OT: Apple's iPhone 7 is Officially Here

[lloydj]

1. Air Pods were the best product at the conference.

2. Apple Watch 2 would be second, but they did not release on board storage (16GB would make it worth the purchase).

3. iPhone 7 (128 or 256 storage nice)

[Starks]

I work in the cell phone industry and it is crazy to me how Apple gets away with claiming to recreate the wheel when other manufacturers have done it years before and better.

This. And it's even crazier to me how people still fall for it.

Also in this day and age, how can you pay 900+ for a smartphone? I guess people really need to be seen with an iPhone. That's all I can think of, seriously you can do pretty much the same things at half the price easily now.

[Polk377]

I work in the cell phone industry and it is crazy to me how Apple gets away with claiming to recreate the wheel when other manufacturers have done it years before and better.

This. And it's even crazier to me how people still fall for it.

Also in this day and age, how can you pay 900+ for a smartphone? I guess people really need to be seen with an iPhone. That's all I can think of, seriously you can do pretty much the same things at half the price easily now.

Well I work for T-Mobile and we have a program where you can upgrade your phone after 1 year or whenever you pay half off so you only really have to pay $375-$450 for a year of use which isn't bad. It makes no sense to buy a phone in full anymore where after 2 years it is worth nothing.

[Knicks Byke]

I work in the cell phone industry and it is crazy to me how Apple gets away with claiming to recreate the wheel when other manufacturers have done it years before and better.

This. And it's even crazier to me how people still fall for it.

Also in this day and age, how can you pay 900+ for a smartphone? I guess people really need to be seen with an iPhone. That's all I can think of, seriously you can do pretty much the same things at half the price easily now.

Well I work for T-Mobile and we have a program where you can upgrade your phone after 1 year or whenever you pay half off so you only really have to pay $375-$450 for a year of use which isn't bad. It makes no sense to buy a phone in full anymore where after 2 years it is worth nothing.

is there still jump on demand? or they removed that?

[Polk377]

This. And it's even crazier to me how people still fall for it.

Also in this day and age, how can you pay 900+ for a smartphone? I guess people really need to be seen with an iPhone. That's all I can think of, seriously you can do pretty much the same things at half the price easily now.

Well I work for T-Mobile and we have a program where you can upgrade your phone after 1 year or whenever you pay half off so you only really have to pay $375-$450 for a year of use which isn't bad. It makes no sense to buy a phone in full anymore where after 2 years it is worth nothing.

is there still jump on demand? or they removed that?

It's still there if you ask for it. JOD kind of backfired for the company. They weren't expecting so many upgrades to come so early and no one picks the option of buying the phone.

[N8isScofield]

Apple are a strange one to me. I absolutely swear by Macs and couldn't imagine using a PC ever again. Ipads continue to be miles better than any other tablet out there. I can't imagine downgrading to an Iphone though. They've been disappointing for the last 5 years. Boring, predictable, locked down and overpriced.

[NY2TheBay]

Pretty much the same way I am. Bur, on the jack backlash...People forget that the lightning connector recieved similar backlash when it was added last 2 years too (first on the iPad then on the iPhone).

People adapted.

--Mags

Yeah, basically if there arent sizable upgrades I am not interested in putting out cash for the latest phone. With that said, this one seems to have sizable upgrades . I'll wait, I usually end up getting the S versions. I agree with the 4S comment you made, that was a damn good phone.

I don't own anymore (too much of a pain in the ass), and joined my carrier's Lease 4 Life program so I can upgrade for free yearly if I choose.

I'm debating whether to go from the 6s to 7, or wait for next year's 10 year special iPhone 8 one.

--Mags

Going to look into this lease program with my carrier. Thanks for the heads up, Mags.

[E-Balla]

I work in the cell phone industry and it is crazy to me how Apple gets away with claiming to recreate the wheel when other manufacturers have done it years before and better.

This. And it's even crazier to me how people still fall for it.

Also in this day and age, how can you pay 900+ for a smartphone? I guess people really need to be seen with an iPhone. That's all I can think of, seriously you can do pretty much the same things at half the price easily now.

