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Re: Bears 2023 thread V 

Post#1161 » by Dresden » Tue Nov 28, 2023 5:17 pm

MoSalad wrote:I mean if Andrew Luck or Trevor Lawrence was the prize at least it could make sense. Instead we have Drake Maye, Bo Nix, and Caleb Williams.

The thing with Fields is he has measurably improved every season even though we have pretty much been a dumpster fire every season.


I don't get this- Maye and Caleb ARE Trevor Lawrence/Andrew Luck type talents. At least in most analysts/scouts eyes. This is one of the best QB drafts in recent memory and some fans want to say it isn't. Time will tell, but if there was ever to have a top 2 pick in a draft, this is it.
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Re: Bears 2023 thread V 

Post#1162 » by Dresden » Tue Nov 28, 2023 5:25 pm

Yeah, that win really hurts our draft position, but bad teams do luck into wins now and then. We just have to hope it happens to the other bad teams. With our defense playing as well as it has been, if you win the turnover battle you have a decent chance of at least being in the game. We've also lost a couple games we "should" have won, Lions and Broncos. So that stuff evens out after awhile.

On the bright side, our run D is #1 in the league, and we are #3 in interceptions. And we're up to 21st in PPG, so there are 11 teams with offenses actually worse than ours.
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Re: Bears 2023 thread V 

Post#1163 » by Dresden » Tue Nov 28, 2023 5:29 pm

I agree with the idea that you don't JUST need a great QB- you need talent everywhere, like the Niners and Eagles. You can see how the Chiefs offense struggles this year after they've lost some of their big weapons. Mahomes can't do it all.

I'd really like to see the O line become a strength. That makes everyone better- the backs, the QB, the receivers. I would be fine drafting a QB and then taking a tackle with our pick. Or trading down for a late first and a second and using those picks on guard/center. Something like that. I feel like WR's you can find easier late in the draft or develop. For all we know, Tyler Scott may be the next Locket or Aiyuk or Higgins, but we seldom throw him the ball.
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Re: Bears 2023 thread V 

Post#1164 » by panthermark » Tue Nov 28, 2023 5:29 pm

My heart says keep Fields. The problem is that we would likely keep Flus, and maybe Getsy as well.

My head says trade Fields.....and get a new coach and new OC. Draft a QB, and get everyone aligned. That may or may not work.

Something to keep in mind. 3 out of our 4 wins came with a dink and dunk offense, and the D playing lights out. The other win came with Fields throwing all over the place. I have no clue what this teams offensive identity is.
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Re: Bears 2023 thread V 

Post#1165 » by biggestbullsfan » Tue Nov 28, 2023 5:29 pm

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Re: Bears 2023 thread V 

Post#1166 » by othawhitemeat » Tue Nov 28, 2023 5:30 pm

Chi town wrote:WR doesn’t do anything for us when our QB doesn’t throw downfield. That’s not all on Getsy.

We need a QB. Most important position. It’s mostly luck to pick the right one.


Fields can throw the ball and is accurate. He just can't read anything past Moore/Kmet or 3rd reads. I think with right coaching, he could do really well. I would be tempted if we can improve our oline to get someone like Bo Nix.
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Re: Bears 2023 thread V 

Post#1167 » by panthermark » Tue Nov 28, 2023 5:40 pm

WOW,
Just heard a quote on ESPN about the Steelers/Pickett. It fits the Bears perfectly.

They said the Steelers were running PLAYS before. Now they are running an OFFENSE. The plays build upon one another. They are forcing the defense to react, and are anticipating that reaction. They are a run heavy team that wants to attack the space between the safeties and the LB's. Not simply run the ball (so the LB's don't worry about passes), and the only throw to the outside (so the DB's don't worry about stopping the run). Sound familiar?

That sure sounds like the here. Getsy runs plays, not an offense.
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Re: Bears 2023 thread V 

Post#1168 » by Betta Bulleavit » Tue Nov 28, 2023 5:43 pm

Chi town wrote:WR doesn’t do anything for us when our QB doesn’t throw downfield. That’s not all on Getsy.

We need a QB. Most important position. It’s mostly luck to pick the right one.

Where do you get the ideas that Fields can’t/doesn’t throw the ball downfield? While it may not have been evident last night, that was more by design. The Vikings like to blitz. The best way to attack that is with quick and short passes. But Fields can (and has) thrown the ball downfield and has done so with a fair amount of accuracy. Now, is he doing it quickly enough?? That’s a different topic.
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Re: Bears 2023 thread V 

Post#1169 » by othawhitemeat » Tue Nov 28, 2023 5:51 pm

Dresden wrote:I agree with the idea that you don't JUST need a great QB- you need talent everywhere, like the Niners and Eagles. You can see how the Chiefs offense struggles this year after they've lost some of their big weapons. Mahomes can't do it all.

I'd really like to see the O line become a strength. That makes everyone better- the backs, the QB, the receivers. I would be fine drafting a QB and then taking a tackle with our pick. Or trading down for a late first and a second and using those picks on guard/center. Something like that. I feel like WR's you can find easier late in the draft or develop. For all we know, Tyler Scott may be the next Locket or Aiyuk or Higgins, but we seldom throw him the ball.


