State Of Cowboys Union; Today And The last 30 years. Where do the Cowboys have it all wrong and where is it going?

[bluejerseyjinx]

That's not true. There are definitely teams who don't value the Guard position in that way. Seattle being one of them.

$18-$20m seems to be the going rate. But he got $3m more than the highest paid ($21m). Which resets the market.

Guess you never saw this.
https://www.nfl.com/news/trey-smith-chiefs-finalizing-record-extension-to-make-him-highest-paid-guard-in-nfl

Still doesn't change my stance.

Why are you choosing to pay that much for a guard?

They follow their cult leader. He can do no wrong.

[Mariner]

That's not true. There are definitely teams who don't value the Guard position in that way. Seattle being one of them.

$18-$20m seems to be the going rate. But he got $3m more than the highest paid ($21m). Which resets the market.

Guess you never saw this.
https://www.nfl.com/news/trey-smith-chiefs-finalizing-record-extension-to-make-him-highest-paid-guard-in-nfl

Still doesn't change my stance.

Why are you choosing to pay that much for a guard?

It’s the going rate. Inflation is crazy. lol
I’m sorry if paying 500 thousand more a year is radically resetting the market.

[QB_Eagles]

2024 was another good year. Followed it up with a pro bowl nod.
Thanks for adding to my argument

Mac Jones is a Pro Bowl QB.

12 guards got an All-Pro vote in 2024, but Smith got none.

The body of work is what counts.
What contract would you have offered him?
Give me some numbers.

If he was a Top 5 guard, it would be the market rate, I just don't think he is. But let's say he's 6th-10th, then individually it isn't even a bad contract, but Jerry has now done this multiple times at different positions while trading away a player who actually is Top 5. I don't believe that's the way to build a championship roster.

[Mariner]

Mac Jones is a Pro Bowl QB.

12 guards got an All-Pro vote in 2024, but Smith got none.

The body of work is what counts.
What contract would you have offered him?
Give me some numbers.

If he was a Top 5 guard, it would be the market rate, I just don't think he is. But let's say he's 6th-10th, then individually it isn't even a bad contract, but Jerry has now done this multiple times at different positions while trading away a player who actually is Top 5. I just don't think that's the way to build a championship roster.

You didn’t answer my question.
Give me some numbers.
He’s still young. Teams should pay for what you’re going to do. Not just what you did.

[Mr B]

I like the signing. The Cowboys have always prided themselves on having a good OL. He’s young, good, and getting better. He’s the type of player that should be signed long term.

I don’t expect everyone to understand that. Not every team puts as much stock in to the OL as Dallas does.

[bluejerseyjinx]

I like the signing. The Cowboys have always prided themselves on having a good OL. He’s young, good, and getting better. He’s the type of player that should be signed long term.

I don’t expect everyone to understand that. Not every team puts as much stock in to the OL as Dallas does.

I think the Egal trolls are just looking for some attention.

[El Turco]

I like the signing. The Cowboys have always prided themselves on having a good OL. He’s young, good, and getting better. He’s the type of player that should be signed long term.

I don’t expect everyone to understand that. Not every team puts as much stock in to the OL as Dallas does.

I like that they emphasize Oline but this is a guard we are talking about, bit much when you have so many other holes.

[QB_Eagles]

The body of work is what counts.
What contract would you have offered him?
Give me some numbers.

If he was a Top 5 guard, it would be the market rate, I just don't think he is. But let's say he's 6th-10th, then individually it isn't even a bad contract, but Jerry has now done this multiple times at different positions while trading away a player who actually is Top 5. I just don't think that's the way to build a championship roster.

You didn’t answer my question.
Give me some numbers.
He’s still young. Teams should pay for what you’re going to do. Not just what you did.

Are you asking me what I think a fair payment would be? That question is pointless because those aren't the circumstances under which this deal was made. Maybe without the Micah trade the deal doesn't get made.

Even debating to which degree it is an overpay is kinda pointless, because an overpay by itself wouldn't really be a problem... if the rest of the team was built differently.

[QB_Eagles]

I like the signing. The Cowboys have always prided themselves on having a good OL. He’s young, good, and getting better. He’s the type of player that should be signed long term.

I don’t expect everyone to understand that. Not every team puts as much stock in to the OL as Dallas does.

I think the Egal trolls are just looking for some attention.

You're the only in here trolling, calling your fellow Cowboys fans mindless cult followers.

But the person you insulted liked your post, so I guess maybe I should just leave and let the pro- and anti-Jerry Cowboys fans talk among themselves.

[Mr B]

I like the signing. The Cowboys have always prided themselves on having a good OL. He’s young, good, and getting better. He’s the type of player that should be signed long term.

I don’t expect everyone to understand that. Not every team puts as much stock in to the OL as Dallas does.

I like that they emphasize Oline but this is a guard we are talking about, bit much when you have so many other holes.

Again, I don’t expect everyone to understand.

[Mariner]

If he was a Top 5 guard, it would be the market rate, I just don't think he is. But let's say he's 6th-10th, then individually it isn't even a bad contract, but Jerry has now done this multiple times at different positions while trading away a player who actually is Top 5. I just don't think that's the way to build a championship roster.

