Draft Thread Part 2

[saintEscaton]

Brown is a prototypical wing forward who can play the small ball 4, he's not a swingman with guard skills he will eventually realize that and learn how to play within the flow of an offense. I'm sure bwgood is pleased with Rabb staying, but this increases the likelihood of a team reaching for Chriss in the Top 10 and narrowing our selection of bigs with the Wiz pick, I'm leaning towards Deyonta Davis there.

[gaspar]

Brown is like a bigger and stronger version of Archie Goodwin - great tools but very little basketball skills.

[MathiasPW]

Some more names to add to the "shoot for the stars" list:

Dejounte Murray : 6,5' SG - #33 on DX. Brandon Knight with better handles and worse shooting (easier to fix)

Caris Levert 6,7' SG - #42 on DX. Good all around combo guard whose draft stock has been destroyed due to two injuries.

Cheick Diallo - 6,9' PF #34 on DX. Long and agile, good rebounder and raw in everything else, was buried behind an older frontcourt in Kansas and barely played. Might stay in school to improve

[Mulhollanddrive]

I don't like Brown at all:

Season - 29% 3PT, 65% FT, 48% 2PT (Can't shoot but beats college kids inside with power)
Tournment - 5 / 29 FG, 14 Turnovers in 3 games (Can't shoot or handle at all against the best)

But think he's a McDonough prototype selection - Two-way athletic beast, Freshman, basically a SF version of Bledsoe who they'll try to teach to shoot and handle. Bledsoe, Warren, Tucker have become solid 3 point shooters, so they'll project being able to do similar.

So my assessment compared to a consensus 'par' of the top 7:

+ Simmons, Hield, Murray
- Ingram, Bender, Dunn, Brown

[bwgood77]

Brown is a prototypical wing who can play the small ball 4, he's not a swingman with guard skills he will eventually realize that and learn how to play within the flow of an offense. I'm sure bwgood is pleased with Rabb staying, but this increases the likelihood of a team reaching for Chriss in the Top 10 and narrowing our selection of bigs with the Wiz pick, I'm leaning towards Deyonta Davis there.

I'd be fine with Deyonta Davis. Probably safer than Chriss too. Good rebounder and shot blocker...range out to 17 feet, good defender and athletic. I haven't mentioned him much, but I'd probably actually be just as happy with him as Chriss, and less nervous about the weaknesses. I definitely like his potential better than most of the other PFs.

I kind of go back and forth between him, Chriss and Sabonis. It just depends on what we value most...high IQ and highest floor or athleticism and high upside but also potentially lower floor. The only thing I prefer with Chriss as opposed to Davis is the 3 pt shooting and maybe he's a little better shot blocker, but Davis makes up for it with the rebounding differential.

Both Davis and Chriss are super raw though. Davis is also apparently extremely shy. http://spartanavenue.com/2016/03/24/5-reasons-why-deyonta-davis-should-return-to-michigan-state-for-sophomore-year/

Not that it matters, but Bledsoe and Warren were the same way and it might take guys like that longer to really gel with the team.

[Mulhollanddrive]

Picking up a guy who averages 7 and 5 in the lottery, you know it's a weak draft.

[bwgood77]

I don't like Brown at all:

Season - 29% 3PT, 65% FT, 48% 2PT (Can't shoot but beats college kids inside with power)
Tournment - 5 / 29 FG, 14 Turnovers in 3 games (Can't shoot or handle at all against the best)

But think he's a McDonough prototype selection - Two-way athletic beast, Freshman, basically a SF version of Bledsoe who they'll try to teach to shoot and handle. Bledsoe, Warren, Tucker have become solid 3 point shooters, so they'll project being able to do similar.

You have to wonder though, if McD is finally ready to see Warren fight for that starting role, would Brown just be a guy to learn from Tucker and take over when/if Tucker goes? For all we know, to the horror of many fans, McD may want to keep Tucker next offseason.

