Official Raptors 2011 NBA Draft Thread, Part 6

[Rapsobsessed7]

Barring us drafting #1 overall I've got my hopes pinned on Barnes. If we end up with Harrison I'd love to see BC go out and get another top 10 pick to steal Kemba (if that means moving DeRozan, Bargnani, Amir, etc. I wouldn't mind).

i wouldnt move Derozan for Kemba or anyone really outside of Irving. Bargnani sure. I think Barnes is a BC kind of guy, hard worker, easy to coach, good head on his shoulders, smart, good citizen, fits the teams need for a SF. I think if hes on the board BC chooses him. I think him and Ed are familiar with eachother too.

[JamesNaismith]

Barring us drafting #1 overall I've got my hopes pinned on Barnes. If we end up with Harrison I'd love to see BC go out and get another top 10 pick to steal Kemba (if that means moving DeRozan, Bargnani, Amir, etc. I wouldn't mind).

i wouldnt move Derozan for Kemba or anyone really outside of Irving. Bargnani sure. I think Barnes is a BC kind of guy, hard worker, easy to coach, good head on his shoulders, smart, good citizen, fits the teams need for a SF. I think if hes on the board BC chooses him. I think him and Ed are familiar with eachother too.

Agreed!

As we all suspect Kyrie will most likely be off the board when we draft but I'll bet anything Colangelo is looking at a SF and Barnes is the prototype for what BC likes. Also to add to that I think that if Barnes is gone Colangelo will also swing for the homerun in Perry Jones next above Derrick Williams....not that I agree with that move I just think if he doesn't get what he wants then he gambles.

[Rapsobsessed7]

Barring us drafting #1 overall I've got my hopes pinned on Barnes. If we end up with Harrison I'd love to see BC go out and get another top 10 pick to steal Kemba (if that means moving DeRozan, Bargnani, Amir, etc. I wouldn't mind).

i wouldnt move Derozan for Kemba or anyone really outside of Irving. Bargnani sure. I think Barnes is a BC kind of guy, hard worker, easy to coach, good head on his shoulders, smart, good citizen, fits the teams need for a SF. I think if hes on the board BC chooses him. I think him and Ed are familiar with eachother too.

Agreed!

As we all suspect Kyrie will most likely be off the board when we draft but I'll bet anything Colangelo is looking at a SF and Barnes is the prototype for what BC likes. Also to add to that I think that if Barnes is gone Colangelo will also swing for the homerun in Perry Jones next above Derrick Williams....not that I agree with that move I just think if he doesn't get what he wants then he gambles.

yup i could also see him drafting Perry. I just think that Perry will surprise people in workouts same with Kanter and they will shoot up draft boards and hopefully barnes is there when we pick.

[A_wildstabatanything]

Let me break things down for y'all: Kemba Walker will be absolute **** in the NBA. His ceiling is a few inches above the floor. All-star potential? Are you **** serious? Walker doesn't even have the potential to be a starter on a winning team.

I'll be saving this one. Kemba's skill set is much much more impressive than DeMar's. I get that people are worried about his size, but they're vastly underrating his playmaking skills. Right now he's got very little to work with at UCONN. You give him an athletic skilled big to work with in the pick & roll and he's going to be absolutely lethal.... I f'n guaratee it.

[Comeatme_Bro]

Let me break things down for y'all: Kemba Walker will be absolute **** in the NBA. His ceiling is a few inches above the floor. All-star potential? Are you **** serious? Walker doesn't even have the potential to be a starter on a winning team.

I'll be saving this one. Kemba's skill set is much much more impressive than DeMar's. I get that people are worried about his size, but they're vastly underrating his playmaking skills. Right now he's got very little to work with at UCONN. You give him an athletic skilled big to work with in the pick & roll and he's going to be absolutely lethal.... I f'n guaratee it.

If the raptors really want Kemba on this team then I'd rather give up bargnani for him. DeMar and Kemba are already familiar with each other and that can only be good for our team chemistry.

[Prestige]

I think most posters would be on board with giving up anybody outside of Demar/Ed and perhaps Amir for a second lotto pick.

[5DOM]

I'll be saving this one. Kemba's skill set is much much more impressive than DeMar's. I get that people are worried about his size, but they're vastly underrating his playmaking skills. Right now he's got very little to work with at UCONN. You give him an athletic skilled big to work with in the pick & roll and he's going to be absolutely lethal.... I f'n guaratee it.

If the raptors really want Kemba on this team then I'd rather give up bargnani for him. DeMar and Kemba are already familiar with each other and that can only be good for our team chemistry.

Not entirely convinced that's a good enough reason but I tend to agree. The problem is that I doubt anyone trades their top 5-10 pick for Bargnani.

[JamesNaismith]

yup i could also see him drafting Perry. I just think that Perry will surprise people in workouts same with Kanter and they will shoot up draft boards and hopefully barnes is there when we pick.

The only issue I have is I can easily see Washington having their eyes on Barnes!


Wall still needs to improve his shot, the team needs better "character" guys as well and I can see them wanting to utilize Wall to utilize Barnes much in the same way Rondo uses Ray Allen....not that Harrison is at that level of shooting but he has a nice shot and it would open up the lanes for Wall to work in; that would be a great fit for them too imo.

Then if SAC picks ahead of us I think they take Derrick Williams cuz although Perry has huge potential like Cousins right now the personalities aren't gelling that well out there. Williams seems like a blue collar player that could be a good glue guy between Reke and DMC.

...and idk why I have this feeling but I think the Pistons will win the draft; not sure what it is but I think it happens and if so I have no idea who Cleveland would gun for.

