Hard to Believe Ainge will Make any Move Soon Trade Thread

[JediMasterRevan]

Kemba and semi to dallas

Thj, edwards and james johnson to sacramento

Hield to boston.

Tucker into tpe for a pick

Smart/pp/teague
Hield/romeo/nesmith
Brown/tucker/green
Tatum/grant/semi
Thonpson/theis/timelord



Would love to get nawtoo.

[leper-con]

We need aBIG personality killer on this team. Playmaker scorer and a big that can shot the ball to the three line.

[Shak_Celts]

Yall are so quick to turn on a player and be ready to ship them out. I'd say Tatum has a good 3 seasons until he's next if things don't go perfect or the way you guys want it to and he'll still only be 25ish.

[Ernest]

We need a 4 that can score. We've got good 4s and 5s but none of them are really a threat to score every night.

[RodyTur10]

We need a 4 that can score. We've got good 4s and 5s but none of them are really a threat to score every night.

Chicago has such guys: Lauri Markkanen and Otto Porter.
Atlanta has: John Collins.

We can only obtain Porter by letting go of either Walker, Smart and/or Thompson.
We can't just use the TPE to absorb his contract because we are hardcapped (and we don't want to go into luxury tax).
It's difficult, although I really like him.

Both Chicago and Atlanta might be worried about the offers Markkanen and Collins will be getting in free agency, so maybe they won't cost a lot as a trade target. Anyway Boston would basically need to match any offer in free agency otherwise it would be a waste of assets. Interesting dynamic.

[ddb]

The team was due for a stinker and yesterday was certainly that against the Knicks.
The good news is Kemba played 20 minutes and worked out some rust. Now the Celts need Tatum/RWill back and let’s see this team at close to full strength for a couple weeks. That’ll give DA a little more time to figure out what kind of move will be best for this squad.

If I’m guessing I still think the best bet is to use a portion of the TPE on a wing that can shoot/score but also hold their own defensively. If the player was stronger in one area VS another I would prefer a bigger wing (3/4) that is a knock down shooter.

I’m not worried about the guards. There is plenty there with Kemba/Smart/Teague/Pritch. Langford eventually will be back too. I’m not worried about the bigs in scattering TT/Theis/RWill. I am worried about the wings. Tatum/Brown are great but then there’s a massive drop off to Semi/Grant/Green/Nesmith. This where Danny needs to upgrade the roster. Those guys can all chip in for spot mins, but none of them are reliable night in and night out. Find that player with TPE and this team is a contender.

[klemen4]

Imo if TPE will be used it will be only a part of it. I think it makes no sense to go into luxury tax this season... So we are talking about salary max 14 million or little bit more because a player like Edward will have to be traded to make room for TPE player. The easiest is to look teams which are now in luxury tax...for instance if GSW are not good enough, I'm sure we could get Oubre for TPE. For teams not in need to trade players we will have to add a first or second round pick.

[vct33]

About the TPE... I know you can't make a trade that combines it with outgoing players, but can't you essentially do that anyway by simply making it more than one official trade?

Like, trade the TPE straight up for the star player we want. Then do a separate trade giving the other team players and picks in exchange for bad contracts or whatever.

I believe you can trade the TPE with players in the same trade but it doesn’t increase the amount of salary you can take back.

So for example, you can trade $20M TPE & $10M Player A for $20M Player B but not for $30M Player B.

[BigTrade92]

Would trade any pick and any player not named Brown, Tatum or Pritchard over to Washington for a Beal and Bertans package.

This team has so much dead weight on its roster and that includes Kemba, Theis and even Smart.

So you want to trade dead weight for Beal? Sounds plausible.

Considering it just worked for the Nets for a former league MVP, yeah it’s certainly plausible.

If we're calling out trades that have no chance of happening, I just assume go for Lebron.

Yeah, one of the worst teams in the league that’s stuck in treadmill land wouldn’t dare trade a player that is next up on the disgruntled star list to a team his best friend is on.

You’re right, totally no chance of happening, especially in the NBA and I bet Beal will retire a Wizard too! Good call.

[SmartWentCrazy]

After watching the Theis/Thompson/G Williams crew I’m ready for Ainge to make a big move to address the frontcourt. Time is now to be bold. That Celtics trio will get abused in the playoffs.

TimeLord is still the wildcard

Williams has been the biggest disappointment for me this year. He looked great in the bubble but came into camp out of shape and has looked terrible.

