Welcome Furkan Korkmaz

Kolkmania · Post #121 » by **Kolkmania** » Mon May 8, 2017 8:36 am

I've seen a couple games and he's impressive on the offensive end. Defensively it's a huge mess. Primary question is if he'll benefit more from being in an NBA environment and playing in the D-League or playing big minutes in one of the best competitions in Europe.

My personal preference goes to the latter, but invest in him and let a personal trainer guide him throughout the season. He has to add some serious weight and focus on defense. Plus, starting your rookie contract a year later is always huge for financial reasons.

rzzzzz · Post #122 » by **rzzzzz** » Mon May 8, 2017 2:53 pm

Kolkmania wrote: Plus, starting your rookie contract a year later is always huge for financial reasons.

?? where do you get that? granted, with his current contract in Turkey, the longer he waits, the less Furkan has to pay to get out of it. but the biggest buyout hit was last year. generally, the quicker you start your rookie contract, the sooner you complete it and are eligible for the really big bucks, if you're any good.
(if you're talking about the team's finances, yeah, it could be good for them if he showed up later, but that's not their choice. folks drafted in the first round have the right to report immediately, or as soon as they want, within several years' timeframe. clubs can't draft someone and refuse to let them report. though under the circumstances, i guess they could work out a buyout and let him negotiate with anybody else who might be interested.)

Post #123 » by **Foshan** » Tue May 9, 2017 1:12 am

i think he mant team finances, not Korkmaz's

i remember all the media thinking dario would stay one more year to gt out of his rookie scale obligation and just sign here. I'd much rather korkmaz come a year earlier then decide to stay until he can come over just as a FA that we have to sign to bigger money.

jbent87 · Post #124 » by **jbent87** » Tue May 9, 2017 1:29 pm

This guys never coming over.

Sorry, I know this had to have been said already.

Negrodamus · Post #125 » by **Negrodamus** » Fri May 12, 2017 12:52 am

Didn't see this posted

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Post #126 » by **Foshan** » Fri May 12, 2017 1:50 am

cool, lets do it

76thBearCub · Post #127 » by **76thBearCub** » Fri May 12, 2017 2:56 am

If he brings his shot with him he has a spot on this roster. If he can shoot and attract the defense he will get minutes. You have to have a couple guys like that, even if they suck at most other things.Especially when you have 2 behemoths like Embiid and Simmons.

76ersfan · Post #128 » by **76ersfan** » Fri May 12, 2017 3:57 am

Hopefully he's a better athlete and creator than stauskas. His Ceiling is Forunier.

Unbreakable99 · Post #129 » by **Unbreakable99** » Fri May 12, 2017 4:03 am

I hope we can keep him overseas.

Post #130 » by **Foshan** » Fri May 12, 2017 4:45 am

I think it would be great for him to have at least a year playing with RoCo up close (who knows what our long term plans are for roco)

Also, if he stays overseas one year, he is just one year from getting out of his rookie deal. I'd rather have him here than risk not having hi here for 2 more years on a bigger contract.

Unbreakable99 · Post #131 » by **Unbreakable99** » Fri May 12, 2017 12:16 pm

Foshan wrote:I think it would be great for him to have at least a year playing with RoCo up close (who knows what our long term plans are for roco)

Also, if he stays overseas one year, he is just one year from getting out of his rookie deal. I'd rather have him here than risk not having hi here for 2 more years on a bigger contract.

The long term plans are to keep Covington. He'd only be moved if we traded for a premiere wing.

Kobblehead · Post #132 » by **Kobblehead** » Fri May 12, 2017 12:24 pm

If we oblige Korkmaz and bring him over, I'd assume he wouldn't see much of the court this year.

And given how underdevloped his physique and defensive foundation is, I doubt he even gets to be up with the main roster and practice with the team like Timo did. Kormaz will probably spend the year in the D-League.

HotelVitale · Post #133 » by **HotelVitale** » Fri May 12, 2017 6:34 pm

Kobblehead wrote:If we oblige Korkmaz and bring him over, I'd assume he wouldn't see much of the court this year. And given how underdevloped his physique and defensive foundation is, I doubt he even gets to be up with the main roster and practice with the team like Timo did. Kormaz will probably spend the year in the D-League.

We have to 'oblige' him if he wants to come, can't demand people stay stashed after they're drafted (at least not legally). The roster's also not that big at the moment: I count 11 guys plus maybe two picks (either 2 1sts or a 1st and a 2nd) and two FAs (or options picked up). So that's 15 total, meaning Korkmaz would be the 16th and the first to come up in case of injury. (And it's very likely there's injury before long). I also think he could easily play his way into the top 15, not crazy to think he could outplay Justin Anderson or Stauskas.

