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Re: Bulls and Noah agree to Contract extension 

Post#121 » by Magilla_Gorilla » Mon Oct 4, 2010 1:00 pm

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The Webb wrote:Not sure why some of your fans are having an issue with this. You have a good young center, anything under 14 a year is a good contract in my opinion.


I question it because you are doing the always dangerous "let's pay him after one year" contract. It's a gamble for sure. Can work out great (if he stays healthy and was productive as he was last year) or it can blow up (not big enough to stop the elite centers, if a hard cap comes, do you want to pay that much for your third best player that isn't really a scorer). To sit here and say unequivocally that this is a good or bad deal is wrong. There are risks to both sides of doing this or not.



It wasn't one year. He's gotten better every year. Look at his splits from his second season. Whether he gets 10 minutes or 36, the kid produces.
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Re: Bulls and Noah agree to Contract extension 

Post#122 » by Benedict Miller » Mon Oct 4, 2010 1:08 pm

We should be happy that we got Noah back period. I remember when there were trade talks envolving Noah and Bosh, but realizing Noah's importance to the team, some Bulls fans did not want to give up Noah. Same goes for the Melo trade rumors...Seems like Noah is what other teams want from the Bulls...Not to mention Noah out performs his season stats in the playoffs...Why do commentators say that Noah's the type of player you want on a championship team? Because He steps his game up against whoever he faces in the playoffs, what other big man would've made that play against the Celtics in that situation? Noah brings more than just stats, he brings a winning mentality and plays with heart and soul.
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Re: Bulls and Noah agree to Contract extension 

Post#123 » by Jvaughn » Mon Oct 4, 2010 1:10 pm

DanTown8587 wrote:First, this isn't a far off possibility the RFA kills contracts.


Players Union isn't going to let contracts get slaughtered. I can see them getting modified, but not to the point that conspiracy theorists are suggesting. And even if they did, then Noah's contract would get adjusted to the point that it would have the same effect to the new cap. According to player union officials, negotiations have gone surprisingly well, so I don't see a huge change upcoming.

Second, the "Noah was getting more than this" is a strange statement. Only the big eight FA got more than this over the summer, don't see Noah on that list.


Legitimate 2 way centers are not easy to find. Legitimate centers that affect the game the way Noah does are even harder to find. Noah was going to get paid nicely next summer. There are always teams out there that are willing to overpay. Had Noah been a FA this past summer, I don't see anyway he wouldn't have got that contract he was looking for.

Third, Noah was vital last year. But right now why is no one yelling that Noah defensively is a liability against elite teams like Carmelo would be? There seems to be an awful lot of cherry picking regarding the two guys (by both sides) instead of the legit concerns/strengths of both.


Noah's defensive shortcomings are due to his lack of strength. Melo's are due to lack of motivation, effort, and skills. One of those can be fixed/adjusted easier than the other. Noah is a good committed defender. He has added strength every year he's been in the league. Will he be a shut down Center against the bigger centers in the league this year? Probably not, but I have more faith in him getting there as the years go on. Melo finally learning to play D after 7 years in the league, I find a lot more doubtful.

Fourth, if you compare Noah to horrible overpaid and universally bad contracts, than yeah Noah's deal looks fine.


If you compare Noah to Centers with close to his contribution, then yeah he looks good. Same as Deng's contract. Im not saying compare him to bad contracts. Im saying compare him to comparable production. The fact that there are so many overpaid centers in the league, just goes to my 2nd point, that Noah would've gotten overpaid had we allowed him to become a RFA. Teams are always willing to overpay for good big men.
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Re: Bulls and Noah agree to Contract extension 

Post#124 » by Jvaughn » Mon Oct 4, 2010 1:11 pm

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The Webb wrote:Not sure why some of your fans are having an issue with this. You have a good young center, anything under 14 a year is a good contract in my opinion.


