Official Trade Thread XIV: 6/14/10 - 12/22/10

[LyricalRico]

I hear the rumor but then I also read stuff like this.

http://voices.washingtonpost.com/dcspor ... g_any.html

Yeah, but that was before Gil started going "VC in Toronto" on the floor and showed clearly by his recent comments that he still accepts zero responsibility for his actions off the court. Ted can't change his mind when he gets additional information?

[Ruzious]

Crazy stuff, but if Arenas is playing tonight sounds like the media jumped the gun. Obviously will happen soon at this point.....but these types of rumors sometimes linger until the trade deadline.

If anything we just became more of a circus.

And I think a lot of the fans here are fooling themselves. If we get back Carter and then buy him out (seems likely to me at least....Lewis makes no sense Carter does if we want to shed salary), we will have gone from starting lineup of Arenas/Jamison/Haywood/Miller/Butler last year to this tonight......Wall/Hinrich/Thornton/Blatche/Armstrong. Ouch.

If we're going this route, we need to jettison Hinrich/Armstrong/Thornton/Howard as well. No reason for them to be around. Just run with:

Wall/Young/Booker/Blatche/Seraphin

Horrible team, and Wall will undoubtedly be frustrated when asked to improve his jumper so quickly, but that's rebuilding through youth. Leonsis can't let Saunders march out Howard/Hinrich/Thornton/Yi/Armstromg combos all year I would hope.

Did McGee get traded without anyone telling me?

If Carter comes here, I wouldn't assume he'll get bought out. The starters don't get all the minutes - as they seem to in all of your scenarios. Howard will likely get most of the minutes that Thornton's been getting and push Thornton to the back of the bench. Armstrong won't play if everyone's healthy.

[Hoopalotta]

stevekylerNBA Sources say Magic still talking to several teams and that Washington talk is one part of bigger Magic deal...

stevekylerNBA Sources say chemistry between [Magic] players has not been the same since finger pointing in Portland and Utah.. trust between certain guys is lost.

stevekylerNBA Dwight Howard according to sources vented pretty aggressively at both Stan Van Gundy and Otis Smith, urging change.

Last one.

[kirubel94]

Gil has gave everything to this franchise, if it wasnt for his injuries/biopolar incidents , he still could have been one of the best players in the nba, i love gil, but its just not working, he wants to win , we want to rebuild , we need to trade him.

[507Mack]

The more I think about it, I really wouldn't mind Shard coming here. He is an upgrade over any 3 that we have right now, and can play some 4. Right now in Orlando he has been relegated to being a spot up 3-point shooter bc Dwight Howard needs his touches and controls the paint. I remember when Shard came in here with the Sonics and went 11-11 from the field or something crazy- all in the post. The Van Gundy system has made him one-dimensional.

I'm finally ready for a deal to get Arenas out of Washington, only I'm scared about the prospect of two things:

1) We will see more Kirk Hinrich, who I hate with the burning passion of 1000 suns
2) People were worried about Arenas being a "bad influence" on Wall. I feel like Vince Carter's lack of heart would be WAY more destructive.

However, Nick Young is on my fantasty team, and he could easily average 23+ PPG.....

[Induveca]

Ruz if it wasn't obvious to you McGee is benched/in Saunders doghouse......he made that crystal clear to everyone.

[Chocolate City Jordanaire]

If the Magic are still in talks for Hedon't and Richardson, it could be that the gun has been way kinds of jumped on the Gil trade talk. The Gortat Carter package has been speculated on as the means of that Phoenix deal, but you have to think they wouldn't rock the boat any more if they went in with that.

Yep.

The other rumored players of interest change the whole equation and locus of possible outcomes.

If true, I would say Hedo back to ORL is what ends up going down. He got them to the finals and SVG knows how to use him. PHO would love to get Vince/Gortat/ Duhon.

Gil might be going anywhere.

[Jimmy Recard]

You will see the return of the Hibachi in Orlando. As some have suspected here (and it appears obvious) Gil is mailing it in, rarely taking it to the hole. Gil will want to make a big splash wherever he lands.

Isn't is funny how Gilbert had arguably his best game of the season against Orlando? Seemed like he had a spring back in his step and was taking it the hole with regularity. Attempted 14 FT's too, his most of the season.

[dopeismarcus]

Lewis And Carter Going To Washington For Arenas?