You didn’t answer my question.
Give me some numbers.
He’s still young. Teams should pay for what you’re going to do. Not just what you did.

Are you asking me what I think a fair payment would be? That question is pointless because those aren't the circumstances under which this deal was made. Maybe without the Micah trade the deal doesn't get made.

Even debating to which degree it is an overpay is kinda pointless, because an overpay by itself wouldn't really be a problem... if the rest of the team was built differently.

If someone is going to claim that a contract is an overpay I think it’s fair to ask what would have been fair.

[QB_Eagles]

You didn’t answer my question.
Give me some numbers.
He’s still young. Teams should pay for what you’re going to do. Not just what you did.

Are you asking me what I think a fair payment would be? That question is pointless because those aren't the circumstances under which this deal was made. Maybe without the Micah trade the deal doesn't get made.

Even debating to which degree it is an overpay is kinda pointless, because an overpay by itself wouldn't really be a problem... if the rest of the team was built differently.

If someone is going to claim that a contract is an overpay I think it’s fair to ask what would have been fair.

OK, whatever... $17.5M/year.

[El Turco]

I like the signing. The Cowboys have always prided themselves on having a good OL. He’s young, good, and getting better. He’s the type of player that should be signed long term.

I don’t expect everyone to understand that. Not every team puts as much stock in to the OL as Dallas does.

I like that they emphasize Oline but this is a guard we are talking about, bit much when you have so many other holes.

Again, I don’t expect everyone to understand.

Yeah difficult to understand the genius of Jerry

[Jaydubb]

I like the signing. The Cowboys have always prided themselves on having a good OL. He’s young, good, and getting better. He’s the type of player that should be signed long term.

I don’t expect everyone to understand that. Not every team puts as much stock in to the OL as Dallas does.

I think the Egal trolls are just looking for some attention.

How would you know if you blocked all of us

[QB_Eagles]

I like the signing. The Cowboys have always prided themselves on having a good OL. He’s young, good, and getting better. He’s the type of player that should be signed long term.

I don’t expect everyone to understand that. Not every team puts as much stock in to the OL as Dallas does.

I think the Egal trolls are just looking for some attention.

How would you know if you blocked all of us

He still reads our posts, he just needs to click an extra button to do so. Makes it more special, like opening a present every time.

That also why he derails every thread by complaining about supposed derailers, pretending he doesn't read the "ignored" comments.

[Mariner]

Are you asking me what I think a fair payment would be? That question is pointless because those aren't the circumstances under which this deal was made. Maybe without the Micah trade the deal doesn't get made.

Even debating to which degree it is an overpay is kinda pointless, because an overpay by itself wouldn't really be a problem... if the rest of the team was built differently.

If someone is going to claim that a contract is an overpay I think it’s fair to ask what would have been fair.

OK, whatever... $17.5M/year.

His 5th year option was 21.27 million.
The cowboys should have signed him to almost 4 million a year less than that?
Was never going to happen.

[QB_Eagles]

If someone is going to claim that a contract is an overpay I think it’s fair to ask what would have been fair.

OK, whatever... $17.5M/year.

His 5th year option was 21.27 million.
The cowboys should have signed him to almost 4 million a year less than that?
Was never going to happen.

That's why I said it's pointless to even talk about specific numbers. He wouldn't have signed that.

But better guards are playing on $20 mil/year.

[Mariner]

OK, whatever... $17.5M/year.

His 5th year option was 21.27 million.
The cowboys should have signed him to almost 4 million a year less than that?
Was never going to happen.

That's why I said it's pointless to even talk about specific numbers. He wouldn't have signed that.

But better guards are playing on $20 mil/year.

You have to account for inflation.
Nelson is making 20 million but signed in 2022.
We can revisit this after Tyler Smith has another great year. ( hope I didn’t jinx him into getting injured) lol

[bluejerseyjinx]

His 5th year option was 21.27 million.
The cowboys should have signed him to almost 4 million a year less than that?
Was never going to happen.

That's why I said it's pointless to even talk about specific numbers. He wouldn't have signed that.

But better guards are playing on $20 mil/year.

You have to account for inflation.
Nelson is making 20 million but signed in 2022.
We can revisit this after Tyler Smith has another great year. ( hope I didn’t jinx him into getting injured) lol

In the meantime the Egal trolls will find something else to troll you on. They are very lonely posters you know. So lonely. But love all things Cowboys. Go figure.

[Jaydubb]

I don’t have a problem with the Tyler smith extension, I think one of the most important things in football is keeping the OL together and securing good young players. I think smith is a very good player, but I’m not sure he’s one of the best in football, but he’s also still super young, just 24. I’d say the youth factor plays a role.

That being said, I’ll go back to the original thing I said about Micah. He’s a generational type of player, and these kind of players you just do whatever it takes to keep them on your roster. Daron bland, Jake ferguson, and now Tyler smith have all gotten massive extensions since the Micah parsons trade. Again, if you need to trade one or more of these guys to keep Micah then you do it. The other guys can be replaced, a guy like Micah can’t be replaced.