I question it because you are doing the always dangerous "let's pay him after one year" contract. It's a gamble for sure. Can work out great (if he stays healthy and was productive as he was last year) or it can blow up (not big enough to stop the elite centers, if a hard cap comes, do you want to pay that much for your third best player that isn't really a scorer). To sit here and say unequivocally that this is a good or bad deal is wrong. There are risks to both sides of doing this or not.



It wasn't one year. He's gotten better every year. Look at his splits from his second season. Whether he gets 10 minutes or 36, the kid produces.


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Re: Bulls and Noah agree to Contract extension 

Post#125 » by DanTown8587 » Mon Oct 4, 2010 1:34 pm

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The Webb wrote:Not sure why some of your fans are having an issue with this. You have a good young center, anything under 14 a year is a good contract in my opinion.


I question it because you are doing the always dangerous "let's pay him after one year" contract. It's a gamble for sure. Can work out great (if he stays healthy and was productive as he was last year) or it can blow up (not big enough to stop the elite centers, if a hard cap comes, do you want to pay that much for your third best player that isn't really a scorer). To sit here and say unequivocally that this is a good or bad deal is wrong. There are risks to both sides of doing this or not.



It wasn't one year. He's gotten better every year. Look at his splits from his second season. Whether he gets 10 minutes or 36, the kid produces.


You are paying him to be a 32-35 minute a night 12-10-2 C hopefully. He has done that for one stretch in his career. Granted he has performed well when given chances, I was more alluding to health being an issue and the "how good is he against elite C" argument.
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Re: Bulls and Noah agree to Contract extension 

Post#126 » by Tommy Udo 6 » Mon Oct 4, 2010 1:41 pm

If there was no extension, there would be thread after thread about how cheap JR is.

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Re: Bulls and Noah agree to Contract extension 

Post#127 » by cavsfan_osiris » Mon Oct 4, 2010 1:49 pm

This is great for Chicago. The timing is ironic with this happening right after Booz trips over his bag. Noah is the type of guy I trust with guaranteed money. He's is the type of guy you want in a foxhole with you, Boozer is not.
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Re: Bulls and Noah agree to Contract extension 

Post#128 » by dmk08 » Mon Oct 4, 2010 1:50 pm

Tommy Udo 6 wrote:If there was no extension, there would be thread after thread about how cheap JR is.

Can't please the fans.............

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My stomach is getting upset reading this and the Boozer thread. Fans get what they want then complain the other way. Just like they've been calling Boozer injury prone since day one and now he's injured.. got what you wished for.
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Re: Bulls and Noah agree to Contract extension 

Post#129 » by Babau83 » Mon Oct 4, 2010 1:56 pm

One of the best rebounders in the league,a defensive leader,a youngster....someone explain me why people complains about this! i'm jizzin' in my pants
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Re: Bulls and Noah agree to Contract extension 

Post#130 » by hoofed » Mon Oct 4, 2010 2:01 pm

slight overpay but im very pleased we have him locked up long term.... Even though i wanted us to draft him i never thought hed be a 12 mm per year player and that is so cool!
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Re: Bulls and Noah agree to Contract extension 

Post#131 » by LoveDaBoo » Mon Oct 4, 2010 2:05 pm

Babau83 wrote:One of the best rebounders in the league,a defensive leader,a youngster....someone explain me why people complains about this! i'm jizzin' in my pants

They paid a guy who brings almost no offense $60. Maybe that's what they had to do, but I see no reason to be excited about it. I'm a bit apprehensive about it myself. This has Tyson Chandler potential.
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Re: Bulls and Noah agree to Contract extension 

Post#132 » by Magilla_Gorilla » Mon Oct 4, 2010 2:09 pm

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Babau83 wrote:One of the best rebounders in the league,a defensive leader,a youngster....someone explain me why people complains about this! i'm jizzin' in my pants

They paid a guy who brings almost no offense $60. Maybe that's what they had to do, but I see no reason to be excited about it. I'm a bit apprehensive about it myself. This has Tyson Chandler potential.