I think the Bears can build that if they want in this current draft if we get a real fball person overlooking our next offseason. If you told me Fields would still be questionable, I would have been elated a few months ago to have a chance to draft Caleb Williams, but he just seems to lack toughness and consistency this year which is wrong position to lack toughness. If we get the #1, I'm trading it to a team like the Redskins or Bucs if they are willing to give me a young piece - for example, the Bucs, they can give me their #1, Wirfs or Kancey at DT., and another pick, I'm jumping on board and then drafting someone like Bo Nix. With our pick, I'm drafting Alt, Bowers, or Newton and building up our Oline, Dline, or another dynamic playmaker. We get a 2nd from Bucs, and I'm drafting center from Georgia. Sign someone as a guard backup, etc...
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Re: Bears 2023 thread V 

Post#1170 » by fleet » Tue Nov 28, 2023 6:04 pm

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Dresden wrote:I agree with the idea that you don't JUST need a great QB- you need talent everywhere, like the Niners and Eagles. You can see how the Chiefs offense struggles this year after they've lost some of their big weapons. Mahomes can't do it all.

I'd really like to see the O line become a strength. That makes everyone better- the backs, the QB, the receivers. I would be fine drafting a QB and then taking a tackle with our pick. Or trading down for a late first and a second and using those picks on guard/center. Something like that. I feel like WR's you can find easier late in the draft or develop. For all we know, Tyler Scott may be the next Locket or Aiyuk or Higgins, but we seldom throw him the ball.


I think the Bears can build that if they want in this current draft if we get a real fball person overlooking our next offseason. If you told me Fields would still be questionable, I would have been elated a few months ago to have a chance to draft Caleb Williams, but he just seems to lack toughness and consistency this year which is wrong position to lack toughness. If we get the #1, I'm trading it to a team like the Redskins or Bucs if they are willing to give me a young piece - for example, the Bucs, they can give me their #1, Wirfs or Kancey at DT., and another pick, I'm jumping on board and then drafting someone like Bo Nix. With our pick, I'm drafting Alt, Bowers, or Newton and building up our Oline, Dline, or another dynamic playmaker. We get a 2nd from Bucs, and I'm drafting center from Georgia. Sign someone as a guard backup, etc...

He has better completion percentage, a slightly higher rating, and more YPC this year than last year when he was celebrated as the GOAT. Total yards are down, because # of drops are down. It seems like there is classic paralysis by analysis going on with him. The more these guys are stared at, the more people look for flaws instead of strengths. He’s been on the radar too long.

https://www.espn.com/college-football/player/_/id/4431611/caleb-williams
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Re: Bears 2023 thread V 

Post#1171 » by IliketheBullsNBearstoo » Tue Nov 28, 2023 6:28 pm

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othawhitemeat wrote:
Dresden wrote:I agree with the idea that you don't JUST need a great QB- you need talent everywhere, like the Niners and Eagles. You can see how the Chiefs offense struggles this year after they've lost some of their big weapons. Mahomes can't do it all.

I'd really like to see the O line become a strength. That makes everyone better- the backs, the QB, the receivers. I would be fine drafting a QB and then taking a tackle with our pick. Or trading down for a late first and a second and using those picks on guard/center. Something like that. I feel like WR's you can find easier late in the draft or develop. For all we know, Tyler Scott may be the next Locket or Aiyuk or Higgins, but we seldom throw him the ball.


I think the Bears can build that if they want in this current draft if we get a real fball person overlooking our next offseason. If you told me Fields would still be questionable, I would have been elated a few months ago to have a chance to draft Caleb Williams, but he just seems to lack toughness and consistency this year which is wrong position to lack toughness. If we get the #1, I'm trading it to a team like the Redskins or Bucs if they are willing to give me a young piece - for example, the Bucs, they can give me their #1, Wirfs or Kancey at DT., and another pick, I'm jumping on board and then drafting someone like Bo Nix. With our pick, I'm drafting Alt, Bowers, or Newton and building up our Oline, Dline, or another dynamic playmaker. We get a 2nd from Bucs, and I'm drafting center from Georgia. Sign someone as a guard backup, etc...

He has better completion percentage, a slightly higher rating, and more YPC this year than last year when he was celebrated as the GOAT. Total yards are down, because # of drops are down. It seems like there is classic paralysis by analysis going on with him. The more these guys are stared at, the more people look for flaws instead of strengths. He’s been on the radar too long.

https://www.espn.com/college-football/player/_/id/4431611/caleb-williams


You do the same thing with Fields.

But I mean shouldn't we be trying to find flaws in these guys before we pick one? Or should we just watch highlights of the players and make our choice that way?
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Re: Bears 2023 thread V 

Post#1172 » by Dresden » Tue Nov 28, 2023 6:35 pm

What I see is the big difference between Maye/Caleb and Fields is that those two guys can see the field. They are both elusive, Caleb more so, and when they leave the pocket, they are able to find guys downfield, often for big gains. And they both have the arm strength and accuracy needed to make those throws. Fields, from what I've seen, just rarely is able to find guys when he's scrambling. So it ends up being a sack or him running for a few yards, or an incompletion.
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Re: Bears 2023 thread V 

Post#1173 » by NZB2323 » Tue Nov 28, 2023 6:35 pm

panthermark wrote:WOW,
Just heard a quote on ESPN about the Steelers/Pickett. It fits the Bears perfectly.

