2016 NBA DRAFT NIGHT THREAD

[NavLDO]

Dunn can make the impact the quickest of guys we could have drafted, but he is a backup. But him and the shooters will show how good they are sooner, because it's easier to come in as a guard and hit a few shots than to come in as a big and make a difference. It's always that way. Almost always. Amare was different.

You think Dunn will be a backup or he'd be a backup here?

I get your concern, Miyagi, I do. But please do not forget that Dunn was a very mediocre shooter, was careless with the ball (overestimating his abilities in his passing acumen), and never posted better than a 2.23 Pure POINT Rating, While Ulis posted 5.79 and 7.25 during his two years in college. He also had much higher TO and PF rates compare to Ulis. Dunn's career FT% was 14 points lower than Ulis (83.5 vs 69.2). His career 3PT% was a tad lower (36.5% vs 37.3%). Dunn's best TS% (.55) equaled Ulis' lowest (5.5), and that wasn't even this year? The both provided about 25% of their team's total STLs. So on and so forth.

My point is simply that Dunn at 4 would not have been equal, or even close to the value we received with Ulis @ 34. Size was Dunn's only advantage. And at already being 2 years older than Ulis, 3.5 years older than Chriss and Bender, he's more of a finished product; the Suns are not, and aren't even close. Bledsoe/Knight, unless traded, would've seriously degraded any meaningful minutes for Dunn. And the fact that he's only 2 years younger than Knight, 4-5 years younger than Bledsoe, he's not adding much to our team, IMO.

I would've rather gone Dunn than Hield or Murray, but I'm not convinced Dunn was worth the 4th overall pick. Bender might not either; we just do not know, but at least he and Chriss have a real chance to earn real minutes this season.

[JMac1]

Go watch some Markelle Fultz.

That kid is going to tear up the Pac 12 next year

No way UDub underachieves again with him

I have no idea who that is, I don't follow high school hoops at all. You guys have more player knowledge than me when they are coming into college. The first time I heard of Simmons, Wiggins, Shabazz, Perry Jones, and others were by RealGM posters., specifically Kerrsed

[MathiasPW]

Tjarks:

At no. 4, the Suns had the most fascinating decision in the draft. Needing a power forward of the future, they had an important decision to make between Marquese Chriss and Dragan Bender, two of the youngest players in the draft, with floors and ceilings as distant as Seattle is to Tel Aviv. In the end, they couldn’t choose. So they got both. After taking Bender with the fourth pick, they flipped the no. 13 and no. 28 picks, along with Bogdan Bogdanovic (a late first-round pick from 2014), to Sacramento for the rights to Chriss, who was selected at no. 8. Ryan McDonough went straight at the fork in the road, and the Suns are suddenly one of the most fascinating young teams in the NBA.

While drafting two young players at the same position can often lead to disaster, the versatility of Chriss and Bender means the Suns’ gamble has a real chance at working out. At 7-foot-1, Bender has a legitimate 3-point stroke, the passing ability of a guard, and the athleticism to slide among three positions on both sides of the ball. Chriss, meanwhile, is the best athlete in the draft, and he should thrive catching alley-oops from Eric Bledsoe and playing high-low with Bender. At this stage in their careers, the formula for both young men is to get out and run, and they are in a perfect place to do that in Phoenix.

While both prospects will need time to develop, the Suns’ front line is clearly in flux, and it’s unclear what this means for the long-term future of Tyson Chandler and Alex Len. Chandler was an expensive bust in his first year after signing a $52 million contract, and there doesn’t appear to be much of a place for him on a rebuilding team, although his locker-room leadership could benefit the Suns’ cadre of young men. Len, meanwhile, has shown flashes of greatness but never put it all together in the three seasons since the Suns selected him at no. 5. Either way, there’s enough young talent in Phoenix for the team to be considered an NBA League Pass favorite. Draft hipsters have a new favorite team.

Catching lobs from Eric Bledsoe?
We all know Brandon Knight is the best lob thrower ever!

Amirite! ?

[NavLDO]

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=RUQ_ZOu79eI

A video previewing Ulis. This kid to me could a big steal for us, he can flat out play. Outside his lack of size physically, he has pretty much everything you want in a PG. I think he's got definitely starter potential too.

He's too small to start, there's just too many big pgs that would bully him. But he certainly could be a nice backup especially if he develops a consistent 3. I would have stayed away because his size scares me but the dude has talent and a great feel for the game. At 34 it's a fine pick; hope he works out.