Well I work for T-Mobile and we have a program where you can upgrade your phone after 1 year or whenever you pay half off so you only really have to pay $375-$450 for a year of use which isn't bad. It makes no sense to buy a phone in full anymore where after 2 years it is worth nothing.

Yep. Paid 100 bucks to get out of my V10 to upgrade. If T-Mobile carried Google phones I'd be trading in my HTC 10 for a Pixel XL too and it'd only cost 250.

[Polk377]

This. And it's even crazier to me how people still fall for it.

Also in this day and age, how can you pay 900+ for a smartphone? I guess people really need to be seen with an iPhone. That's all I can think of, seriously you can do pretty much the same things at half the price easily now.

Well I work for T-Mobile and we have a program where you can upgrade your phone after 1 year or whenever you pay half off so you only really have to pay $375-$450 for a year of use which isn't bad. It makes no sense to buy a phone in full anymore where after 2 years it is worth nothing.

Yep. Paid 100 bucks to get out of my V10 to upgrade. If T-Mobile carried Google phones I'd be trading in my HTC 10 for a Pixel XL too and it'd only cost 250.

Yea I wish we carried the google phones.

[Starks]

Well I work for T-Mobile and we have a program where you can upgrade your phone after 1 year or whenever you pay half off so you only really have to pay $375-$450 for a year of use which isn't bad. It makes no sense to buy a phone in full anymore where after 2 years it is worth nothing.

Yep. Paid 100 bucks to get out of my V10 to upgrade. If T-Mobile carried Google phones I'd be trading in my HTC 10 for a Pixel XL too and it'd only cost 250.

Yea I wish we carried the google phones.

Can't wait for the smaller version Google Pixel

[EnWhyKay]

I work in the cell phone industry and it is crazy to me how Apple gets away with claiming to recreate the wheel when other manufacturers have done it years before and better.

This. And it's even crazier to me how people still fall for it.

Also in this day and age, how can you pay 900+ for a smartphone? I guess people really need to be seen with an iPhone. That's all I can think of, seriously you can do pretty much the same things at half the price easily now.

I think you guys both make valid points about competitors having the same features.. Overall, me personally I don't buy the iPhone for the features as much as I buy it for the platform. I'm aware there are a lot of things you can do with Android.. But IMO iMessage and FaceTime alone make the iPhone worth the price of admission. Half the 'new' features that are added to these phones I rarely use. It's the features that we use often that are in my opinion better than the competitors that keep a guy like me with Apple.

[Polk377]

I work in the cell phone industry and it is crazy to me how Apple gets away with claiming to recreate the wheel when other manufacturers have done it years before and better.

This. And it's even crazier to me how people still fall for it.

Also in this day and age, how can you pay 900+ for a smartphone? I guess people really need to be seen with an iPhone. That's all I can think of, seriously you can do pretty much the same things at half the price easily now.

I think you guys both make valid points about competitors having the same features.. Overall, me personally I don't buy the iPhone for the features as much as I buy it for the platform. I'm aware there are a lot of things you can do with Android.. But IMO iMessage and FaceTime alone make the iPhone worth the price of admission. Half the 'new' features that are added to these phones I rarely use. It's the features that we use often that are in my opinion better than the competitors that keep a guy like me with Apple.

So you are saying you don't care what technology is in the phones you just buy Iphones because they are Iphones? How does that make any sense!?!? Nothing personal to you it is just this mentality that keeps these companies in business without advancing technology to where it should be by now. This is why I think patent laws should be done away with so we can have competition and a free market. As far as Imessage and Facetime go, Imessage was good when you were still being charged per text message but now it is no different from regular texting and every platform has video messaging now whether it is through Apple, Samsung, LG or Facebook video chat. Don't hang on to the old and make these companies push for the new. We all win that way.

[NYKBaller]

This. And it's even crazier to me how people still fall for it.

Also in this day and age, how can you pay 900+ for a smartphone? I guess people really need to be seen with an iPhone. That's all I can think of, seriously you can do pretty much the same things at half the price easily now.

