NBA MVP Discussion Thread 2023-24

[eyeatoma]

Let’s see how the 76ers fair without their second best player tonight

They have been doing well without Harden.

Embiid also did well without Simmons.

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Well they are not tonight. They are missing their second best player.

See you say things like this and then you tell me that I don't like Jokic....

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[Wolfgang630]

They have been doing well without Harden.

Embiid also did well without Simmons.

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Well they are not tonight. They are missing their second best player.

See you say things like this and then you tell me that I don't like Jokic....

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You’re the one who started making comments on how bad the Nuggets are without Murray. It’s hard to win in today’s NBA without your second guy. All these teams they played including Pelicans, Rockets and Magic are better teams compared to last year. The Nuggets are also the champions so they’re getting everyone’s best shot on top of that. It makes it a lot harder for them to win with these factors in play.

[eyeatoma]

Well they are not tonight. They are missing their second best player.

See you say things like this and then you tell me that I don't like Jokic....

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You’re the one who started making comments on how bad the Nuggets are without Murray. It’s hard to win in today’s NBA without your second guy. All these teams they played including Pelicans, Rockets and Magic are better teams compared to last year. The Nuggets are also the champions so they’re getting everyone’s best shot on top of that. It makes it a lot harder for them to win with these factors in play.

The Nuggets are not a great team without Murray. That's not an insult, that's a fact. They will compete, but they'll hover around 550, maybe 600. Not as bad as when MPJ was also hurt, but without Murray and Bruce Brown they're not the same.

[AleksandarN]

They have been doing well without Harden.

Embiid also did well without Simmons.

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Well they are not tonight. They are missing their second best player.

See you say things like this and then you tell me that I don't like Jokic....

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Hey if you say stupid crap all the time so can I

[LordCovington33]

It’s hard reading this thread. A trainwreck with childish “you started it first” comments. lol

[AleksandarN]

See you say things like this and then you tell me that I don't like Jokic....

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You’re the one who started making comments on how bad the Nuggets are without Murray. It’s hard to win in today’s NBA without your second guy. All these teams they played including Pelicans, Rockets and Magic are better teams compared to last year. The Nuggets are also the champions so they’re getting everyone’s best shot on top of that. It makes it a lot harder for them to win with these factors in play.

The Nuggets are not a great team without Murray. That's not an insult, that's a fact. They will compete, but they'll hover around 550, maybe 600. Not as bad as when MPJ was also hurt, but without Murray and Bruce Brown they're not the same.

Btw I agree we are not a championship team without our second best player. That what happens when you don’t have one single all nba player all star all defense player on your team other than Jokic. Who else has been able to drag a team like that. Lebron? Dirk?

[eyeatoma]

Well they are not tonight. They are missing their second best player.

See you say things like this and then you tell me that I don't like Jokic....

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Hey if you say stupid crap all the time so can I

LOL, all I've said this season was tht Jokic started slow, and he's not great at defense. Neither one of those are horrible things to say about him. You take these comments way too personally as well. If you consider the stuff I say to be stupid then don't respond to me.

[AleksandarN]

See you say things like this and then you tell me that I don't like Jokic....

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Hey if you say stupid crap all the time so can I

LOL, all I've said this season was tht Jokic started slow, and he's not great at defense. Neither one of those are horrible things to say about him. You take these comments way too personally as well. If you consider the stuff I say to be stupid then don't respond to me.

Not all the time. I just agreed with you in your last post above.

[Cubbies2120]

You’re the one who started making comments on how bad the Nuggets are without Murray. It’s hard to win in today’s NBA without your second guy. All these teams they played including Pelicans, Rockets and Magic are better teams compared to last year. The Nuggets are also the champions so they’re getting everyone’s best shot on top of that. It makes it a lot harder for them to win with these factors in play.

The Nuggets are not a great team without Murray. That's not an insult, that's a fact. They will compete, but they'll hover around 550, maybe 600. Not as bad as when MPJ was also hurt, but without Murray and Bruce Brown they're not the same.

