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2021-22 Season Discussion and Speculation

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Do you truly expect the Suns to win the finals this year?

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Re: 2021-22 Season Discussion and Speculation 

Post#1181 » by Ghost of Kleine » Thu Dec 2, 2021 11:05 pm

ً (@swaveyquis) Tweeted:
“Yall giving Mikal too much credit” yet they defensive anchor sayin stuff like this lmaooo also called Chris Paul a winner and gave Ayton love https://t.co/0f5xLUQJrk
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Typical Draymond here! :crazy:
Awfully bitter and salty it seems about Bridges shutting down Curry. I guess we'll just have to do it again on Friday till he gets the message. Bridges is for real!...............DPOTY. :nod:
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Post#1182 » by SunsRback4Good » Fri Dec 3, 2021 12:57 am

Meanwhile Klay Thompson hitting daggers and winning games even though it's a scrimmage..Not looking forward for him coming back.

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Post#1183 » by SunsRback4Good » Fri Dec 3, 2021 12:58 am

Ghost of Kleine wrote:ً (@swaveyquis) Tweeted:
“Yall giving Mikal too much credit” yet they defensive anchor sayin stuff like this lmaooo also called Chris Paul a winner and gave Ayton love https://t.co/0f5xLUQJrk
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Typical Draymond here! :crazy:
Awfully bitter and salty it seems about Bridges shutting down Curry. I guess we'll just have to do it again on Friday till he gets the message. Bridges is for real!...............DPOTY
. :nod:
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Post#1184 » by Revived » Fri Dec 3, 2021 5:47 am

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Post#1185 » by Saberestar » Fri Dec 3, 2021 10:43 am

Ghost of Kleine wrote:ً (@swaveyquis) Tweeted:
“Yall giving Mikal too much credit” yet they defensive anchor sayin stuff like this lmaooo also called Chris Paul a winner and gave Ayton love https://t.co/0f5xLUQJrk
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Typical Draymond here! :crazy:
Awfully bitter and salty it seems about Bridges shutting down Curry. I guess we'll just have to do it again on Friday till he gets the message. Bridges is for real!...............DPOTY. :nod:

Didn't you watch the video?
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Post#1186 » by BobbieL » Fri Dec 3, 2021 1:46 pm

Saberestar wrote:
Ghost of Kleine wrote:ً (@swaveyquis) Tweeted:
“Yall giving Mikal too much credit” yet they defensive anchor sayin stuff like this lmaooo also called Chris Paul a winner and gave Ayton love https://t.co/0f5xLUQJrk
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Typical Draymond here! :crazy:
Awfully bitter and salty it seems about Bridges shutting down Curry. I guess we'll just have to do it again on Friday till he gets the message. Bridges is for real!...............DPOTY. :nod:

Didn't you watch the video?



Dray was very positive towards Mikal - called him the head of the snake on defense.

I almost think tonight the Suns should put Mikal on Poole because I have a feeling that nobody who is guarding Curry, he is going to have a good night !
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Post#1187 » by bwgood77 » Fri Dec 3, 2021 3:26 pm

We are now middle of the pack on SOS after playing Brooklyn and GS even with having just played Detroit. Will move up even more after tonight.

And what is interesting is who has played the easiest schedule..

http://www.espn.com/nba/stats/rpi/_/sort/SOS

Also, Cleveland may even be better than their surprising record indicates given their SOS.
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Post#1188 » by spanishninja » Fri Dec 3, 2021 4:58 pm

bwgood77 wrote:We are now middle of the pack on SOS after playing Brooklyn and GS even with having just played Detroit. Will move up even more after tonight.

And what is interesting is who has played the easiest schedule..

http://www.espn.com/nba/stats/rpi/_/sort/SOS

Also, Cleveland may even be better than their surprising record indicates given their SOS.


Also, with Portland losing last night, we are now 11-0 against .500 teams. The only undefeated record.
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Post#1189 » by BobbieL » Fri Dec 3, 2021 5:12 pm

spanishninja wrote:
bwgood77 wrote:We are now middle of the pack on SOS after playing Brooklyn and GS even with having just played Detroit. Will move up even more after tonight.

