Future Free Agent Thread

Luigi · Post #1161 » by **Luigi** » Tue Jun 25, 2019 5:47 pm

Yeah, I don't think we can play Favors more than 28.

Gobert (32) / Favors (16) / min.
Favors (12) / Carroll (28) / Sefolosha (8) / Ninag/ Brantley
Ingles (32) / O'Neale (16) / Oni
Mitcehll (34) / O'Neale (14) / min.
Conley (32) / Exum (16) / Wright-Foreman

Anyone have word on Exum's injury status? How motivated will we be to get a vet point guard on the roster to replace Neto? Or is it possible we bring back Neto for a minimum?

dr0welf · Post #1162 » by **dr0welf** » Tue Jun 25, 2019 9:15 pm

I hope the Exum talk is to bolster his value maybe? If not, sounds like the FO wants to keep Favors and Exum. If that is the case we are what we are. I would guess we target Beverly for backup PG for his defense and experience and we fill the rest the team with min contracts.

I really like Exum but the glass man keeps breaking. Glue can only hold him together for so long.

Daddy 801 · Post #1163 » by **Daddy 801** » Tue Jun 25, 2019 11:24 pm

Crunch 99 wrote:I don't see any evidence that says Harris plays good D. I'd rather keep Favors and Exum than pay Harris a max or near max.

I like Harris as a player on the Jazz. But I won’t be shocked if in 2-3 years this statement pans out to be true. We know we have a top defense with Favs backing up the C spot so it’s probably wise just to see what keeping Favs and adjusting to having a PG who can shoot does for the team. Favs is underrated by all of us at times in this board. I do it sometimes as well. But he is damn good at everything we need besides spacing the floor.

KDBG · Post #1164 » by **KDBG** » Tue Jun 25, 2019 11:29 pm

I've been thinking about it, and now I'm torn. All in on one more star, or get the team solid depth while keeping Favors? It's a tough one.

What would Favors stats look like if Gobert didn't exist? Would he be a borderline all-star? I know his injury history, but try to think about it and compare that to Tobias. Favors is just a year older. I think Favors would be close to 20/10 if he was still featured like he used to.

CAE15 · Post #1165 » by **CAE15** » Tue Jun 25, 2019 11:50 pm

I don't anticipate us using the room MLE on a vet point guard and even if we did.. Beverley would be well out of our price range. DMC for the room mle is a possibility as suggested and really would be one of the best moves we could make. Outside of that getting Tolliver and Corey Brewer on minimum deals would probably be best case. Assuming our rookies look like rookies in summer league

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D Rog · Post #1166 » by **D Rog** » Wed Jun 26, 2019 12:17 am

Daddy 801 wrote:
Crunch 99 wrote:I don't see any evidence that says Harris plays good D. I'd rather keep Favors and Exum than pay Harris a max or near max.

I like Harris as a player on the Jazz. But I won’t be shocked if in 2-3 years this statement pans out to be true. We know we have a top defense with Favs backing up the C spot so it’s probably wise just to see what keeping Favs and adjusting to having a PG who can shoot does for the team. Favs is underrated by all of us at times in this board. I do it sometimes as well. But he is damn good at everything we need besides spacing the floor.

I prefer to keep Favors and unload Exum. Not sure who would be available that could play a 3/4 position and is under 30 years old that would take $10M per year.

CAE15 · Post #1167 » by **CAE15** » Wed Jun 26, 2019 1:40 am

D Rog wrote:
Daddy 801 wrote:
Crunch 99 wrote:I don't see any evidence that says Harris plays good D. I'd rather keep Favors and Exum than pay Harris a max or near max.

I like Harris as a player on the Jazz. But I won’t be shocked if in 2-3 years this statement pans out to be true. We know we have a top defense with Favs backing up the C spot so it’s probably wise just to see what keeping Favs and adjusting to having a PG who can shoot does for the team. Favs is underrated by all of us at times in this board. I do it sometimes as well. But he is damn good at everything we need besides spacing the floor.

I prefer to keep Favors and unload Exum. Not sure who would be available that could play a 3/4 position and is under 30 years old that would take $10M per year.

There isn't one. So prolly best to keep a 23 year old elite defender 1-3.. considering Curry, Harden, Westbrook, PG13, Dame, CJ, Murray, Luka all still play in the west

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AingesBurner · Post #1168 » by **AingesBurner** » Wed Jun 26, 2019 1:58 am

I really think that Exum is our 3 of the future, has the size and speed, doesn’t really have the knack for the 1 but a starting lineup of Conley-Mitchell-Exum-Harris-Gobert is dirty.