People get too caught up in size size size. The guy has just about every ability and skill you want in a PG. His understanding of the game and ability to see the floor is probably right at the top of this draft. He has quickness, and he's short so it allows him to get around guys who are bigger than him. He also has some separation moves in his pocket that he uses to create space for himself. So he's got some tools that give him some help with his size disadvantage. He's gonna have to get stronger and adjust obviously, but if he does that I don't see any reason he can't be a starter if the opportunity arose. I don't think lack of size alone is a disqualifyer. I'm not saying hello be elite or anything like that, but just a decent starter.

Ulis vs Isaiah Thomas, coming out, were very similar sized prospects, yet Thomas had 30lbs on him. That said, Ulis outperformed Thomas in most metrics/stats than Thomas did coming out, so if Ulis can add 30 lbs (and BTW, Ulis has been weighed in as high as 160 in the past, so it's doable), and seeing the success that Thomas has had in the league, leads me to believe he can be just as successful, and if he is, well then, that's one heck of a 2nd Rd pick, IMO!

[Cactus Jack]

Go watch some Markelle Fultz.

That kid is going to tear up the Pac 12 next year

No way UDub underachieves again with him

They better not.

[Cactus Jack]

That kid is going to tear up the Pac 12 next year

No way UDub underachieves again with him

I have no idea who that is, I don't follow high school hoops at all. You guys have more player knowledge than me when they are coming into college. The first time I heard of Simmons, Wiggins, Shabazz, Perry Jones, and others were by RealGM posters., specifically Kerrsed

Fultz is projected as a top 5/top3 pick next year. Best point guard prospect coming out. Elite potential. Drawn Westbrook comps.

[NavLDO]

who had a better draft than us? the Clippers? they gave up Lance Stephenson and a 2019 1st round pick for Diamond Stone and Cheick Diallo. big whoop.

Philly? Ben Simmons makes them a 30 win team IF he plays like rookie LeBron. i like Korkmaz. 33 wins tops right now.

Spurs? i don't think D. Murray is any good at basketball yet. (creepy feeling that reminds me of when i realized that Kawhi Leonard was ridiculous, after 5 seasons)

maybe the Wolves did because they got Kris Dunn and we didn't.

there is no way Kris Dunn is better than Eric Bledsoe right now. in addition, you fear Eric Bledsoe will break down the way Derrick Rose has, but you couldn't know that. Rajon Rondo has had about as many injuries as Bledsoe. Rajon is still himself, although he doesn't always try.

i like Dunn, but Dunn/Knight or Dunn/Bledsoe is worse than Bledsoe/Knight because Knight and Bledsoe can both shoot. Dunn can't, at least not at that level. so am i investing in this guy, instead of the freaky Dragan Bender AND the freaky Marquese Chriss?

no. why? DUNN AND KNIGHT ARE THE SAME AGE. BOOKER IS FOUR YEARS YOUNGER THAN DUNN.

if we need a guard, we don't need Dunn. we probably need a guard that can shoot, and Dunn is not that. but right now, we really don't need a guard.

The main teams with good drafts seem to be Denver who got Jamal Murray, Juan Hernangomez, Malik Beasley, and Petr Cornelie

and Philly who got Simmons, Korkmaz, and Luwawu

Yeah, to me, Philly knocked it out of the park! I can't believe they got Luwawu and Korkmaz in the 20s, when both were considered late-lotto-to-late-teens-level prospects. If I had to pick a 'draft winner', the Sixers would get my vote. But hey, at least they won SOMETHING; the Sixers won the draft, the Sixers won the draft!! WOO-WOO!!

[dremill24]

No way UDub underachieves again with him

I have no idea who that is, I don't follow high school hoops at all. You guys have more player knowledge than me when they are coming into college. The first time I heard of Simmons, Wiggins, Shabazz, Perry Jones, and others were by RealGM posters., specifically Kerrsed

Fultz is projected as a top 5/top3 pick next year. Best point guard prospect coming out. Elite potential. Drawn Westbrook comps.

And then he'll have a crap year, enter the draft anyway, get a greenroom invite, and slide all the way to #28.

[Frank Lee]

Dunn can make the impact the quickest of guys we could have drafted, but he is a backup. But him and the shooters will show how good they are sooner, because it's easier to come in as a guard and hit a few shots than to come in as a big and make a difference. It's always that way. Almost always. Amare was different.

You think Dunn will be a backup or he'd be a backup here?