The only position he hasn't drafted in the first round so far is a PF. Now he would be reaching to take Davis, Chriss or Sabonis at #5, so maybe he trades down, but I don't think you can spend that high of a pick on a guy like this. Not the way the league is today where you need to have shooters everywhere.

Gaspar made good comparison. He is like a Goodwin...as smart as a guy as Brown seems to be outside of basketball (see Brandon Knight) he doesn't seem to be a smart player, or the type of player needed today. As long as it took Warren to develop a 3, why would they take another guy with not only no range, but not much of a midrange game either.

Someone on the draft forum posted a highlight video and it was layup after layup...seemed like all he did was take it to the rack. It's like a 4 minute video and it is almost the 3 minute mark before you see him take a shot.

[Mulhollanddrive]

I recently read Marquese Chriss had only started playing basketball 4 years ago.

That makes his projection for when he's 23 very interesting, basically double his basketball life even before reaching peak.

The Mock Draft sites that see him more than we do have him as low as 15-18 though.

[darealjuice]

I'm a big fan of us trading back from our pick to 7 or 8 if we end up with the 4th or 5th picks and drafting Marquese Chriss there. We might as well swing for the fences and go for the guy with probably the highest upside outside of the top 2 or 3 draft picks. He's only been playing competitively for a few years and he's already developed an offensive skill set that is definitely sought after in the NBA right now. Rebounding is his biggest issue, but I suspect that it's his positioning and technique that are getting him into trouble, because his rebounding numbers on the offensive end suggest that he has the ability to get the ball off the rim. All the physical tools are there, he's got crazy leaping ability, a quick first step, and a good frame to build on, he just needs to develop a better feel for the game. Another year might have been good for him, but if we could work him into 15-20 minutes a game his rookie season he'll develop far more in the NBA than in college. With some polish, he could definitely turn out to be a great option as our power forward of the future.

Also, sucks to see Rabb out. He was one of my favorite bigs in the draft, and he's probably making a mistake if he's planning on going into next years stacked draft class.

[jcsunsfan]

I'm a big fan of us trading back from our pick to 7 or 8 if we end up with the 4th or 5th picks and drafting Marquese Chriss there. We might as well swing for the fences and go for the guy with probably the highest upside outside of the top 2 or 3 draft picks. He's only been playing competitively for a few years and he's already developed an offensive skill set that is definitely sought after in the NBA right now. Rebounding is his biggest issue, but I suspect that it's his positioning and technique that are getting him into trouble, because his rebounding numbers on the offensive end suggest that he has the ability to get the ball off the rim. All the physical tools are there, he's got crazy leaping ability, a quick first step, and a good frame to build on, he just needs to develop a better feel for the game. Another year might have been good for him, but if we could work him into 15-20 minutes a game his rookie season he'll develop far more in the NBA than in college. With some polish, he could definitely turn out to be a great option as our power forward of the future.

Also, sucks to see Rabb out. He was one of my favorite bigs in the draft, and he's probably making a mistake if he's planning on going into next years stacked draft class.

He should talk to Alex Poythress or Perry Ellis.

[saintEscaton]

I don't like Brown at all:

Season - 29% 3PT, 65% FT, 48% 2PT (Can't shoot but beats college kids inside with power)
Tournment - 5 / 29 FG, 14 Turnovers in 3 games (Can't shoot or handle at all against the best)

But think he's a McDonough prototype selection - Two-way athletic beast, Freshman, basically a SF version of Bledsoe who they'll try to teach to shoot and handle. Bledsoe, Warren, Tucker have become solid 3 point shooters, so they'll project being able to do similar.

You have to wonder though, if McD is finally ready to see Warren fight for that starting role, would Brown just be a guy to learn from Tucker and take over when/if Tucker goes? For all we know, to the horror of many fans, McD may want to keep Tucker next offseason.

The only position he hasn't drafted in the first round so far is a PF. Now he would be reaching to take Davis, Chriss or Sabonis at #5, so maybe he trades down, but I don't think you can spend that high of a pick on a guy like this. Not the way the league is today where you need to have shooters everywhere.