And what is interesting is who has played the easiest schedule..

http://www.espn.com/nba/stats/rpi/_/sort/SOS

Also, Cleveland may even be better than their surprising record indicates given their SOS.


Also, with Portland losing last night, we are now 11-0 against .500 teams. The only undefeated record.


Olshey gone -- I wonder if the trade chatter will begin. How Lillard is feeling about Portland

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Post#1190 » by bwgood77 » Fri Dec 3, 2021 5:27 pm

BobbieL wrote:
spanishninja wrote:
bwgood77 wrote:We are now middle of the pack on SOS after playing Brooklyn and GS even with having just played Detroit. Will move up even more after tonight.

And what is interesting is who has played the easiest schedule..

http://www.espn.com/nba/stats/rpi/_/sort/SOS

Also, Cleveland may even be better than their surprising record indicates given their SOS.


Also, with Portland losing last night, we are now 11-0 against .500 teams. The only undefeated record.


Olshey gone -- I wonder if the trade chatter will begin. How Lillard is feeling about Portland

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Who is Lillard worth trading for? Despite his season i wouldn't trade him for Simmons or Kyrie. I would Kyrie if he was a normal human being, but wouldn't want to deal with that. I wonder if Boston would do something like Jaylen Brown. Portland moves CJ to PG and pairs next to Brown. Boston pairs Lillard and Tatum.

Or NY could deal Barrett and picks or something. Portland would have to find a bit of filler but could take Walker back maybe.
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Post#1191 » by BobbieL » Fri Dec 3, 2021 5:33 pm

bwgood77 wrote:
BobbieL wrote:
spanishninja wrote:
Also, with Portland losing last night, we are now 11-0 against .500 teams. The only undefeated record.


Olshey gone -- I wonder if the trade chatter will begin. How Lillard is feeling about Portland

Read on Twitter


Who is Lillard worth trading for? Despite his season i wouldn't trade him for Simmons or Kyrie. I would Kyrie if he was a normal human being, but wouldn't want to deal with that. I wonder if Boston would do something like Jaylen Brown. Portland moves CJ to PG and pairs next to Brown. Boston pairs Lillard and Tatum.

Or NY could deal Barrett and picks or something. Portland would have to find a bit of filler but could take Walker back maybe.


Earlier Lillard said he wanted to stay in Portland - just wondering if that changes

Old friend of the city, Gina Mizell - tweeted something for her Sixers faithful that her sources were that "Olshey never wanted to trade CJ McCollum as he was a "Find" by Olshey."

I opined on this site months ago that Simmons for McCollum/Covington and whatever else made some sense for the Blazers as they were kind of stuck in neutral with the current roster mix.

Portland is 11-12
Sixers are 11-11 - though I know some guys are out
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Post#1192 » by bwgood77 » Fri Dec 3, 2021 5:46 pm

BobbieL wrote:
bwgood77 wrote:
BobbieL wrote:
Olshey gone -- I wonder if the trade chatter will begin. How Lillard is feeling about Portland

Read on Twitter


Who is Lillard worth trading for? Despite his season i wouldn't trade him for Simmons or Kyrie. I would Kyrie if he was a normal human being, but wouldn't want to deal with that. I wonder if Boston would do something like Jaylen Brown. Portland moves CJ to PG and pairs next to Brown. Boston pairs Lillard and Tatum.

Or NY could deal Barrett and picks or something. Portland would have to find a bit of filler but could take Walker back maybe.


Earlier Lillard said he wanted to stay in Portland - just wondering if that changes

Old friend of the city, Gina Mizell - tweeted something for her Sixers faithful that her sources were that "Olshey never wanted to trade CJ McCollum as he was a "Find" by Olshey."

I opined on this site months ago that Simmons for McCollum/Covington and whatever else made some sense for the Blazers as they were kind of stuck in neutral with the current roster mix.