I get your concern, Miyagi, I do. But please do not forget that Dunn was a very mediocre shooter, was careless with the ball (overestimating his abilities in his passing acumen), and never posted better than a 2.23 Pure POINT Rating, While Ulis posted 5.79 and 7.25 during his two years in college. He also had much higher TO and PF rates compare to Ulis. Dunn's career FT% was 14 points lower than Ulis (83.5 vs 69.2). His career 3PT% was a tad lower (36.5% vs 37.3%). Dunn's best TS% (.55) equaled Ulis' lowest (5.5), and that wasn't even this year? The both provided about 25% of their team's total STLs. So on and so forth.

My point is simply that Dunn at 4 would not have been equal, or even close to the value we received with Ulis @ 34. Size was Dunn's only advantage. And at already being 2 years older than Ulis, 3.5 years older than Chriss and Bender, he's more of a finished product; the Suns are not, and aren't even close. Bledsoe/Knight, unless traded, would've seriously degraded any meaningful minutes for Dunn. And the fact that he's only 2 years younger than Knight, 4-5 years younger than Bledsoe, he's not adding much to our team, IMO.

I would've rather gone Dunn than Hield or Murray, but I'm not convinced Dunn was worth the 4th overall pick. Bender might not either; we just do not know, but at least he and Chriss have a real chance to earn real minutes this season.

At the risk of stumbling into the 'NavLo debate Rabbit hole' I'd like to weigh in on Dunn's value. Outside of Simmons, and may be Ingram, there was one player who was coveted by multiple teams and that is Dunn. Comparing the value of Ulis to him is I guess doable but yet moot. Dunn will likely be starting by the end of the year if not the beginning. Ulis is likely a life long backup, if he makes the team.(which he will)

With Dunn, perhaps comes Butler, perhaps goes Bledsoe, perhaps comes Rubio... who knows? But it looked like an avenue to immediate relevancy. Sure we'd have to give to get, but he made giving Bledsoe palatable. A diminutive PG like Ulis doesn't make anyone but Price expendable. Knight can go regardless.

I don't know what it takes to convince you of Dunn's worth other than his performance. But there is a reason why he was centered in the trade discussion for a stand out like Butler. Imagine fielding a squad anchored by Bled, Booker, and Butler...it was a one chance shot by picking him at 4. And the Sac trade still could have occurred, though likely some of those pieces would have been included if it was a draft day deal. . Regardless, the BnBnB trio would have woken up the league and this upcoming free agency period would be filled with talks of the top tier FAs and 'look whats going on in the desert' rather than the Free Agent coin flip between Mirza and Lauer highlighted by the distant hope that at least one of two 19 yrs olds will live up to their hype.

It was a ten minute window for tangible improvement.

[rsavaj]

You think Dunn will be a backup or he'd be a backup here?

I get your concern, Miyagi, I do. But please do not forget that Dunn was a very mediocre shooter, was careless with the ball (overestimating his abilities in his passing acumen), and never posted better than a 2.23 Pure POINT Rating, While Ulis posted 5.79 and 7.25 during his two years in college. He also had much higher TO and PF rates compare to Ulis. Dunn's career FT% was 14 points lower than Ulis (83.5 vs 69.2). His career 3PT% was a tad lower (36.5% vs 37.3%). Dunn's best TS% (.55) equaled Ulis' lowest (5.5), and that wasn't even this year? The both provided about 25% of their team's total STLs. So on and so forth.

My point is simply that Dunn at 4 would not have been equal, or even close to the value we received with Ulis @ 34. Size was Dunn's only advantage. And at already being 2 years older than Ulis, 3.5 years older than Chriss and Bender, he's more of a finished product; the Suns are not, and aren't even close. Bledsoe/Knight, unless traded, would've seriously degraded any meaningful minutes for Dunn. And the fact that he's only 2 years younger than Knight, 4-5 years younger than Bledsoe, he's not adding much to our team, IMO.

I would've rather gone Dunn than Hield or Murray, but I'm not convinced Dunn was worth the 4th overall pick. Bender might not either; we just do not know, but at least he and Chriss have a real chance to earn real minutes this season.