[CunningLinguist]

Let me break things down for y'all: Kemba Walker will be absolute **** in the NBA. His ceiling is a few inches above the floor. All-star potential? Are you **** serious? Walker doesn't even have the potential to be a starter on a winning team.

This is the kind of absolute statement that can end up in someone's sig down the road.

[10DeRozan10]

This is the kind of absolute statement that can end up in someone's sig down the road.

What do you call this then?

I'll be saving this one. Kemba's skill set is much much more impressive than DeMar's. I get that people are worried about his size, but they're vastly underrating his playmaking skills. Right now he's got very little to work with at UCONN. You give him an athletic skilled big to work with in the pick & roll and he's going to be absolutely lethal.... I f'n guaratee it.

[CunningLinguist]

This is the kind of absolute statement that can end up in someone's sig down the road.

What do you call this then?

I'll be saving this one. Kemba's skill set is much much more impressive than DeMar's. I get that people are worried about his size, but they're vastly underrating his playmaking skills. Right now he's got very little to work with at UCONN. You give him an athletic skilled big to work with in the pick & roll and he's going to be absolutely lethal.... I f'n guaratee it.

Not my statement.

[Cool-Hand-Luke]

Barnes had a rocky year at UNC. He finished strong and put himself back in the top 5. Could he be the high risk, high reward type player we are looking for? This guy could be an all-star or Marvin Williams.

Would it not be wise to pick a safe BPA i.e. Kanter, Jones and go for gold in 2012?

Is it better to take a risk in a weak draft class or a strong draft class? Let's ask Joe Dumars.

[bboyskinnylegs]

Barnes had a rocky year at UNC. He finished strong and put himself back in the top 5. Could he be the high risk, high reward type player we are looking for? This guy could be an all-star or Marvin Williams.

Would it not be wise to pick a safe BPA i.e. Kanter, Jones and go for gold in 2012?

Is it better to take a risk in a weak draft class or a strong draft class? Let's ask Joe Dumars.

I guess it's all perception right? We haven't been able to see Kanter play all year, and if anything this year Jones demonstrated that he may not be well-suited to playing as a big man at the next level (although he was very efficient). So you could very well make the case that Barnes is the 'safe' pick over them.

Personally I like Kanter and Jones better than Barnes, but not for the same reasons--I actually think their ceilings are much higher, but they could be riskier picks (Jones because we haven't seen him play as a wing, which is what I think he is at the next level, and Kanter because we haven't been able to see him play this year).

[The Duke]

So wait ppl think that Bargs can net us a lower lotto pick?

[bboyskinnylegs]

So wait ppl think that Bargs can net us a lower lotto pick?

If we're willing to take on some crap contracts like Gooden/Maggette/CV/Rip/Gordon/Garcia+Udrih, yeah, I think so.

[phailing101]

So wait ppl think that Bargs can net us a lower lotto pick?

LOL not a chance and its certainly not worth taking on a bad contract for.

[bboyskinnylegs]

So wait ppl think that Bargs can net us a lower lotto pick?

LOL not a chance and its certainly not worth taking on a bad contract for.

I think it's definitely worth taking on a bad contract for, especially considering that there's a good chance that whatever 'bad contract' we take would save us longterm money vs. Bargs' deal. You get the benefit of addition by subtraction, as well as a new lotto prospect to try out.

[MEDIC]

So wait ppl think that Bargs can net us a lower lotto pick?

<BR itxtNodeId="885">If we're willing to take on some crap contracts like Gooden/Maggette/CV/Rip/Gordon/Garcia+Udrih, yeah, I think so.

I don't. Outside of Garcia/ Udrih & Gooden, the players you listed are arguably similar level players to Bargnani.

It's not like Bargnani's contract is short term. Why would a team give up a long term contract, plus their first round lottery pick for another long term contract (especially when the player they are getting in return is a 1 way player).

The only way I see Bargnani being traded is:

- BC totally gives up on the guy & tries to dump him.
- Another team is wanting to get younger & trades a veteran player with a similar contract for him

I really don't see any team that has a lottery pick, giving up that pick for him.

Would a team like Orlando give up their 1st rounder? Possibly. But their pick aint worth squat.

I'd be interested in a Varejao/ Bargnani swap. Anything less than that, I'd have to pass.

[MEDIC]

Let me break things down for y'all: Kemba Walker will be absolute **** in the NBA. His ceiling is a few inches above the floor. All-star potential? Are you **** serious? Walker doesn't even have the potential to be a starter on a winning team.

I'm not saying he'll be an allstar, but I would be very surprised if he didn't reach Ty Lawson level (if not better). That's a pretty useful player. Lots of people on this board have been wanting a Ty Lawson level PG on this team for a few years now. My projection for Kemba is at least a healthy TJ ford with better interior passing ability. From a defensive standpoint, Kemba is a much more stocky player, so he won't have the issues that TJ had getting pushed around so easily.

I think outside of Kyrie, Kemba will be the best PG from this class over the next few seasons.

I think Knight has bust potential, whereas Kemba doesn't.

I can't wait for the game tonight to more closely compare these players.

Edit: Hopefully BC wins us a top 3 pick & we don't have to worry about the Knight/ Walker debate.

[RaptorReloaded]

Agreed Medic tonights game will be awsome. IMOP I like Knight more then Kemba but I do see the holes in his game that can turn people off of him. Kemba has better moves going towards the basket. Examples being finger rolls and and using his body in the air to fake and take contact while Knight seems to fall inlove with this sketchy floater/ tear drop. Both are good jump shooters but I'll give the edge to Knight just because it looks so effortless when he shoots.
Still tonight will be a great game to watch to see how the two stack up against each other. only 3 hours cant wait.