Official #2 Pick Thread - Ford #7: Parker

DanoMac · Post #1181 » by **DanoMac** » Thu Jun 5, 2014 8:12 pm

SupremeHustle wrote:
DocHoliday wrote:

The dude in the background who puts his arms on his hips is like "WTF?!"

Lmao. "well wouldja take a look at that!"

Profound23 · Post #1182 » by **Profound23** » Thu Jun 5, 2014 8:16 pm

I have been saying forever that we need to do WHATEVER it takes to move up and take Levine.

I would give up anything short of Giannis and the #2 pick to draft Levine.

The problem is now people are starting to see what I have been saying all year and he will probably vault up to a top 5 pick like Westbrook did in 2008.

Whiteman · Post #1183 » by **Whiteman** » Thu Jun 5, 2014 8:18 pm

buckboy wrote:
DocHoliday wrote:

Jesus Christmas.

Yes please.

I've rarely seen opinions so divided on a player.
From Deanondraft:

If there is any statistical signal that the guy is good at basketball, I have yet to find it. His creation stats, his assist rate, and his steal rate are all bad. Perhaps he could have done more with more ball handling responsibilities, but I am highly skeptical of the narrative that he has superstar upside. In all likelihood the guy is not good enough at basketball to be a useful NBA player.

His scouting video on DraftExpress felt extremely negative too - even when listing his strengths they talk about his weaknesses.

Badgerlander · Post #1184 » by **Badgerlander** » Thu Jun 5, 2014 8:22 pm

Whiteman wrote:I've rarely seen opinions so divided on a player.
From Deanondraft:
If there is any statistical signal that the guy is good at basketball, I have yet to find it. His creation stats, his assist rate, and his steal rate are all bad. Perhaps he could have done more with more ball handling responsibilities, but I am highly skeptical of the narrative that he has superstar upside. In all likelihood the guy is not good enough at basketball to be a useful NBA player.

His scouting video on DraftExpress felt extremely negative too - even when listing his strengths they talk about his weaknesses.

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Baddy Chuck · Post #1185 » by **Baddy Chuck** » Thu Jun 5, 2014 8:22 pm

LaVine's got a lot of Austin Rivers in him.

Badgerlander · Post #1186 » by **Badgerlander** » Thu Jun 5, 2014 8:27 pm

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Baddy Chuck · Post #1187 » by **Baddy Chuck** » Thu Jun 5, 2014 8:53 pm

Profound23 wrote:The problem is now people are starting to see what I have been saying all year and he will probably vault up to a top 5 pick like Westbrook did in 2008.

I don't think you'll have to worry about this at all....

sidney lanier · Post #1188 » by **sidney lanier** » Thu Jun 5, 2014 8:55 pm

M-C-G wrote:This board will be debating finger dexterity as it relates to inbound passing and tip offs before the draft gets here...I literally think everything else has been debated to death.

And your point?

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TroyD92 · Post #1189 » by **TroyD92** » Thu Jun 5, 2014 9:03 pm

I don't understand the Lavine thing. Especially when it's people opposed to Wiggins who want him. He's essentially everything you hate about Wiggins except 10x worse.

Frank Nova · Post #1190 » by **Frank Nova** » Thu Jun 5, 2014 9:07 pm

If Lavine goes top 10 I'll be honestly shocked. Vonleh Smart Randle Gordon are all no brainers over Lavine and I'd even go as far as to say James Young and Nik Stauskas are to.

Lavine should consider himself lucky to even be taken as a lotto pick. I love the athleticism but he was out shined badly all year by 2 teammates and that doesn't bode well for me. He was the least impressive Bruin of the 3 and it wasn't ever close. Potential is great but wasting a high pick on that kind of question mark is super risky business.

I could see Lavine going the Gerald Green route and taking 8yrs or so to become relevant but finally getting it. Anything Russell Westbrook related is unrealistic IMO.

LUKE23 · Post #1191 » by **LUKE23** » Thu Jun 5, 2014 9:17 pm

LaVine top 5? What? End of lottery most likely.

Ron Swanson · Post #1192 » by **Ron Swanson** » Thu Jun 5, 2014 9:19 pm

LaVine is literally all potential. You draft him with the expectation that he is going to bulk up, fix his handle, learn how to play the point, polish his jumper, and be a productive player in 3-4 years.

I get the Westbrook comparisons, but Westbrook was a much better prospect coming out of UCLA. LaVine, at this stage, is nothing but a freakish athlete who you "hope" learns how to play basketball at some point.