Calhamid94 · Post #1169 » by **Calhamid94** » Wed Jun 26, 2019 2:13 am

sipclip wrote:
Calhamid94 wrote:The jazz should have done a sign and trade with Rubio for Sabonis and a pick. We could have gotten some key pieces if we did that with Rubio!
What in the heck are you talking about? No one would do a sign and trade for Rubio.

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Never mind, I thought it worked a different way

dr0welf · Post #1170 » by **dr0welf** » Wed Jun 26, 2019 2:59 am

GobertReport wrote:I really think that Exum is our 3 of the future, has the size and speed, doesn’t really have the knack for the 1 but a starting lineup of Conley-Mitchell-Exum-Harris-Gobert is dirty.

Yes, if you can keep Exum and still get Harris. And if Exum can turn from porcelain to concrete.....

KqWIN · Post #1171 » by **KqWIN** » Wed Jun 26, 2019 3:03 am

So the Rubio S&T got me thinking...Full disclosure. I haven't thought about this a lot, and I'm not sure it's legal. I'm terrible at cap minutiae. What if we sign and trade Ricky Rubio to the Pacers and loop them into the MEM trade as a third team? Indiana signs Rubio and we give them a second or two to be involved in this deal. This would allow us to execute the Conley trade without using cap space, meaning we would get the full non-tax paying MLE and the Bi-Annual exception.

So instead of the room exception for $4.7M, we get a $9.2M exception and a $3.6M exception. It would also allow us to keep Neto without problems. How many seconds would you pay for that privilege?

Luigi · Post #1172 » by **Luigi** » Wed Jun 26, 2019 3:03 am

You guys think Demarre Carroll would take a vet minimum contract to come here, or would it take the room mid level exception?

dr0welf · Post #1173 » by **dr0welf** » Wed Jun 26, 2019 3:05 am

KqWIN wrote:So the Rubio S&T got me thinking...Full disclosure. I haven't thought about this a lot, and I'm not sure it's legal. I'm terrible at cap minutiae. What if we sign and trade Ricky Rubio to the Pacers and loop them into the MEM trade as a third team? Indiana signs Rubio and we give them a second or two to be involved in this deal. This would allow us to execute the Conley trade without using cap space, meaning we would get the full non-tax paying MLE and the Bi-Annual exception.

So instead of the room exception for $4.7M, we get a $9.2M exception and a $3.6M exception. It would also allow us to keep Neto without problems. How many seconds would you pay for that privilege?

I think this is worth considering if they can make it work salary wise

KqWIN · Post #1174 » by **KqWIN** » Wed Jun 26, 2019 3:12 am

dr0welf wrote:
KqWIN wrote:So the Rubio S&T got me thinking...Full disclosure. I haven't thought about this a lot, and I'm not sure it's legal. I'm terrible at cap minutiae. What if we sign and trade Ricky Rubio to the Pacers and loop them into the MEM trade as a third team? Indiana signs Rubio and we give them a second or two to be involved in this deal. This would allow us to execute the Conley trade without using cap space, meaning we would get the full non-tax paying MLE and the Bi-Annual exception.

So instead of the room exception for $4.7M, we get a $9.2M exception and a $3.6M exception. It would also allow us to keep Neto without problems. How many seconds would you pay for that privilege?

I think this is worth considering if they can make it work salary wise

As long as Rubio makes more than $12.3M on his next contract, I believe this is legal. There's no impact for MEM, so you would just have to give IND something for playing along. Give them a free second round pick and call it good. Those exceptions are worth a hell of a lot more than one or even two second round picks.

dr0welf · Post #1175 » by **dr0welf** » Wed Jun 26, 2019 3:26 am

KqWIN wrote:
dr0welf wrote:
KqWIN wrote:So the Rubio S&T got me thinking...Full disclosure. I haven't thought about this a lot, and I'm not sure it's legal. I'm terrible at cap minutiae. What if we sign and trade Ricky Rubio to the Pacers and loop them into the MEM trade as a third team? Indiana signs Rubio and we give them a second or two to be involved in this deal. This would allow us to execute the Conley trade without using cap space, meaning we would get the full non-tax paying MLE and the Bi-Annual exception.