I think you guys both make valid points about competitors having the same features.. Overall, me personally I don't buy the iPhone for the features as much as I buy it for the platform. I'm aware there are a lot of things you can do with Android.. But IMO iMessage and FaceTime alone make the iPhone worth the price of admission. Half the 'new' features that are added to these phones I rarely use. It's the features that we use often that are in my opinion better than the competitors that keep a guy like me with Apple.

So you are saying you don't care what technology is in the phones you just buy Iphones because they are Iphones? How does that make any sense!?!? Nothing personal to you it is just this mentality that keeps these companies in business without advancing technology to where it should be by now. This is why I think patent laws should be done away with so we can have competition and a free market. As far as Imessage and Facetime go, Imessage was good when you were still being charged per text message but now it is no different from regular texting and every platform has video messaging now whether it is through Apple, Samsung, LG or Facebook video chat. Don't hang on to the old and make these companies push for the new. We all win that way.

Iphones are more of a status symbol rather technological advancements. The way it is like beats by dre headphones

[Polk377]

I think you guys both make valid points about competitors having the same features.. Overall, me personally I don't buy the iPhone for the features as much as I buy it for the platform. I'm aware there are a lot of things you can do with Android.. But IMO iMessage and FaceTime alone make the iPhone worth the price of admission. Half the 'new' features that are added to these phones I rarely use. It's the features that we use often that are in my opinion better than the competitors that keep a guy like me with Apple.

So you are saying you don't care what technology is in the phones you just buy Iphones because they are Iphones? How does that make any sense!?!? Nothing personal to you it is just this mentality that keeps these companies in business without advancing technology to where it should be by now. This is why I think patent laws should be done away with so we can have competition and a free market. As far as Imessage and Facetime go, Imessage was good when you were still being charged per text message but now it is no different from regular texting and every platform has video messaging now whether it is through Apple, Samsung, LG or Facebook video chat. Don't hang on to the old and make these companies push for the new. We all win that way.

Iphones are more of a status symbol rather technological advancements. The way it is like beats by dre headphones

Which are also owned by Apple now.....

[BKlutch]

I work in the cell phone industry and it is crazy to me how Apple gets away with claiming to recreate the wheel when other manufacturers have done it years before and better.

This. And it's even crazier to me how people still fall for it.

Also in this day and age, how can you pay 900+ for a smartphone? I guess people really need to be seen with an iPhone. That's all I can think of, seriously you can do pretty much the same things at half the price easily now.

I think you guys both make valid points about competitors having the same features.. Overall, me personally I don't buy the iPhone for the features as much as I buy it for the platform. I'm aware there are a lot of things you can do with Android.. But IMO iMessage and FaceTime alone make the iPhone worth the price of admission. Half the 'new' features that are added to these phones I rarely use. It's the features that we use often that are in my opinion better than the competitors that keep a guy like me with Apple.

There's a lot of good in what you say. The company I work for has thousands of iPhones and a number of Androids. There's really no comparison in terms of reliability and functionality. The iPhones need far fewer repairs, iMessage gets through in any one of about 20 countries were we travel, and the quality is always the best. Android phones have gotten malware surprisingly often, are harder to update to the latest operating system, and the build quality has been variable. Given the choice (which we are), people prefer iMessage and Facetime about 10:1 compared to Android. Presently, the only Android feature people want that is not on an iPhone is the stylus of the new Samsung Note 7.

We apparently had a handful of people who had to quickly switch phones last week before they could fly to meetings. About half stayed with Android and the others switched to iOS.

The biggest difference I can see between the two systems is that people enjoy one system's app and don't want to have to switch to something different. Both seem roughly comparable in capabilities. The ability to quickly propagate security upgrades is very important to the higher ups in IT. Roughly 80% of our techs use iPhones.

[EnWhyKay]

This. And it's even crazier to me how people still fall for it.

Also in this day and age, how can you pay 900+ for a smartphone? I guess people really need to be seen with an iPhone. That's all I can think of, seriously you can do pretty much the same things at half the price easily now.