At the risk of stumbling into the 'NavLo debate Rabbit hole' I'd like to weigh in on Dunn's value. Outside of Simmons, and may be Ingram, there was one player who was coveted by multiple teams and that is Dunn. Comparing the value of Ulis to him is I guess doable but yet moot. Dunn will likely be starting by the end of the year if not the beginning. Ulis is likely a life long backup, if he makes the team.(which he will)

With Dunn, perhaps comes Butler, perhaps goes Bledsoe, perhaps comes Rubio... who knows? But it looked like an avenue to immediate relevancy. Sure we'd have to give to get, but he made giving Bledsoe palatable. A diminutive PG like Ulis doesn't make anyone but Price expendable. Knight can go regardless.

I don't know what it takes to convince you of Dunn's worth other than his performance. But there is a reason why he was centered in the trade discussion for a stand out like Butler. Imagine fielding a squad anchored by Bled, Booker, and Butler...it was a one chance shot by picking him at 4. And the Sac trade still could have occurred, though likely some of those pieces would have been included if it was a draft day deal. . Regardless, the BnBnB trio would have woken up the league and this upcoming free agency period would be filled with talks of the top tier FAs and 'look whats going on in the desert' rather than the Free Agent coin flip between Mirza and Lauer highlighted by the distant hope that at least one of two 19 yrs olds will live up to their hype.

It was a ten minute window for tangible improvement.

Yesterday morning Coro said they were gauging possible Dunn trades if they took him. The fact that neither Boston nor Minnesota could complete a trade for Butler last night indicates that Chicago's asking price is just ridiculously high.

I think it would be erroneous to assume that McDonough didn't explore the idea of acquiring Butler.

[Blackification]

No way Pau comes to us but man what a person i'd love for Bender to model his game after. He already has the great pass and shot that Pau does

[sunsbum]

No way Pau comes to us but man what a person i'd love for Bender to model his game after. He already has the great pass and shot that Pau does

You know, been watching a ton of bender highlights. I came the conclusion last night that if i had to describe benders game, I would say its like a parimeter version of pau gasol. I know its a little loose but you can definitely see it.

[bwgood77]

I get your concern, Miyagi, I do. But please do not forget that Dunn was a very mediocre shooter, was careless with the ball (overestimating his abilities in his passing acumen), and never posted better than a 2.23 Pure POINT Rating, While Ulis posted 5.79 and 7.25 during his two years in college. He also had much higher TO and PF rates compare to Ulis. Dunn's career FT% was 14 points lower than Ulis (83.5 vs 69.2). His career 3PT% was a tad lower (36.5% vs 37.3%). Dunn's best TS% (.55) equaled Ulis' lowest (5.5), and that wasn't even this year? The both provided about 25% of their team's total STLs. So on and so forth.

My point is simply that Dunn at 4 would not have been equal, or even close to the value we received with Ulis @ 34. Size was Dunn's only advantage. And at already being 2 years older than Ulis, 3.5 years older than Chriss and Bender, he's more of a finished product; the Suns are not, and aren't even close. Bledsoe/Knight, unless traded, would've seriously degraded any meaningful minutes for Dunn. And the fact that he's only 2 years younger than Knight, 4-5 years younger than Bledsoe, he's not adding much to our team, IMO.

I would've rather gone Dunn than Hield or Murray, but I'm not convinced Dunn was worth the 4th overall pick. Bender might not either; we just do not know, but at least he and Chriss have a real chance to earn real minutes this season.

At the risk of stumbling into the 'NavLo debate Rabbit hole' I'd like to weigh in on Dunn's value. Outside of Simmons, and may be Ingram, there was one player who was coveted by multiple teams and that is Dunn. Comparing the value of Ulis to him is I guess doable but yet moot. Dunn will likely be starting by the end of the year if not the beginning. Ulis is likely a life long backup, if he makes the team.(which he will)

With Dunn, perhaps comes Butler, perhaps goes Bledsoe, perhaps comes Rubio... who knows? But it looked like an avenue to immediate relevancy. Sure we'd have to give to get, but he made giving Bledsoe palatable. A diminutive PG like Ulis doesn't make anyone but Price expendable. Knight can go regardless.

I don't know what it takes to convince you of Dunn's worth other than his performance. But there is a reason why he was centered in the trade discussion for a stand out like Butler. Imagine fielding a squad anchored by Bled, Booker, and Butler...it was a one chance shot by picking him at 4. And the Sac trade still could have occurred, though likely some of those pieces would have been included if it was a draft day deal. . Regardless, the BnBnB trio would have woken up the league and this upcoming free agency period would be filled with talks of the top tier FAs and 'look whats going on in the desert' rather than the Free Agent coin flip between Mirza and Lauer highlighted by the distant hope that at least one of two 19 yrs olds will live up to their hype.

