This preseason is telling us a lot about this team

[NBA Fan 1234]

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No we haven't. We been in denial since '00.

The true directive to rebuild wasn't started in earnest until the day Perry was hired and be halted all trade negotiations with the Rockets. That's the day the rebuild got real.

Phil was “rebuilding” too.

I will believe it when I see it. I see a bunch of bull so far. Too many vets. Still giving out unnecessary contracts. Still placing our best young players in tough spots to develop.

That’s all a part of rebuilding. It all needs to come correct or you end up like we were pre-2010. That’s reality.

Phil was rebuilding? That's why he went after has-beens? Nah, he didn't try rebuilding at all. He half-assed rebuilding and could have easily done that if he just put his damn ego aside for a little.

[dakomish23]

No we haven't. We been in denial since '00.

The true directive to rebuild wasn't started in earnest until the day Perry was hired and be halted all trade negotiations with the Rockets. That's the day the rebuild got real.

Phil was “rebuilding” too.

I will believe it when I see it. I see a bunch of bull so far. Too many vets. Still giving out unnecessary contracts. Still placing our best young players in tough spots to develop.

That’s all a part of rebuilding. It all needs to come correct or you end up like we were pre-2010. That’s reality.

Phil was rebuilding? That's why he went after has-beens? Nah, he didn't try rebuilding at all. He half-assed rebuilding and could have easily done that if he just put his damn ego aside for a little.

PJax traded away win now players only to trade for & sign win now players

He backed into the lottery twice. Congrats to him for working in a system that rewards failure.

[Greenie]

Actually, if anything, willing to go through darkness knowing that that the light is coming shows strength and perseverance, not softness. In fact, being happy with treadmill / mediocrity and not being willing to take a risk or go through a rough patch / put in the work to reap the rewards is the very definition of softness...sooo...yeah...

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^^ that applies to you and the rest of the treadmill crew way better than it does anyone wanting to tank.

Sorry, but anyone rooting for us to be on a treadmill is not someone worth conversing with on this topic. It's not even a question.

What are you talking about? Treadmill team. Like competitive, playoff basketball for the fans is a bad thing? It's all or nothing? I have yet to see a championship in my 43 years on this planet but I can tell you those 90's Knicks were the best moments of my like and I sure as sh*t would like them back even if we don't win it all. But management isn't and hasn't been putting in work. THEY are why I am upset. You and others here are putting your faith in these yokels to outright LOSE and you're pretending they have the competence to get you through the darkness just to prove "rebuilds can happen in NY" Sh*t, many of the people who want to see the darkest days of NY just want to watch college basketball anyway. We got fans who claim they miss the days of Mark Jackson, Houston, Ewing, Oakley, Kurt Thomas, Ward, etc. yet they are all scouting the next pogo stick from the University of Hops and holding grudges because their guy wasn't picked. I am, and will forever be, a Knicks fan in spite of the intentional sh*tty job some of the games greatest do when they come to the Knicks FO and in spite of this new thinking that we need to continue to get kicked rather than getting up and fighting. I've watched lesser teams fight harder than we do (so far the Nets are a prime example) and it pisses me off.

Yeah, this ^ is a whole lot of nothing. I get wanting our team to try hard, trust me I do too, but this team is going nowhere fast without tanking. I'm not advocating us trying to outright lose, but if we end up with the first pick in the draft, we should all be happy. Nobody is saying we want a soft team and we don't want our guys fighting to win...so...not sure where that is coming from. TBH, I couldn't care less it pisses you off. You sound like a bitter guy who doesn't want to go through a rebuild even though it's what this team needs. So, with that said, I'm done here. Longing for the days of the past when those teams, while they were trying hard, didn't win **** (although they did make it to the finals) is nice and all...but, sorry, I want a trophy, not a "feel good team." Enjoy complaining this season - I sure as hell won't during this player development year.

There is a right and a wrong way to rebuild. That’s what is becoming lost. Rebuilding is way more than just bottoming out. It’s starting to establish a culture of the new identity you wish for your rebuilt team to embody.

Softness is the culture we’re building right now. Defensively we are crappo. No effort. No scheme. Lack of fundamentals. That’s being raised up in our young players right now.

That alone starts this rebuild off on the wrong foot. We can take everlasting L’s but teach our young guys not only how to defend and be active on both sides of the ball, but aloso how to carry themselves.