I think you guys both make valid points about competitors having the same features.. Overall, me personally I don't buy the iPhone for the features as much as I buy it for the platform. I'm aware there are a lot of things you can do with Android.. But IMO iMessage and FaceTime alone make the iPhone worth the price of admission. Half the 'new' features that are added to these phones I rarely use. It's the features that we use often that are in my opinion better than the competitors that keep a guy like me with Apple.

So you are saying you don't care what technology is in the phones you just buy Iphones because they are Iphones? How does that make any sense!?!? Nothing personal to you it is just this mentality that keeps these companies in business without advancing technology to where it should be by now. This is why I think patent laws should be done away with so we can have competition and a free market. As far as Imessage and Facetime go, Imessage was good when you were still being charged per text message but now it is no different from regular texting and every platform has video messaging now whether it is through Apple, Samsung, LG or Facebook video chat. Don't hang on to the old and make these companies push for the new. We all win that way.

I did not say I do no care about what technology is in the phones. Nor did I say I buy iPhones because they are iPhones. I am basically saying these new features that are coming out do no move the needle for me as much as features like iMessage and FaceTime. In other words a phone being water proof is not enough for me to switch the android and lose my iMessage and FaceTime.

Secondly, iMessage is not the same as a text. I use sprint. So I'll speak about Sprints text messaging. It is limited to 60 characters. If you send more the network breaks up your texts and they end up being jumbled up and a pain. With iMessage I can pretty much send as long a message as I want without having the worry about my texts getting jumbled. Little things like this is what keeps ME (I can't speak for anyone else) from switching platforms.

[EnWhyKay]

This. And it's even crazier to me how people still fall for it.

Also in this day and age, how can you pay 900+ for a smartphone? I guess people really need to be seen with an iPhone. That's all I can think of, seriously you can do pretty much the same things at half the price easily now.

I think you guys both make valid points about competitors having the same features.. Overall, me personally I don't buy the iPhone for the features as much as I buy it for the platform. I'm aware there are a lot of things you can do with Android.. But IMO iMessage and FaceTime alone make the iPhone worth the price of admission. Half the 'new' features that are added to these phones I rarely use. It's the features that we use often that are in my opinion better than the competitors that keep a guy like me with Apple.

There's a lot of good in what you say. The company I work for has thousands of iPhones and a number of Androids. There's really no comparison in terms of reliability and functionality. The iPhones need far fewer repairs, iMessage gets through in any one of about 20 countries were we travel, and the quality is always the best. Android phones have gotten malware surprisingly often, are harder to update to the latest operating system, and the build quality has been variable. Given the choice (which we are), people prefer iMessage and Facetime about 10:1 compared to Android. Presently, the only Android feature people want that is not on an iPhone is the stylus of the new Samsung Note 7.

We apparently had a handful of people who had to quickly switch phones last week before they could fly to meetings. About half stayed with Android and the others switched to iOS.

The biggest difference I can see between the two systems is that people enjoy one system's app and don't want to have to switch to something different. Both seem roughly comparable in capabilities. The ability to quickly propagate security upgrades is very important to the higher ups in IT. Roughly 80% of our techs use iPhones.

Absolutely. That is the jist of it. Hence my buying into the platform comment. I've been using the iPhone for the last 5-6 years. Prior to that I was on the android platform. I had my phone rooted and everything. After switching to the iPhone I haven't been back since because in my opinion it just works better for my needs

[BKlutch]

I think you guys both make valid points about competitors having the same features.. Overall, me personally I don't buy the iPhone for the features as much as I buy it for the platform. I'm aware there are a lot of things you can do with Android.. But IMO iMessage and FaceTime alone make the iPhone worth the price of admission. Half the 'new' features that are added to these phones I rarely use. It's the features that we use often that are in my opinion better than the competitors that keep a guy like me with Apple.