Portland is 11-12
Sixers are 11-11 - though I know some guys are out


I would probably pull that trigger on both sides. McCollum is underrated. Those two would be perfect in Philly. I think Philly misses the days they had Covington.

Maxey/McCollum/Covington/Harris/Embiid

Simmons/Lillard/Powell/Nance/Nurkic
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Post#1193 » by BobbieL » Fri Dec 3, 2021 5:53 pm

bwgood77 wrote:
BobbieL wrote:
bwgood77 wrote:
Who is Lillard worth trading for? Despite his season i wouldn't trade him for Simmons or Kyrie. I would Kyrie if he was a normal human being, but wouldn't want to deal with that. I wonder if Boston would do something like Jaylen Brown. Portland moves CJ to PG and pairs next to Brown. Boston pairs Lillard and Tatum.

Or NY could deal Barrett and picks or something. Portland would have to find a bit of filler but could take Walker back maybe.


Earlier Lillard said he wanted to stay in Portland - just wondering if that changes

Old friend of the city, Gina Mizell - tweeted something for her Sixers faithful that her sources were that "Olshey never wanted to trade CJ McCollum as he was a "Find" by Olshey."

I opined on this site months ago that Simmons for McCollum/Covington and whatever else made some sense for the Blazers as they were kind of stuck in neutral with the current roster mix.

Portland is 11-12
Sixers are 11-11 - though I know some guys are out


I would probably pull that trigger on both sides. McCollum is underrated. Those two would be perfect in Philly. I think Philly misses the days they had Covington.

Maxey/McCollum/Covington/Harris/Embiid

Simmons/Lillard/Powell/Nance/Nurkic


Yep- -I think it make sense for both teams. If the Blazers are going to get out of neutral and do what they can for Dame-time, CJ is the player to trade.
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Post#1194 » by WeekapaugGroove » Fri Dec 3, 2021 6:07 pm

If you're into the nerdy basketball X's and O's David has a bunch of good stuff. Good thread on the suns favorite play

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Post#1195 » by Ghost of Kleine » Fri Dec 3, 2021 10:29 pm

Saberestar wrote:
Ghost of Kleine wrote:ً (@swaveyquis) Tweeted:
“Yall giving Mikal too much credit” yet they defensive anchor sayin stuff like this lmaooo also called Chris Paul a winner and gave Ayton love https://t.co/0f5xLUQJrk
Read on Twitter
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Typical Draymond here! :crazy:
Awfully bitter and salty it seems about Bridges shutting down Curry. I guess we'll just have to do it again on Friday till he gets the message. Bridges is for real!...............DPOTY. :nod:

Didn't you watch the video?


Yeah! He did give solid praise to Bridges saying he played like an animal on defense, And was the head of the snake in that regard, And that was great of him of course! So he wasn't specifically/ directly slighting Bridges in the video clip. But moreover minimizing the win overall, Giving excuses as to why they lost:
https://www.google.com/amp/s/heavy.com/sports/golden-state-warriors/draymond-green-phoenix-suns-rematch/amp/

Green pointed out that the Warriors did a lot to shoot themselves in the foot in the game, and that the Suns should not expect that to be something Golden State does repeatedly.

Subtle inference of our win being more luck than legitimate?

“Saying all of that, we were on the road with 23, 24 turnovers (22, actually),” Green said. “Yet with two-and-a-half minutes to go (actually, it was 4:12 left in the fourth quarter), I (missed) a left-hand layup, streaking down the floor with a chance to cut it to one. And so, in saying that, I love where we are still as a team. I am not sure you’ll find a game where myself, Steph (Curry) and Wigs (Andrew Wiggins) will play worse than we played (Tuesday) night. And we still had a chance to win that game right down the stretch.”

Another subtle inference that they had an uncharacteristic offensive scoring night. And by grouping Curry in that context of an off shooting/ offensive scoring night, it cleverly insinuates that the win overall was anomalous. And it also somewhat minimizes the legitimacy of the job that Bridges did on Curry. Basically implying that as great as Bridges defense was that night, he was only that successful due to Curry having such an aberration of an off night offensively, as opposed to Bridges defense being that elite.