That’s not happening. We’re simply bad as all hell and labeling it a rebuild. No Sir. Don’t fall for the okidok.

[TankCommander17]

What are you talking about? Treadmill team. Like competitive, playoff basketball for the fans is a bad thing? It's all or nothing? I have yet to see a championship in my 43 years on this planet but I can tell you those 90's Knicks were the best moments of my like and I sure as sh*t would like them back even if we don't win it all. But management isn't and hasn't been putting in work. THEY are why I am upset. You and others here are putting your faith in these yokels to outright LOSE and you're pretending they have the competence to get you through the darkness just to prove "rebuilds can happen in NY" Sh*t, many of the people who want to see the darkest days of NY just want to watch college basketball anyway. We got fans who claim they miss the days of Mark Jackson, Houston, Ewing, Oakley, Kurt Thomas, Ward, etc. yet they are all scouting the next pogo stick from the University of Hops and holding grudges because their guy wasn't picked. I am, and will forever be, a Knicks fan in spite of the intentional sh*tty job some of the games greatest do when they come to the Knicks FO and in spite of this new thinking that we need to continue to get kicked rather than getting up and fighting. I've watched lesser teams fight harder than we do (so far the Nets are a prime example) and it pisses me off.

Yeah, this ^ is a whole lot of nothing. I get wanting our team to try hard, trust me I do too, but this team is going nowhere fast without tanking. I'm not advocating us trying to outright lose, but if we end up with the first pick in the draft, we should all be happy. Nobody is saying we want a soft team and we don't want our guys fighting to win...so...not sure where that is coming from. TBH, I couldn't care less it pisses you off. You sound like a bitter guy who doesn't want to go through a rebuild even though it's what this team needs. So, with that said, I'm done here. Longing for the days of the past when those teams, while they were trying hard, didn't win **** (although they did make it to the finals) is nice and all...but, sorry, I want a trophy, not a "feel good team." Enjoy complaining this season - I sure as hell won't during this player development year.

There is a right and a wrong way to rebuild. That’s what is becoming lost. Rebuilding is way more than just bottoming out. It’s starting to establish a culture of the new identity you wish for your rebuilt team to embody.

Softness is the culture we’re building right now. Defensively we are crappo. No effort. No scheme. Lack of fundamentals. That’s being raised up in our young players right now.

That alone starts this rebuild off on the wrong foot. We can take everlasting L’s but teach our young guys not only how to defend and be active on both sides of the ball, but aloso how to carry themselves.

That’s not happening. We’re simply bad as all hell and labeling it a rebuild. No Sir. Don’t fall for the okidok.

Yeah culture change is hard. But who cares honestly about culture when you have elite talent. Usually the only way to get that is to get lucky in the draft. And to get lucky you have to suck and get a top pick.

Look at the Cavs when they got Bron did they have a good culture or coach? No their coach sucked and their culture was that of losers. He turned that around.

Same when Shaq got the Magic.

Scott Brooks is NOT a good coach but having KD/Russell/Harden/Ibaka changed that.

It is all nice and good to say culture change but talent trumps that.

[Greenie]

No we haven't. We been in denial since '00.

The true directive to rebuild wasn't started in earnest until the day Perry was hired and be halted all trade negotiations with the Rockets. That's the day the rebuild got real.

Phil was “rebuilding” too.

I will believe it when I see it. I see a bunch of bull so far. Too many vets. Still giving out unnecessary contracts. Still placing our best young players in tough spots to develop.

That’s all a part of rebuilding. It all needs to come correct or you end up like we were pre-2010. That’s reality.

Phil was rebuilding? That's why he went after has-beens? Nah, he didn't try rebuilding at all. He half-assed rebuilding and could have easily done that if he just put his damn ego aside for a little.

You yourself just said he was half assed rebuilding...

That’s exactly what is going on right now.

Rebuilding teams don’t sign Timmy to that contract. Don’t give me salary cap when you have Noah and Lee still on this roster each making a nice penny.

Rebuilding teams don’t sign Beasley.

Rebuilding teams don’t continue to acquire players that play the same damn position that their best youngsters play, thus stagnating the development of them.

[seren]

No we haven't. We been in denial since '00.