The Magic and Wizards are discussing a potential Gilbert Arenas trade and reports indicate the Orlando may send both Vince Carter and Rashard Lewis to Washington in a deal.

A source advised that including Carter and Lewis in the trade is "being discussed."

If the Magic include Lewis, the NBA's second-highest paid player, it would be a clear indication that Orlando is looking to cut salary.

Lewis and Carter combine to earn more than $37 million this season, so the Wizards would have to include more than just Arenas and his $17.7 million contract in a trade.


Read more: http://basketball.realgm.com/src_wireta ... z18U2Nrbl8

[Chocolate City Jordanaire]

Ruz if it wasn't obvious to you McGee is benched/in Saunders doghouse......he made that crystal clear to everyone.

I have been so trying to let it go ...

Ruz, wouldn't shock me if this coach gets Javale traded like Ben Wallace was for the great Ike Austin. Flip has denigrated and benched the team's most or second-most improved player with humiliation.

Back to Arenas. .... (deep breath, letting that go)

[Induveca]

Crazy stuff, but if Arenas is playing tonight sounds like the media jumped the gun. Obviously will happen soon at this point.....but these types of rumors sometimes linger until the trade deadline.

If anything we just became more of a circus.

And I think a lot of the fans here are fooling themselves. If we get back Carter and then buy him out (seems likely to me at least....Lewis makes no sense Carter does if we want to shed salary), we will have gone from starting lineup of Arenas/Jamison/Haywood/Miller/Butler last year to this tonight......Wall/Hinrich/Thornton/Blatche/Armstrong. Ouch.

If we're going this route, we need to jettison Hinrich/Armstrong/Thornton/Howard as well. No reason for them to be around. Just run with:

Wall/Young/Booker/Blatche/Seraphin

Horrible team, and Wall will undoubtedly be frustrated when asked to improve his jumper so quickly, but that's rebuilding through youth. Leonsis can't let Saunders march out Howard/Hinrich/Thornton/Yi/Armstromg combos all year I would hope.

Did McGee get traded without anyone telling me?

If Carter comes here, I wouldn't assume he'll get bought out. The starters don't get all the minutes - as they seem to in all of your scenarios. Howard will likely get most of the minutes that Thornton's been getting and push Thornton to the back of the bench. Armstrong won't play if everyone's healthy.

True we can lean on our deep and experienced bench to really change the tempo. I just can't get hyped up watching our squad go back to our perpetual 15 year rebuild. We would be hard pressed to win NBDL games with this lineup with Arenas gone.

That's called reality. We are all saying the same thing regardless, our team is back to 1999 levels outside of the potential of Wall. I'm a fan, but I cheer for wins and competition. When neither is possible, I'll point out reality........

And in no way do I think Arenas was a difference maker this year. I just would have preferred to bring in talent as opposed to shipping it out. I'm not a fan of the tanking strategy. The Wiz and Clippers have been doing it for most of 20 years with no success.

[no D in Hibachi]

Gil has gave everything to this franchise, if it wasnt for his injuries/biopolar incidents , he still could have been one of the best players in the nba, i love gil, but its just not working, he wants to win , we want to rebuild , we need to trade him.

Gil has also taken everything from this franchise. I love Gil as much as the next guy...favorite Wiz of all time and I can't tell you how much I wanted to watch his revival tour this season with Wall, a developed McGee, and continued development of Blatche. However, Wall is Larry Hughes part two, Blatche regressed terribly, and McGee is an airhead. It really is a shame but this era must end. Some how, and surpisingly, the last man standing is EG, the architect of this mess.

[Benjammin]

I think the most likely and realistic scenario is that Arenas is dealt for Lewis and maybe a little sweetener. Then Orlando uses Vince Carter's contract and Gortat to get another piece. I'd much prefer Carter because after this season he can be bought out for 4 million, but I don't see Orlando willing to do that. I think Lewis will not be a happy camper if he comes to the Wizards. Even with Orlando he looks uninterested at times. Wait until he comes to a team that cannot win a single game on the road.

The writing is on the wall. We're tanking this year. Between our roster and injuries, you don't have to tank actively. It's just another long, losing season. Only if guys like Wall, McGee, Blatche, Seraphin and Booker put it together will it have any redeeming qualities. Also watching to see if somehow Nick Young can keep us this level of offensive play.