I don't want him to come this year since he could use the development and we could use the roster spot, but it doesn't seem like a terrible thing if he does come.

Post #134 » by **tk76** » Fri May 12, 2017 8:47 pm

76ersfan wrote:Hopefully he's a better athlete and creator than stauskas. His Ceiling is Forunier.

Not really. Fournier has always been better as a driver who can shoot, while Korkmaz has a higher ceiling as a shooter (who hits at all levels as well as off the dribble), a bit more of a vertical athlete on the break and MUCH less of a driver. Also, Korkmaz and Fournier have different body types. Korkmaz has a longer and thinner frame and more bounce. Fournier has more of a classic SF build.

Post #135 » by **tk76** » Fri May 12, 2017 9:03 pm

Korkmaz is so young that the first few years of his rookie deal would be spent in development, unlike Saric who came over more NBA ready both physically and in terms of higher level experience and BBIQ. So really, only the last 1-2 years of Korkmaz's rookie deal will be high value in terms of being able to help a playoff team.

He is unlikely to get a huge deal if he comes over in 2 years off of the rookie scale. That contract would certainly be more costly than the rookie scale, but he'd also be giving you more useful years on that contract should he come over later. Conversely, I can see a world where he comes over right away, and shows enough in a few years at age 22 do earn a much bigger NBA contract when he is a 23 year old RFA.

So if he comes over and developes into a solid starter, I can imaging his salary being:
1.5M age 19
1.6M
1.7M
1.8M age 22
15M age 23
16M
17M
18M age 26

While if he stays 2 years I can imagine:
Europe age 19
Europe
8M age 21 non-rookie scale late 1st rounder deal
9M age 22
9M age 23
10M age 24
16M age 25 (2nd NBA contract)
17M age 26

So if you compare, coming over means you get a huge bargain at age 21 and 22 when he is starting to approach his prime. But staying 2 more years you get a longer part of his prime on his initial deal, meaning a comparative bargain at age 23 and age 24, which could help your cap if you are a contender in those years (when Embiid is 28-29 years old.)

So I think it is a win-win.

tl/DNR:
Korkmaz coming over now gives you massive savings the next few years - at a time when the Sixers already have a bunch of cap space. And staying in Europe 2 more years leads to more cap costs early on... but could actually lead to some comparative cap savings 4 and 5 years down the road, at a time we hope the Sixers are contenders.

76ersfan · Post #136 » by **76ersfan** » Fri May 12, 2017 9:48 pm

tk76 wrote:
76ersfan wrote:Hopefully he's a better athlete and creator than stauskas. His Ceiling is Forunier.

Not really. Fournier has always been better as a driver who can shoot, while Korkmaz has a higher ceiling as a shooter (who hits at all levels as well as off the dribble), a bit more of a vertical athlete on the break and MUCH less of a driver. Also, Korkmaz and Fournier have different body types. Korkmaz has a longer and thinner frame and more bounce. Fournier has more of a classic SF build.

Agree but what I meant was I hope he's a better version of stauskas in first year.

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Post #137 » by **Foshan** » Fri May 12, 2017 11:56 pm

Unbreakable99 wrote:
Foshan wrote:I think it would be great for him to have at least a year playing with RoCo up close (who knows what our long term plans are for roco)

Also, if he stays overseas one year, he is just one year from getting out of his rookie deal. I'd rather have him here than risk not having hi here for 2 more years on a bigger contract.

The long term plans are to keep Covington. He'd only be moved if we traded for a premiere wing.

Thank you Jerry, good to know.

ILikeLollies · Post #138 » by **ILikeLollies** » Sun May 14, 2017 11:49 pm

Another nice game for Korkmaz overnight.

19p 7/8 fg, 3/4 3pt

I'm really excited about how he is developing and can see him, through his shooting ability, being an important part of a quality team in the future.

Bring him over now I say and let him build his strength and move between the nba and the dleague.

Unbreakable99 · Post #139 » by **Unbreakable99** » Mon May 15, 2017 12:54 am

Do any of you think Korkmaz would go in the first round in this draft?

Kobblehead · Post #140 » by **Kobblehead** » Mon May 15, 2017 1:08 am

Definitely. He's 6'7", athletic and can shoot the hell out of the ball.