They said the Steelers were running PLAYS before. Now they are running an OFFENSE. The plays build upon one another. They are forcing the defense to react, and are anticipating that reaction. They are a run heavy team that wants to attack the space between the safeties and the LB's. Not simply run the ball (so the LB's don't worry about passes), and the only throw to the outside (so the DB's don't worry about stopping the run). Sound familiar?

That sure sounds like the here. Getsy runs plays, not an offense.


Yes. There’s the game where the screen pass was intercepted and the defensive player said he knew we were going to run that play because of our formation and we had just ran it. The same thing almost happened last night, with a pass behind the line of scrimmage. We ran the same play 2 plays in a row and the defense knew exactly what we were going to do.
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Re: Bears 2023 thread V 

Post#1174 » by nitetrain8603 » Tue Nov 28, 2023 6:44 pm

panthermark wrote:WOW,
Just heard a quote on ESPN about the Steelers/Pickett. It fits the Bears perfectly.

They said the Steelers were running PLAYS before. Now they are running an OFFENSE. The plays build upon one another. They are forcing the defense to react, and are anticipating that reaction. They are a run heavy team that wants to attack the space between the safeties and the LB's. Not simply run the ball (so the LB's don't worry about passes), and the only throw to the outside (so the DB's don't worry about stopping the run). Sound familiar?

That sure sounds like the here. Getsy runs plays, not an offense.


I agree with that. Getsy really doesn't look at context, seemingly, when play calling. Hence, he'll call the same HB Draw from a shotgun formation on 2nd and 3rd and long as if it's going to fool the defense. With that stated, Fields doesn't push the ball down the field as he should. That's not all on Getsy.

He still misses receivers a bunch. What I will say, since he came back a few games ago, is that he's being more confident in the pocket, and he's extending his pocket, keeping his eyes towards receivers while running until he's past that line of scrimmage. He most definitely improved on that.

Problem is, Fields has been in the league long enough and while he's shown some improvement, in the grand scheme of things, he still has huge gaps in his game. Massive gaps. The best you could ever hope for is turning your offense into a one read and go type offense; he looks down field, if the shot is there, just throw it up, or take off. That's not going to be a winning formula though.
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Re: Bears 2023 thread V 

Post#1175 » by dice » Tue Nov 28, 2023 6:51 pm

commanders now slight favs over bears for #5 pick
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Re: Bears 2023 thread V 

Post#1176 » by HoopsterJones » Tue Nov 28, 2023 6:56 pm

dice wrote:commanders now slight favs over bears for #5 pick


Commanders have maybe 2 winnable games unless DAL rests their 1st string players for the last game of the season.

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Re: Bears 2023 thread V 

Post#1177 » by MalagaBulls » Tue Nov 28, 2023 7:16 pm

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Post#1178 » by HoopsterJones » Tue Nov 28, 2023 7:28 pm

MalagaBulls wrote:Sweat factor:

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Re: Bears 2023 thread V 

Post#1179 » by fleet » Tue Nov 28, 2023 7:30 pm

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othawhitemeat wrote:
I think the Bears can build that if they want in this current draft if we get a real fball person overlooking our next offseason. If you told me Fields would still be questionable, I would have been elated a few months ago to have a chance to draft Caleb Williams, but he just seems to lack toughness and consistency this year which is wrong position to lack toughness. If we get the #1, I'm trading it to a team like the Redskins or Bucs if they are willing to give me a young piece - for example, the Bucs, they can give me their #1, Wirfs or Kancey at DT., and another pick, I'm jumping on board and then drafting someone like Bo Nix. With our pick, I'm drafting Alt, Bowers, or Newton and building up our Oline, Dline, or another dynamic playmaker. We get a 2nd from Bucs, and I'm drafting center from Georgia. Sign someone as a guard backup, etc...

He has better completion percentage, a slightly higher rating, and more YPC this year than last year when he was celebrated as the GOAT. Total yards are down, because # of drops are down. It seems like there is classic paralysis by analysis going on with him. The more these guys are stared at, the more people look for flaws instead of strengths. He’s been on the radar too long.

https://www.espn.com/college-football/player/_/id/4431611/caleb-williams


You do the same thing with Fields.

But I mean shouldn't we be trying to find flaws in these guys before we pick one? Or should we just watch highlights of the players and make our choice that way?


Are you disputing any of the Caleb Williams criticisms based on defensiveness over Fields “haters” observations? Seems like you are, but then you aren’t. You might ask your pointed questions about the case of the Bears quarterback.
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Re: Bears 2023 thread V 

Post#1180 » by Almost Retired » Tue Nov 28, 2023 7:34 pm

Chicago-Bull-E wrote:There is no way these coordinators are this stupid


Yes, yes there is a way.

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