So instead of the room exception for $4.7M, we get a $9.2M exception and a $3.6M exception. It would also allow us to keep Neto without problems. How many seconds would you pay for that privilege?

I think this is worth considering if they can make it work salary wise

As long as Rubio makes more than $12.3M on his next contract, I believe this is legal. There's no impact for MEM, so you would just have to give IND something for playing along. Give them a free second round pick and call it good. Those exceptions are worth a hell of a lot more than one or even two second round picks.

But you have to match the salaries up within 100k as you can't pull any into salary cap. But depending on what the salary needs to be for Rubio to make the deal work and if Indiana and Rubio both agree with that amount I say we do it.

KqWIN · Post #1176 » by **KqWIN** » Wed Jun 26, 2019 3:29 am

dr0welf wrote:
KqWIN wrote:
dr0welf wrote:
I think this is worth considering if they can make it work salary wise

As long as Rubio makes more than $12.3M on his next contract, I believe this is legal. There's no impact for MEM, so you would just have to give IND something for playing along. Give them a free second round pick and call it good. Those exceptions are worth a hell of a lot more than one or even two second round picks.

But you have to match the salaries up within 100k as you can't pull any into salary cap. But depending on what the salary needs to be for Rubio to make the deal work and if Indiana and Rubio both agree with that amount I say we do it.

$12.3M gives us enough outgoing salary. I think he'll actually get more from them, but that is the minimum amount of salary needed to match salaries in the Conley deal without using cap space. From Indy's side, you get a free pick for nothing so might as well.

Calhamid94 · Post #1177 » by **Calhamid94** » Wed Jun 26, 2019 3:42 am

I’m not that good with all the cap and MLE stuff, but I feel like we are more options than we have been discussing. Rubio may not be the perfect fit for our team, but a lot of other teams would love to snatch him up. Can someone tell me if we still hold his rights, or at least have options of doing a sign and trade with him?

dr0welf · Post #1178 » by **dr0welf** » Wed Jun 26, 2019 3:58 am

Calhamid94 wrote:I’m not that good with all the cap and MLE stuff, but I feel like we are more options than we have been discussing. Rubio may not be the perfect fit for our team, but a lot of other teams would love to snatch him up. Can someone tell me if we still hold his rights, or at least have options of doing a sign and trade with him?

We have options with sign and trading him but he would have to agree to it as he can also sign anyones FA offer. It's his choice.

stitches · Post #1179 » by **stitches** » Wed Jun 26, 2019 4:24 am

dr0welf wrote:I hope the Exum talk is to bolster his value maybe? If not, sounds like the FO wants to keep Favors and Exum. If that is the case we are what we are. I would guess we target Beverly for backup PG for his defense and experience and we fill the rest the team with min contracts.

I really like Exum but the glass man keeps breaking. Glue can only hold him together for so long.

We can't afford Beverley. He will get 8 figures most probably.

SoCalJazzFan · Post #1180 » by **SoCalJazzFan** » Wed Jun 26, 2019 4:28 am

KqWIN wrote:So the Rubio S&T got me thinking...Full disclosure. I haven't thought about this a lot, and I'm not sure it's legal. I'm terrible at cap minutiae. What if we sign and trade Ricky Rubio to the Pacers and loop them into the MEM trade as a third team? Indiana signs Rubio and we give them a second or two to be involved in this deal. This would allow us to execute the Conley trade without using cap space, meaning we would get the full non-tax paying MLE and the Bi-Annual exception.

So instead of the room exception for $4.7M, we get a $9.2M exception and a $3.6M exception. It would also allow us to keep Neto without problems. How many seconds would you pay for that privilege?

This might answer the question without having to interpret the CBA
https://www.hoopsrumors.com/2019/06/why-nba-sign-and-trades-are-rare-2.html

Even if all parties are willing, I'm reading the article to mean that the Pacers would have to be willing to pay Ricky 120% of his old salary, or $18M starting salary and the Jazz would only get $7.5M credit, if you will, in the trade.

Moreover, this would have to happen after Conley is brought into cap space, and I believe that the full MLE and BAE would be forfeited due to that transaction.

Admittedly, I'm not 100% sure of any of what I said above.

Edit: is there a prohibition about S&T with more than two teams involved? I'm not sure, but I think that these are very rare for multiple reasons. Now you've got my curiosity piqued.