Again, I know that it's a matter of personal perspective here, And I apologize if I'm reading too much into things here. But in those comments, At least to me, he's minimizing our win by inferring that we basically won due to Curry (primarily) having a horrible shooting night along with himself and Wiggins, as well as their turnovers and that the suns should not expect this to happen repeatedly, hence subtly implying our win being more a result of pure luck than actual substance? :dontknow:

I just think that aside from the wonderful compliments to Bridges defense initially, He threw in some very clever, subtle digs at our win and by association Mikals' defense being key to our win, implying it was more of a result of their off night as a team ( defense on Curry included) rather than our legitimate status as an elite team.
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Post#1196 » by Ghost of Kleine » Sat Dec 4, 2021 2:50 am

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Man!!! I really miss seeing this in our frontcourt. Would love to find another Amare type physical, explosive and aggressive dunker at the 4 once Saric and Crowder expire. Heck maybe even keep both if they're willing to resign on the cheap. Find an Amare type to fill our starting 4 spot. Have Crowder man the backup 3, Cam the backup 4, and Saric at the backup 5 IF he stays. But honestly would rather resign McGee at the backup 5 I think. Maybe at some point, Saric and Kaminsky can hold down our third string frontcourt 4 ( Saric) and 5 (Kaminsky)? Or Kaminsky ( 4) Saric ( 5) interchangeably ? :dontknow:
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Post#1197 » by Saberestar » Sat Dec 4, 2021 5:16 pm

Question:

If Thaddeus Young is waived in January (for example) can we offer him a bigger contract than other teams? Or he can just get the minimum? I am not sure about that.
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Post#1198 » by bwgood77 » Sat Dec 4, 2021 5:37 pm

Saberestar wrote:Question:

If Thaddeus Young is waived in January (for example) can we offer him a bigger contract than other teams? Or he can just get the minimum? I am not sure about that.


Pretty sure we can still offer him the rest of our MLE so saving almost half of it could be good...maybe kind of a plan when they didn't use it. He will likely get bought out if they let him go and not waived so he could accept less from them if he knew he'd get a decent amount from us.

There may be a team that would start him though. Funny thing is the team that is near the top of the standings that could use him the post may be Chicago. In the west Denver could possibly start him or at least give him a lot of minutes.
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Post#1199 » by Saberestar » Sat Dec 4, 2021 5:43 pm

bwgood77 wrote:
Saberestar wrote:Question:

If Thaddeus Young is waived in January (for example) can we offer him a bigger contract than other teams? Or he can just get the minimum? I am not sure about that.


Pretty sure we can still offer him the rest of our MLE so saving almost half of it could be good...maybe kind of a plan when they didn't use it. He will likely get bought out if they let him go and not waived so he could accept less from them if he knew he'd get a decent amount from us.

There may be a team that would start him though. Funny thing is the team that is near the top of the standings that could use him the post may be Chicago. In the west Denver could possibly start him or at least give him a lot of minutes.

Ok, that's what I thought so we can pay him $4.5M for the rest of the season. I doubt any contender would pay him that much.
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Post#1200 » by bwgood77 » Sat Dec 4, 2021 5:45 pm

I am most worried about Payne. Over 50% from 3 in the bubble to 44% last year to under 33% last year and from 2 down to 44% which is lower than his last year in the NBA before going overseas. It's not a terribly small sample size either. Was last year and the bubble (which if you add those 8 to last year regular season it's still less than a whole season) an anomaly? I sure hope not. What he was doing from 3 since joining us was definitely not sustainable but he had really regressed to where he was before he left the NBA before.

We NEED a solid backup pg. His play or playing Payton at backup PG is not enough if we are going to compete and withstand guard injuries. It has been nice to overcome it so far but not sure if that continues as teams get healthier and add key guys back down the stretch and then the playoffs. We are still among the best but need that backup especially with the chance of a Paul or Book injury. He won't play as bad as he did last night often but he wasn't playing good at all overall this season anyway. I hope his work ethic outside of games didn't go down after getting his contract.
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