[kirubel94]

Otis Smith said the talks about Arenas are at an "8 out of 10" in terms of aggressiveness. But "nothing is imminent". Right.

the means about 80% of chance. good enough

[Chocolate City Jordanaire]

I think over the years as consistently as injuries have plagued the Wizards, so have almost all trades favored opponents and shafted Washington. The fifth pick and no Stephen Curry or rights to Rubio for the great honor of having Foye and Miller was pretty typical.

Not to panic or be an alarmist but come to think of it Flip would throw McGee in to an Arenas deal if he had some input in the trade talks. And Flip would get back a veteran with not much game, too.

[Bickerstaff]

I'm not a fan of the tanking strategy. The Wiz and Clippers have been doing it for most of 20 years with no success.

This is hugely inaccurate. The Bullets/Wizards problem was always that they kept trying to put together vaguely competitive teams with no real eye to the future. It's beyond clear that a new strategy is in place.

[willbcocks]

Not to panic or be an alarmist but come to think of it Flip would throw McGee in to an Arenas deal if he had some input in the trade talks. And Flip would get back a veteran with not much game, too.

[Ruzious]

Crazy stuff, but if Arenas is playing tonight sounds like the media jumped the gun. Obviously will happen soon at this point.....but these types of rumors sometimes linger until the trade deadline.

If anything we just became more of a circus.

And I think a lot of the fans here are fooling themselves. If we get back Carter and then buy him out (seems likely to me at least....Lewis makes no sense Carter does if we want to shed salary), we will have gone from starting lineup of Arenas/Jamison/Haywood/Miller/Butler last year to this tonight......Wall/Hinrich/Thornton/Blatche/Armstrong. Ouch.

If we're going this route, we need to jettison Hinrich/Armstrong/Thornton/Howard as well. No reason for them to be around. Just run with:

Wall/Young/Booker/Blatche/Seraphin

Horrible team, and Wall will undoubtedly be frustrated when asked to improve his jumper so quickly, but that's rebuilding through youth. Leonsis can't let Saunders march out Howard/Hinrich/Thornton/Yi/Armstromg combos all year I would hope.

Did McGee get traded without anyone telling me?

If Carter comes here, I wouldn't assume he'll get bought out. The starters don't get all the minutes - as they seem to in all of your scenarios. Howard will likely get most of the minutes that Thornton's been getting and push Thornton to the back of the bench. Armstrong won't play if everyone's healthy.

True we can lean on our deep and experienced bench to really change the tempo. I just can't get hyped up watching our squad go back to our perpetual 15 year rebuild. We would be hard pressed to win NBDL games with this lineup with Arenas gone.

That's called reality. We are all saying the same thing regardless, our team is back to 1999 levels outside of the potential of Wall. I'm a fan, but I cheer for wins and competition. When neither is possible, I'll point out reality........

And in no way do I think Arenas was a difference maker this year. I just would have preferred to bring in talent as opposed to shipping it out. I'm not a fan of the tanking strategy. The Wiz and Clippers have been doing it for most of 20 years with no success.

What is reality to you with Arenas on the team?

[no D in Hibachi]

Lewis And Carter Going To Washington For Arenas?

Lewis and Carter combine to earn more than $37 million this season, so the Wizards would have to include more than just Arenas and his $17.7 million contract in a trade.

This makes a Carter + Shart for Arenas trade impossible unless the Wiz include Yi, Howard, and Blatche. I just can't see EG being that senseless. Sure Blatche has regressed, but what is benefit for the Wiz in making that trade?

[Bickerstaff]

I think over the years as consistently as injuries have plagued the Wizards, so have almost all trades favored opponents and shafted Washington. The fifth pick and no Stephen Curry or rights to Rubio for the great honor of having Foye and Miller was pretty typical.

Not to panic or be an alarmist but come to think of it Flip would throw McGee in to an Arenas deal if he had some input in the trade talks. And Flip would get back a veteran with not much game, too.

You're an idiot. Coaches bench underperforming players ALL THE TIME, not out of hatred, but to motivate them. People have been whining about McGee not playing 48 minutes a game for a couple years now, but it seems like playing off the bench has worked pretty well to revitalize him multiple times. I'm pretty sure Flip just wants him to play the game right and not like the spastic child he tends to regress to. BE PATIENT!