Btw I agree we are not a championship team without our second best player. That what happens when you don’t have one single all nba player all star all defense player on your team other than Jokic. Who else has been able to drag a team like that. Lebron? Dirk?

The list of guys capable of dragging less than spectacular teams to titles starts with Hakeem, goes through Duncan and Dirk, and ends with Jokic. How often does a team wins a title with just one superstar and no all star teammates? There’s a reason legends of the game have come out to give him his flowers.

Meanwhile I look across the aisle at Embiid and see him failing to reach the ECF with Jimmy Butler and Ben Simmons, then James Harden, and after this season with Maxey. And with each limp and flaccid playoff performance leading to an early flame out, suddenly reports leak about how Embiid was injured.

Just like how he’s out today against the twin towers, but will 100% play against the Thunder to boost his averages. Or how he mysteriously only manages to match up with Jokic and Gobert when he has home court advantage.

The ultimate front runner and quintessential “Giant Midget”.

[HotRocks34]

The list of guys capable of dragging less than spectacular teams to titles starts with Hakeem, goes through Duncan and Dirk, and ends with Jokic.

Good list.

[Wolfgang630]

Nights like tonight make Luka look like a low IQ player at times. Just jacking up 3’s when he keeps missing. Just another inefficient night from him.

[iggymcfrack]

It's late November. I wasn't aware that we already had 90 game sample sizes.

This topic is also called "NBA MVP Discussion Thread 2023-24" last I checked.

No player has more than a dozen or so games under their belt this early in the season, and this topic is presumably intended to be a continuous discussion of the MVP race as we progress through this season.

If others can talk about the Jokic's blistering start to the regular season, or the dominant stretch Giannis is on, then I can mention the efficiency and effectiveness KD has been playing with the past week, all resulting in Ws.

KD’s played fantastic. He’s surprised me with how well he’s played. In a lot of years, he’d be a legit MVP candidate. This year though, he’s clearly behind at least Jokic, Hali, Tatum, Embiid, SGA, Curry, and LeBron though. He’s in the next tier with Luka, Mitchell, and Barnes.

If KD continues his current trend, he will absolutely be in the conversation with Jokic and anybody else. He barely misses, he's percentage points away from leading the league in scoring, he is logging near triple doubles every night and his team has won each of those games.

If we get to two weeks from now, and he's still doing what he's doing, and his team is still winning, he is a legit MVP frontrunner.

Leaders by EPM
Jokic 7.7
SGA 7.5
Embiid 7.3
Haliburton 6.7
LeBron 6.2
Steph 5.9
Chet 5.7
Barnes 5.4
Mitchell 5.3
Tatum 4.9
Durant 4.9

Leaders by BPM
Jokic 14.3
Haliburton 9.8
Embiid 9.7
SGA 9.2
Steph 8.8
LeBron 8.8
Mitchell 7.9
Luka 7.4
Sengun 6.9
Porzingis 6.4
Barnes 6.2
Giannis 6.0
Tatum 6.0
Maxey 5.9
Durant 5.8

[mdonnelly1989]

Top 5 in some order

Jokic
Embiid
Halliburton
Fox
KD

Right on the cusp

Lebron
Curry
Tatum
Shai

Rationale for not having Giannis in the "Right on the cusp" - I'm not going to say Giannis is blowing anyone away right now, but I have him above LBJ and KD

Yeah Giannis and Luka have to get a mention surely

Ah yeah good call. This was off the top of my head. They are in the H/M category. Giannis might actually be top 5.

[lethalizer]

SGA about to enter this convo with a bang if he keeps this up..

Schedule was a bit light, now the real test for the team starts with games coming up against 76ers, Wolves, Lakers and Mavs all coming up.

[iggymcfrack]

The list of guys capable of dragging less than spectacular teams to titles starts with Hakeem, goes through Duncan and Dirk, and ends with Jokic.