Gaspar made good comparison. He is like a Goodwin...as smart as a guy as Brown seems to be outside of basketball (see Brandon Knight) he doesn't seem to be a smart player, or the type of player needed today. As long as it took Warren to develop a 3, why would they take another guy with not only no range, but not much of a midrange game either.

Someone on the draft forum posted a highlight video and it was layup after layup...seemed like all he did was take it to the rack. It's like a 4 minute video and it is almost the 3 minute mark before you see him take a shot.

I've watched most of the Cal games. Brown flashed promise creating separation off the bounce with misdirections crossovers, hesitation and jabsteps. He has the fast twitch muscles to blow by anyone, initiate and finish through contact and can pivot well enough to post up mismatches, so I think he is superior prospect to Archie who is merely a straightline driver. His biggest issue is that he just doesn’t take what the defense gives him and isn’t good enough to be featured in a NBA half court offense without a reliable pull up J or running floater to make up for his lack of a faceup game. Most of his scoring comes assisted and he is ineffective when not dominating the ball. If you want a DeMarre Carroll/Jae Crowder type SF, Taurean Green is a better bet later in the first round or Luwawu who may be Batum Lite or pre-ACL Shumpert with less on ball defense and better spot up shooting

[Jarlaxle0204]

I'm not really thinking about Brown since I don't think he'll be available with the Wizards pick and we certainly aren't drafting him #1 overall when we win the lottery.

[RationalGaze]

I'm not really thinking about Brown since I don't think he'll be available with the Wizards pick and we certainly aren't drafting him #1 overall when we win the lottery.

You all taking Dragan number 1 I take it?

[MrMiyagi]

I'm not really thinking about Brown since I don't think he'll be available with the Wizards pick and we certainly aren't drafting him #1 overall when we win the lottery.

You all taking Dragan number 1 I take it?

[bwgood77]

I'm not really thinking about Brown since I don't think he'll be available with the Wizards pick and we certainly aren't drafting him #1 overall when we win the lottery.

You all taking Dragan number 1 I take it?

Miyagi, I'm not sure I remember (if you have said) who you'd like to take in the draft, if we pick, for example, 3rd.

[Waylay13]

For me with the 3rd pick I would start by trying to down a couple or trading Clevelands, Washington and the second round pick to move up. There are 2 main weakness that the Suns face in a power forward and a good small forward (I like Warren but I think he is best as a 6th man). So I am looking at Brown or Luwawu and Davis since Rabb isnt in the draft.

[bwgood77]

For me with the 3rd pick I would start by trying to down a couple or trading Clevelands, Washington and the second round pick to move up. There are 2 main weakness that the Suns face in a power forward and a good small forward (I like Warren but I think he is best as a 6th man). So I am looking at Brown or Luwawu and Davis since Rabb isnt in the draft.

Welcome to the forums. Nice to hear some new opinions.

[No-Man]

I'd be really lost with a 4th pick right now honestly, no idea who to pick, it would be somebody between Chriss and Luwawu, I guess.

[jcsunsfan]

BTW. I chose Simmons. I really like Ingram and he has real length and abilities. But Simmons has a sort of transcendental talent. While I was concerned with his attitude at LSU, I am wondering if he just got bored with the college game and the lack of success of his team. He is a facilitator, but its hard to do that if the talent around you is poor or undisciplined. His potential is just too high to pass up. People compare him to Boris Diaw or Lamar Odom. But the absolute most optimistic view might be Magic.

[saintEscaton]

Magic was the functional equivalent of a PG who just happend to be 6'9, Simmons is strictly a playmaking forward who can initate an half court offense as a secondary ballhandler but wil rack the lion shares of assists in transition. Sure he can make the flashy behind the back passes and thread the needle but he's not a floor general who dictates the pace. He is like a more cerebreal Blake Griffin with shorter arms and less athleticism but better vision who can be a nightly triple double threat