Im with you. Its time to add a veteran big who knows what he’s doing.

[JediMasterRevan]

To OKC
Kemba Walker, Timelord and a pick
(Dort, Hill, Ariza)

To Orlando
Ariza, Hayes, Langford
(Vucevic)

To New Orleans
Theis and Nesmith
(NAW, Hayes)

To Boston
Dort, Vucevic, Hill, NAW

Unrealistic but let me dream, its monday morning

[JediMasterRevan]

Perhaps more realistic

Reasoning is Orlando can load manage Kemba for the season and secure a high lotto pick, perhaps even audition Kemba for an offseason deal while making it happen.

Pelicans add some size/spacing up front and add a potential sharp shooter to replace Reddick next offseason.

Orlando in
Kemba, Hayes, 2nd from Boston

New Orleans in
Theis, Nesmith

Boston in
Vucevic, NAW, Ross

Boston still has all TPEs but are now fielding a lineup of.

NAW/PP/Teague
Smart/Green/Edwards
Brown/Ross/Romeo
Tatum/GrantW/Semi
Vucevic/Thompson/Timelord

[celticfan42487]

Perhaps more realistic

Reasoning is Orlando can load manage Kemba for the season and secure a high lotto pick, perhaps even audition Kemba for an offseason deal while making it happen.

Pelicans add some size/spacing up front and add a potential sharp shooter to replace Reddick next offseason.

Orlando in
Kemba, Hayes, 2nd from Boston

New Orleans in
Theis, Nesmith

Boston in
Vucevic, NAW, Ross

Boston still has all TPEs but are now fielding a lineup of.

NAW/PP/Teague
Smart/Green/Edwards
Brown/Ross/Romeo
Tatum/GrantW/Semi
Vucevic/Thompson/Timelord

... Are you suggesting we can trade Kemba and Theis for Vuc and NAW

I'm pretty sure we'd have to give Kemba and Theis and at least 3 first rounders to get Vuc. Kemba just means they may lose out on playoff money and at the moment Vuc is younger, much better, and appears to have a longer shelf life.

Honestly I don't think we can do anything but play out the rest of the year, hope Kemba plays like an all-star and has a good playoffs to recover his value, and then once the year is over we will have completed a year breaking the repeater tax.

Then make a trade. I think we can take in like 15 million through a trade before the end of the year and still avoid tax but Kemba's value is as low as it has been since he was in his first 4 years and shooting like Marcus Smart but didn't have the defense.

[JediMasterRevan]

Perhaps more realistic

Reasoning is Orlando can load manage Kemba for the season and secure a high lotto pick, perhaps even audition Kemba for an offseason deal while making it happen.

Pelicans add some size/spacing up front and add a potential sharp shooter to replace Reddick next offseason.

Orlando in
Kemba, Hayes, 2nd from Boston

New Orleans in
Theis, Nesmith

Boston in
Vucevic, NAW, Ross

Boston still has all TPEs but are now fielding a lineup of.

NAW/PP/Teague
Smart/Green/Edwards
Brown/Ross/Romeo
Tatum/GrantW/Semi
Vucevic/Thompson/Timelord

... Are you suggesting we can trade Kemba and Theis for Vuc and NAW

I'm pretty sure we'd have to give Kemba and Theis and at least 3 first rounders to get Vuc. Kemba just means they may lose out on playoff money and at the moment Vuc is younger, much better, and appears to have a longer shelf life.

Honestly I don't think we can do anything but play out the rest of the year, hope Kemba plays like an all-star and has a good playoffs to recover his value, and then once the year is over we will have completed a year breaking the repeater tax.

Then make a trade. I think we can take in like 15 million through a trade before the end of the year and still avoid tax but Kemba's value is as low as it has been since he was in his first 4 years and shooting like Marcus Smart but didn't have the defense.

I dont see the talent difference between Kemba and Vucevic as much, if any.

[Bohemian]

2 basic moves apart from getting an answer to why Brad has stopped coaching the team the last 2 years:

1. Use the TPE to get Barnes from Sacramento
2. Trade Brown and Smart for Bradley Beal

[celticfan42487]

Perhaps more realistic

Reasoning is Orlando can load manage Kemba for the season and secure a high lotto pick, perhaps even audition Kemba for an offseason deal while making it happen.