It was a ten minute window for tangible improvement.

Yesterday morning Coro said they were gauging possible Dunn trades if they took him. The fact that neither Boston nor Minnesota could complete a trade for Butler last night indicates that Chicago's asking price is just ridiculously high.

I think it would be erroneous to assume that McDonough didn't explore the idea of acquiring Butler.

Butler isn't being traded, at least for nothing we could have offered, even with Booker. Getting Butler is a pipe dream, which I guess is fitting for Frank's avatar.

[Blackification]

No way Pau comes to us but man what a person i'd love for Bender to model his game after. He already has the great pass and shot that Pau does

You know, been watching a ton of bender highlights. I came the conclusion last night that if i had to describe benders game, I would say its like a parimeter version of pau gasol. I know its a little loose but you can definitely see it.

Agreed! I thought the same thing, don't know much about his Croatian role model that he is replicating but I saw him passing and was like **** thats like Pau

[NavLDO]

Reading through the Boston board is quite comical. They are really giving it to Ainge. lol

They had very high hopes, they stockepiled "Assets", and with all the rumored players (Okafor/Noel/Butler/Hayward/Parker/Middleton/Love/Monroe) they ended up with:

Jaylen Brown
Guerschon Yabusele
Ante Zizic
Demetrius Jackson
Ben Bentil
Abdel Nader

All those great "Assets" turned into THOSE players.

After Ainge was able to pull off the Big 3 trade back in the day, and a few others, Boston fans felt he was a trade stealing team building god, and i think the league finally got tired of his shenanigans and refused to do anything with them (Besides Memphis Taking on #31 & #35 for the Clippers 2018 1st).

Seriously, their draft was a MAJOR letdown.

Actually, I wouldn't say it was a "MAJOR letdown"; I would say that Ainge failed to turn those draft-pick assets into an NBA star player, but as far as their draft, I liked a good portion of the players they selected. Even though Brown is raw and didn't live up to his billing this year, he IS still young, and quite athletic, and wouldn't be surprised to see him turn into a top starter for tem in 3 years.

Then, while Yabusele was 'over-drafted', as a prospect, there is a lot to like. He has an NBA-ready body at 250-270lbs, and depending on the source the info comes from, being 6' 8" with a 7' 2" Wingspan is incredible size for a PF. Then, they grab Zizic, closer to when he was expected to be drafted (early 20s)--a 7', 250lb PF/C with a 7' 2.5" Wingspan, who shoots a 70% FT%, and a .67 and .64 TS%/eFG% respectively.

Getting Demetrius Jackson @ 45 might have been one of the biggest 'steals' of the draft. Jackson-was being discussed as a possible mid-to-late Teens pick. Then to grab Bentil at 51, IMO, was another great value pick; he was one of my favorite 2nd Rd options, but after taking Chriss and Bender, I knew thee was no way we'd draft a 3rd "Big." But point being, I think Boston got some good-to-great values with thei 2nd Rd picks...well, other than that Abdel dude.

[MathiasPW]

You think Dunn will be a backup or he'd be a backup here?

I get your concern, Miyagi, I do. But please do not forget that Dunn was a very mediocre shooter, was careless with the ball (overestimating his abilities in his passing acumen), and never posted better than a 2.23 Pure POINT Rating, While Ulis posted 5.79 and 7.25 during his two years in college. He also had much higher TO and PF rates compare to Ulis. Dunn's career FT% was 14 points lower than Ulis (83.5 vs 69.2). His career 3PT% was a tad lower (36.5% vs 37.3%). Dunn's best TS% (.55) equaled Ulis' lowest (5.5), and that wasn't even this year? The both provided about 25% of their team's total STLs. So on and so forth.

My point is simply that Dunn at 4 would not have been equal, or even close to the value we received with Ulis @ 34. Size was Dunn's only advantage. And at already being 2 years older than Ulis, 3.5 years older than Chriss and Bender, he's more of a finished product; the Suns are not, and aren't even close. Bledsoe/Knight, unless traded, would've seriously degraded any meaningful minutes for Dunn. And the fact that he's only 2 years younger than Knight, 4-5 years younger than Bledsoe, he's not adding much to our team, IMO.

I would've rather gone Dunn than Hield or Murray, but I'm not convinced Dunn was worth the 4th overall pick. Bender might not either; we just do not know, but at least he and Chriss have a real chance to earn real minutes this season.