All I know is that, if I'm sitting at 10-15 and I really wanna go for a home run swing on a potential superstar, he's the guy. He could be the "Giannis" of this draft class.

jakecronus8 · Post #1193 » by **jakecronus8** » Thu Jun 5, 2014 9:22 pm

weezybaby856 wrote:If Lavine goes top 10 I'll be honestly shocked. Vonleh Smart Randle Gordon are all no brainers over Lavine and I'd even go as far as to say James Young and Nik Stauskas are to.

Lavine should consider himself lucky to even be taken as a lotto pick. I love the athleticism but he was out shined badly all year by 2 teammates and that doesn't bode well for me. He was the least impressive Bruin of the 3 and it wasn't ever close. Potential is great but wasting a high pick on that kind of question mark is super risky business.

College success doesn't mean pro success and college failures don't necessarily transfer to pro failures.

As far as the least effective of their big three, see Marquette (Dominic James, Jerel McNeal, Wes Matthews). I think Lavine has by far the most upside amongst himself, Anderson, and tubs McGee.

emunney · Post #1194 » by **emunney** » Thu Jun 5, 2014 9:25 pm

I hope Lavine goes late lotto. Push tubs McGee down to us.

AntetokounmBros · Post #1195 » by **AntetokounmBros** » Thu Jun 5, 2014 9:31 pm

I was a high jumper in college and watching Lavine on that vertical makes me wonder how far he could have gone in that. Easy 7' high jumper if he had halfway decent form.

Ayt · Post #1196 » by **Ayt** » Thu Jun 5, 2014 10:01 pm

Swaggy Z, IMO.

Bernman · Post #1197 » by **Bernman** » Thu Jun 5, 2014 10:04 pm

TroyD92 wrote:I don't understand the Lavine thing. Especially when it's people opposed to Wiggins who want him. He's essentially everything you hate about Wiggins except 10x worse.

Well, at least I'm consistent. I'd be classified as a hater of both.

I think Lavine is Joe Alexander all over again (Profound got the year right, but the comparison all wrong). People are drooling because he can stick his elbow in the rim, as if that's an overly useful skill in a high-level, competitive basketball game.

Frank Nova · Post #1198 » by **Frank Nova** » Thu Jun 5, 2014 10:13 pm

jakecronus8 wrote:
weezybaby856 wrote:If Lavine goes top 10 I'll be honestly shocked. Vonleh Smart Randle Gordon are all no brainers over Lavine and I'd even go as far as to say James Young and Nik Stauskas are to.

Lavine should consider himself lucky to even be taken as a lotto pick. I love the athleticism but he was out shined badly all year by 2 teammates and that doesn't bode well for me. He was the least impressive Bruin of the 3 and it wasn't ever close. Potential is great but wasting a high pick on that kind of question mark is super risky business.

College success doesn't mean pro success and college failures don't necessarily transfer to pro failures.

As far as the least effective of their big three, see Marquette (Dominic James, Jerel McNeal, Wes Matthews). I think Lavine has by far the most upside amongst himself, Anderson, and tubs McGee.

Bro, Lavine as shown very very little in terms of being a fundamentally sound basketball player. You can only get by on pure athleticism for so long.

What college failures have had NBA success? I'm not saying u gotta light the world on fire like Kevin Durant but u gotta be able to do more than Lavine who looked 100% pedestrian 90% of the time. But now he gets to run around and play 1 vs 0 and everyone has a hard on cuz he jumps high? Nah, I'm not sold at all. I'd take Elfrid Payton over Lavine and won't be shocked to see him have a more successful career

randy84 · Post #1199 » by **randy84** » Thu Jun 5, 2014 10:13 pm

Bernman wrote:
TroyD92 wrote:I don't understand the Lavine thing. Especially when it's people opposed to Wiggins who want him. He's essentially everything you hate about Wiggins except 10x worse.

Well, at least I'm consistent. I'd be classified as a hater of both.

I think Lavine is Joe Alexander all over again (Profound got the year right, but the comparison all wrong). People are drooling because he can stick his elbow in the rim, as if that's an overly useful skill in a high-level, competitive basketball game.

He'll be awesome when they raise the rims to 12 ft.

AussieBuck · Post #1200 » by **AussieBuck** » Thu Jun 5, 2014 10:13 pm

paulpressey25 wrote:If you guys want me to get on the Parker bandwagon, someone has to show me that foot stress fractures like Parker had two years ago aren't a big deal.

Chad Ford in his chat had this qualifier on Jabari.

Hard to imagine Parker not making a few All-Star teams if he stays healthy.

I'm just wondering why he put that qualifier in for Parker. I have not seen it with other players, save for obviously Embiid.

I can think of a fair few in Aussie football. They tend to go again and end careers very soon after the first or completely go away as an issue. Jez?

Assuming Embiid goes #1, who is your guy at #2?