Wrong. They paid a C who grabs 3.5 Offensive rebounds per game and averages 2.5 assists 60 milion. The 'he brings no offense' is flat our wrong.
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Re: Bulls and Noah agree to Contract extension 

Post#133 » by Jvaughn » Mon Oct 4, 2010 2:10 pm

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Babau83 wrote:One of the best rebounders in the league,a defensive leader,a youngster....someone explain me why people complains about this! i'm jizzin' in my pants

They paid a guy who brings almost no offense $60. Maybe that's what they had to do, but I see no reason to be excited about it. I'm a bit apprehensive about it myself. This has Tyson Chandler potential.


Not true. Ben Wallace brings you almost no offense. Noah is an efficient offensive player who isn't asked to be a go to post player. If we wanted to dump the ball down there to him on the block, Im sure he could give us more production. But that's not his job. He can score down there, but he is here to rebound, play D, give us those intangibles, and lead this team (outside the normal definition of a leader).
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Re: Bulls and Noah agree to Contract extension 

Post#134 » by aguifs » Mon Oct 4, 2010 2:14 pm

This has Tyson Chandler potential.




You said it all!


By giving Noah that amount of money, are we admitting that he's going to develop an consistent offensive game and average 12 or 13 rpg???? I'm not so sure!!!


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Re: Bulls and Noah agree to Contract extension 

Post#135 » by miamiballer » Mon Oct 4, 2010 2:16 pm

its a lot of money but centers with a pulse cash in nowadays

id say noah is at least twice the worth of a guy like sam dalembert who might get MLE money from sone team this offseason
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Re: Bulls and Noah agree to Contract extension 

Post#136 » by Jvaughn » Mon Oct 4, 2010 2:24 pm

aguifs wrote:
This has Tyson Chandler potential.




You said it all!


By giving Noah that amount of money, are we admitting that he's going to develop an consistent offensive game and average 12 or 13 rpg???? I'm not so sure!!!


BULLS, WHERE OVERPAYING ALWAYS HAPPENS!!!


BULLS WHERE OVERREACTING ALWAYS HAPPENS!! Noah is not Tyson Chandler. He was going to get paid, and he wasn't given some obscene amount of money. He's making the same amount of money as Centers who are much worse than him are making. You'd think people thought we were going to get him for MLE type of money.
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Post#137 » by bad knees » Mon Oct 4, 2010 2:24 pm

Great signing. We refused to include Noah in deals for Bosh and Melo for a reason - because he is a top-8 center who is the heart and soul of the team, and who elevates his game in the playoffs. He is a rare commodity. Of course, there are always risks with any long term contract, but this one is a good deal for the Bulls, and a great deal for Bulls fans.
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Re: Bulls and Noah agree to Contract extension 

Post#138 » by aguifs » Mon Oct 4, 2010 2:30 pm

Wait and see for more 10 years of second round eliminations!


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Re: Bulls and Noah agree to Contract extension 

Post#139 » by Babau83 » Mon Oct 4, 2010 2:37 pm

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Babau83 wrote:One of the best rebounders in the league,a defensive leader,a youngster....someone explain me why people complains about this! i'm jizzin' in my pants

They paid a guy who brings almost no offense $60. Maybe that's what they had to do, but I see no reason to be excited about it. I'm a bit apprehensive about it myself. This has Tyson Chandler potential.

No offense?and all the offensive rebounds he grabs?all the putbacks he does?and his assists?well,he's not the Dream but c'mon...
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Re: Bulls and Noah agree to Contract extension 

Post#140 » by Jvaughn » Mon Oct 4, 2010 2:39 pm

aguifs wrote:Wait and see for more 10 years of second round eliminations!


We're always overpaying for mediocrity! 2004 Detroit Pistons cinderella season won't happen again!


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