At the risk of stumbling into the 'NavLo debate Rabbit hole' I'd like to weigh in on Dunn's value. Outside of Simmons, and may be Ingram, there was one player who was coveted by multiple teams and that is Dunn. Comparing the value of Ulis to him is I guess doable but yet moot. Dunn will likely be starting by the end of the year if not the beginning. Ulis is likely a life long backup, if he makes the team.(which he will)

With Dunn, perhaps comes Butler, perhaps goes Bledsoe, perhaps comes Rubio... who knows? But it looked like an avenue to immediate relevancy. Sure we'd have to give to get, but he made giving Bledsoe palatable. A diminutive PG like Ulis doesn't make anyone but Price expendable. Knight can go regardless.

I don't know what it takes to convince you of Dunn's worth other than his performance. But there is a reason why he was centered in the trade discussion for a stand out like Butler. Imagine fielding a squad anchored by Bled, Booker, and Butler...it was a one chance shot by picking him at 4. And the Sac trade still could have occurred, though likely some of those pieces would have been included if it was a draft day deal. . Regardless, the BnBnB trio would have woken up the league and this upcoming free agency period would be filled with talks of the top tier FAs and 'look whats going on in the desert' rather than the Free Agent coin flip between Mirza and Lauer highlighted by the distant hope that at least one of two 19 yrs olds will live up to their hype.

It was a ten minute window for tangible improvement.

Agreed. But you get less value for your asset when it's clear he has no room in your lineup (independently if we're talking about Dunn or Bledsoe or whichever guard would be left out of the rotation.)

Dunn has much more value for trade being in the Wolvesct than in the Suns

[rsavaj]

The thing with draft picks is that they are always at their highest value BEFORE they turn into a player; 13 sounds a lot better than Papagiannis. 3 sounds better than Jaylen Brown.

Look at the expected value of a draft pick: http://www.82games.com/nbadraftpicks.htm

Most of these guys aren't gonna be anything special.

In that sense, Ainge failed badly last night, because he had the chance to grab somebody he KNEW was special in a trade, and he just couldn't make it happen.

Sad to say it, but there's a better chance that one of Bender/Chriss is a whiff than there is that they both become contributors. That's just how it goes.

[MrMiyagi]

The thing with draft picks is that they are always at their highest value BEFORE they turn into a player; 13 sounds a lot better than Papagiannis. 3 sounds better than Jaylen Brown.

Look at the expected value of a draft pick: http://www.82games.com/nbadraftpicks.htm

Most of these guys aren't gonna be anything special.

In that sense, Ainge failed badly last night, because he had the chance to grab somebody he KNEW was special in a trade, and he just couldn't make it happen.

Sad to say it, but there's a better chance that one of Bender/Chriss is a whiff than there is that they both become contributors. That's just how it goes.

That seems like a terrible analysis. PPG + RPG + APG = Rating? Rating over 20 is a star player? So Knight and Bledsoe are star players according to this.

[rsavaj]

The thing with draft picks is that they are always at their highest value BEFORE they turn into a player; 13 sounds a lot better than Papagiannis. 3 sounds better than Jaylen Brown.

Look at the expected value of a draft pick: http://www.82games.com/nbadraftpicks.htm

Most of these guys aren't gonna be anything special.

In that sense, Ainge failed badly last night, because he had the chance to grab somebody he KNEW was special in a trade, and he just couldn't make it happen.

Sad to say it, but there's a better chance that one of Bender/Chriss is a whiff than there is that they both become contributors. That's just how it goes.

That seems like a terrible analysis. PPG + RPG + APG = Rating? Rating over 20 is a star player? So Knight and Bledsoe are star players according to this.

You're right, it's a crude rating.

Let's look at something much simpler then: the average NBA career is <5 years. That means a lot of these drafted guys are gonna be out of the league maybe right after their rookie contract ends.

[phx#7]

Ulis vs Isaiah Thomas, coming out, were very similar sized prospects, yet Thomas had 30lbs on him. That said, Ulis outperformed Thomas in most metrics/stats than Thomas did coming out, so if Ulis can add 30 lbs (and BTW, Ulis has been weighed in as high as 160 in the past, so it's doable), and seeing the success that Thomas has had in the league, leads me to believe he can be just as successful, and if he is, well then, that's one heck of a 2nd Rd pick, IMO!

30 lbs is a lot of weight for anyone to add, let alone someone Ulis' size. I'm less worried about his ability to play at the NBA level than I am about his ability to hold up physically. If he can stay healthy I'm confident he'll be able to make an impact on the court.