Pelicans add some size/spacing up front and add a potential sharp shooter to replace Reddick next offseason.

Orlando in
Kemba, Hayes, 2nd from Boston

New Orleans in
Theis, Nesmith

Boston in
Vucevic, NAW, Ross

Boston still has all TPEs but are now fielding a lineup of.

NAW/PP/Teague
Smart/Green/Edwards
Brown/Ross/Romeo
Tatum/GrantW/Semi
Vucevic/Thompson/Timelord

... Are you suggesting we can trade Kemba and Theis for Vuc and NAW

I'm pretty sure we'd have to give Kemba and Theis and at least 3 first rounders to get Vuc. Kemba just means they may lose out on playoff money and at the moment Vuc is younger, much better, and appears to have a longer shelf life.

Honestly I don't think we can do anything but play out the rest of the year, hope Kemba plays like an all-star and has a good playoffs to recover his value, and then once the year is over we will have completed a year breaking the repeater tax.

Then make a trade. I think we can take in like 15 million through a trade before the end of the year and still avoid tax but Kemba's value is as low as it has been since he was in his first 4 years and shooting like Marcus Smart but didn't have the defense.

I dont see the talent difference between Kemba and Vucevic as much, if any.

I hear you. He has some defensive issues just like Kemba.

But even if you felt they were equal then agree that Kemba's injury issues on a knee that's had 3 major surgeries (is it 4 now?) going back to college as a wee little guy at the very least would be a considerable concern.

I think perhaps if Kemba proves he's not broken and recovered it might be a little more even. At the moment I think ORL's priorities is to get to the playoffs and get that cash (should have fans by then) OR significant rebuilding assets for the future. Of which I view Kemba as productive to neither of those goals as much as Vuc is.

I basically view Vuc as a bizzaro Horford who can play offense and rebound but not defense. And who is also more than strong and tall enough to play Center as he gets older. Those years of 3.5 asgp can't be ignored.

[Triple7]

After watching the Theis/Thompson/G Williams crew I’m ready for Ainge to make a big move to address the frontcourt. Time is now to be bold. That Celtics trio will get abused in the playoffs.

TimeLord is still the wildcard

I’ve been saying this for the longest time. Our front court of TT and Theis won’t really cut it. Theis have been abused over and over and that won’t ever change. He is just too little to play the 5. TT is just an awful offensive player. He is just a good offensive rebounder. That’s his only talent. They are both poor post rim protectors, and can’t creatw their own shot. Some would argue that we don’t need them to score, because we have a lot of scorers in the team, is a lot of bull. We need our big guy to at least have some offense, and play above the rim. At least timelord defends the rim, and tries to block or alter shots inside. The problem is Stevens won’t play him enough. We need a legit big. At least 6’10 or bigger. Not some 6’8 pretending to be big lol.

[GoCeltics123]

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I know he has problems, but do it Danny

[cl2117]

Per Kevin O'Connor, the Rockets are looking for three second rounders for Tucker:

People around the league wonder what Rockets general manager Rafael Stone will do next following the Harden blockbuster. As I reported last week, Victor Oladipo, an impending free agent, has eyes for Miami. Could the Heat, or another team looking to contend—such as the Nuggets or Celtics—try to acquire him? And how about P.J. Tucker? Numerous teams have already inquired about the stout versatile defender, and league sources say Houston is currently demanding three second-round draft picks for the upcoming unrestricted free agent.

https://www.theringer.com/nba/2021/1/18/22236679/nba-power-rankings-james-harden-trade

Feels like that's their starting salvo and they'll settle for two especially if either are supposed to be high.

[cl2117]

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I know he has problems, but do it Danny

Porter, 20, has yet to play this season due to personal issues. On Friday, the night he joined his teammates and made a positive stride toward returning, Porter grew angry when he entered the locker room and realized the team gave his old locker to new arrival Taurean Prince, who was acquired in the James Harden trade Wednesday. That petty outburst led to general manager Koby Altman Altman entering the locker room to talk with Porter, who didn’t cool down. Porter did not practice the next day.

Porter was involved in a one-car accident in November. He was arrested and charged with improper handling of a firearm in a motor vehicle, failure to control the vehicle and misdemeanor possession of marijuana. All of those charges were dismissed.

https://www.cleveland.com/cavs/2021/01/cleveland-cavaliers-to-move-on-from-troubled-swingman-kevin-porter-jr-sources-say.html