Good list.

You guys miss 2016? Weren’t the Cavs something like 3-20 when Bron didn’t play over his stint there? Kyrie’s teams have been better with him in street clothes than playing for 2 straight teams since leaving LeBron.

[iggymcfrack]

SGA about to enter this convo with a bang if he keeps this up..

Schedule was a bit light, now the real test for the team starts with games coming up against 76ers, Wolves, Lakers and Mavs all coming up.

He’s in the conversation all right. I feel like it’s:

(roughly ordered within tiers)

Tier I: Jokic
Tier II: Hali, Embiid, SGA, LeBron, Curry
Tier III: Luka, Mitchell, KD, Barnes
Tier IV: Giannis, Butler, AD, Chet, Edwards

[DrModesty]

SGA about to enter this convo with a bang if he keeps this up..

Schedule was a bit light, now the real test for the team starts with games coming up against 76ers, Wolves, Lakers and Mavs all coming up.

He’s in the conversation all right. I feel like it’s:

(roughly ordered within tiers)

Tier I: Jokic
Tier II: Hali, Embiid, SGA, LeBron, Curry
Tier III: Luka, Mitchell, KD, Barnes
Tier IV: Giannis, Butler, AD, Chet, Edwards

I have it fairly significantly different to this.

Tier 1: Jokic, Embiid, SGA, Giannis
Tier 2: Hali, Curry, Tatum, Luka, Lebron, Bam
Tier 3: Edwards, KD, Mitchell, AD, Maxey

Tier need to play more games: Fox, Booker

There are other good players, but not realistically in an MVP discussion unless they perform better.

No clear cut favorite at all yet.

[Exp0sed]

I love how giannis sits out for back to backs it's load management. Embiid it's ducking. The dude is constantly injured obviously he'll sit out some games. Giannis has missed more games than Embiid last season and this season but Embiid is ducking. Embiid has consistently pwned Gobert in the past he's not ducking anyone. The gaslighting on here is hilarious.

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lol, you are funny as hell

yes, Giannis sits b2b sometimes as well
Minny is first in the West, Gobert, KAT and Naz Reid all rollin' and it's a really tough game playing in Minny against the league's best defense so a team could sure use an MVP in a night like that, ya know? If i'd be his teammate I know how I would feel about that, lol

Giannis doesn't consistently duck the toughest parts of the schedule, period.
how can you defend this behavior or act like just he's just randomly out tonight of all nights?

like that fiasco in Denver where he played a game right before and played a game right after but was "injured" just on the night of the Denver game, just call a spade a spade, ur embarassing urself by refusing to do so

[Exp0sed]

See you say things like this and then you tell me that I don't like Jokic....

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Hey if you say stupid crap all the time so can I

LOL, all I've said this season was tht Jokic started slow, and he's not great at defense. Neither one of those are horrible things to say about him. You take these comments way too personally as well. If you consider the stuff I say to be stupid then don't respond to me.

started slow?

[Exp0sed]

Well they are not tonight. They are missing their second best player.

See you say things like this and then you tell me that I don't like Jokic....

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You’re the one who started making comments on how bad the Nuggets are without Murray. It’s hard to win in today’s NBA without your second guy. All these teams they played including Pelicans, Rockets and Magic are better teams compared to last year. The Nuggets are also the champions so they’re getting everyone’s best shot on top of that. It makes it a lot harder for them to win with these factors in play.

yup and like the Denver experts argued, it hurts when Jackson is taking his mins all Denver has to take Jackson's mins are rookies like Julian, Pickett and the raw Watson

the league is bonkers rn and the IST (which i hate btw) seems to be firing up some middling teams. that's especially true vs. the champions where everyone gives their best effort

The West in particular is just stacked with talent, this is an historically strong West

Jokic played phenomenally tonight and has been outstanding all season long. that bs ejection hurt his counting stats a bit but he's dominating the league and simply is a joy to watch