There's a lot of good in what you say. The company I work for has thousands of iPhones and a number of Androids. There's really no comparison in terms of reliability and functionality. The iPhones need far fewer repairs, iMessage gets through in any one of about 20 countries were we travel, and the quality is always the best. Android phones have gotten malware surprisingly often, are harder to update to the latest operating system, and the build quality has been variable. Given the choice (which we are), people prefer iMessage and Facetime about 10:1 compared to Android. Presently, the only Android feature people want that is not on an iPhone is the stylus of the new Samsung Note 7.

We apparently had a handful of people who had to quickly switch phones last week before they could fly to meetings. About half stayed with Android and the others switched to iOS.

The biggest difference I can see between the two systems is that people enjoy one system's app and don't want to have to switch to something different. Both seem roughly comparable in capabilities. The ability to quickly propagate security upgrades is very important to the higher ups in IT. Roughly 80% of our techs use iPhones.

Absolutely. That is the jist of it. Hence my buying into the platform comment. I've been using the iPhone for the last 5-6 years. Prior to that I was on the android platform. I had my phone rooted and everything. After switching to the iPhone I haven't been back since because in my opinion it just works better for my needs

That's my experience. The larger concern is that there really aren't any major features we're still looking to see added to our phones. Yes, we all want them to have better batteries, and better everything else. This is happening on both platforms gradually. But there's no single killer feature we're all clamoring for. So as phones get better and better, we may be less and less excited about the new ones every year. That's why we have to count on the Knicks to give us something to cheer about.

[Polk377]

I think you guys both make valid points about competitors having the same features.. Overall, me personally I don't buy the iPhone for the features as much as I buy it for the platform. I'm aware there are a lot of things you can do with Android.. But IMO iMessage and FaceTime alone make the iPhone worth the price of admission. Half the 'new' features that are added to these phones I rarely use. It's the features that we use often that are in my opinion better than the competitors that keep a guy like me with Apple.

So you are saying you don't care what technology is in the phones you just buy Iphones because they are Iphones? How does that make any sense!?!? Nothing personal to you it is just this mentality that keeps these companies in business without advancing technology to where it should be by now. This is why I think patent laws should be done away with so we can have competition and a free market. As far as Imessage and Facetime go, Imessage was good when you were still being charged per text message but now it is no different from regular texting and every platform has video messaging now whether it is through Apple, Samsung, LG or Facebook video chat. Don't hang on to the old and make these companies push for the new. We all win that way.

I did not say I do no care about what technology is in the phones. Nor did I say I buy iPhones because they are iPhones. I am basically saying these new features that are coming out do no move the needle for me as much as features like iMessage and FaceTime. In other words a phone being water proof is not enough for me to switch the android and lose my iMessage and FaceTime.

Secondly, iMessage is not the same as a text. I use sprint. So I'll speak about Sprints text messaging. It is limited to 60 characters. If you send more the network breaks up your texts and they end up being jumbled up and a pain. With iMessage I can pretty much send as long a message as I want without having the worry about my texts getting jumbled. Little things like this is what keeps ME (I can't speak for anyone else) from switching platforms.

Your biggest problem is that you are still with Sprint. That company has taken a complete nose dive and I'm surprised they still stay in business.

[Knicks_Fan2]

The non-iphone user characterizations of the types of folks who own iphones is extremely reductive and not really helpful in furthering any discussion in discussing the relative merits of each platform. There are many technically savvy users of the iphone and of course there are many users that use it because it is easy or, perhaps, a status symbol (is that seriously a thing?!).

I have owned both types of devices and currently have an iphone and plan to upgrade to an iphone 7. I have previously owned Samsung Note devices as well as Nexus devices and, for me (a person that is likely considered average with respect to technical aptitude), it comes down to my user experience with the phone. The speed, despite apparent spec deficiencies, has been faster in my experiences by leagues than other phones and, more importantly, with none of my iphone have I experienced the increasing lag in day to day use as I have with my android devices (particularly samsung). The cameras are generally top of the line when you get them, the customer support is pretty much unparalleled in the space and you know every app will be optimized for ios. Ultimately, it just does what it says it will do and, generally, does so flawlessly. I could see why folks prefer the Android OS and its customization; it certainly has some appeal to me but doesn't outweigh the iphone experience for what I need the phone to do on a day to day basis.