The true directive to rebuild wasn't started in earnest until the day Perry was hired and be halted all trade negotiations with the Rockets. That's the day the rebuild got real.

Phil was “rebuilding” too.

I will believe it when I see it. I see a bunch of bull so far. Too many vets. Still giving out unnecessary contracts. Still placing our best young players in tough spots to develop.

That’s all a part of rebuilding. It all needs to come correct or you end up like we were pre-2010. That’s reality.

Phil was rebuilding? That's why he went after has-beens? Nah, he didn't try rebuilding at all. He half-assed rebuilding and could have easily done that if he just put his damn ego aside for a little.

This is actually a brilliant strategy by the ownership. You do the Hardaway deal, a non-rebuild move, which is a clog in the salary cap before you hire Perry so Perry gets to have a clean slate. Now we can claim we are just starting rebuilding. Once this one fails, fire Perry and hire someone else and claim that will be the real rebuild. Seriously, may the real rebuild please stand up?

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[TankCommander17]

Phil was “rebuilding” too.

I will believe it when I see it. I see a bunch of bull so far. Too many vets. Still giving out unnecessary contracts. Still placing our best young players in tough spots to develop.

That’s all a part of rebuilding. It all needs to come correct or you end up like we were pre-2010. That’s reality.

Phil was rebuilding? That's why he went after has-beens? Nah, he didn't try rebuilding at all. He half-assed rebuilding and could have easily done that if he just put his damn ego aside for a little.

You yourself just said he was half assed rebuilding...

That’s exactly what is going on right now.

Rebuilding teams don’t sign Timmy to that contract. Don’t give me salary cap when you have Noah and Lee still on this roster each making a nice penny.

Rebuilding teams don’t sign Beasley.

Rebuilding teams don’t continue to acquire players that play the same damn position that their best youngsters play, thus stagnating the development of them.

We are rebuilding. You can't blame Perry for Timmy's contract or the horrible Noah contract.

Kanter will opt out this offseason and we got a 2nd round pick.

I think we need to give Perry some rope and realize he didn't make most of hte mistakes that haunt us right now.

If/when he makes the same mistakes we can point at him.

Right now I am giving him a clean slate. He has a lot of work in front of him but he hasn't committed any huge blunders so far.

[IllmaticHandler]

Yeah, this ^ is a whole lot of nothing. I get wanting our team to try hard, trust me I do too, but this team is going nowhere fast without tanking. I'm not advocating us trying to outright lose, but if we end up with the first pick in the draft, we should all be happy. Nobody is saying we want a soft team and we don't want our guys fighting to win...so...not sure where that is coming from. TBH, I couldn't care less it pisses you off. You sound like a bitter guy who doesn't want to go through a rebuild even though it's what this team needs. So, with that said, I'm done here. Longing for the days of the past when those teams, while they were trying hard, didn't win **** (although they did make it to the finals) is nice and all...but, sorry, I want a trophy, not a "feel good team." Enjoy complaining this season - I sure as hell won't during this player development year.

There is a right and a wrong way to rebuild. That’s what is becoming lost. Rebuilding is way more than just bottoming out. It’s starting to establish a culture of the new identity you wish for your rebuilt team to embody.

Softness is the culture we’re building right now. Defensively we are crappo. No effort. No scheme. Lack of fundamentals. That’s being raised up in our young players right now.

That alone starts this rebuild off on the wrong foot. We can take everlasting L’s but teach our young guys not only how to defend and be active on both sides of the ball, but aloso how to carry themselves.

That’s not happening. We’re simply bad as all hell and labeling it a rebuild. No Sir. Don’t fall for the okidok.

Yeah culture change is hard. But who cares honestly about culture when you have elite talent. Usually the only way to get that is to get lucky in the draft. And to get lucky you have to suck and get a top pick.

Look at the Cavs when they got Bron did they have a good culture or coach? No their coach sucked and their culture was that of losers. He turned that around.

Same when Shaq got the Magic.

Scott Brooks is NOT a good coach but having KD/Russell/Harden/Ibaka changed that.

It is all nice and good to say culture change but talent trumps that.

This is way off and not an absolute. Look at Boston,They Built a culture FIRST then getting talent was easy. They easily have the best Basketball Culture outside of the Spurs/warriors maybe. I would rather Follow the Boston Blueprint than Just having a bunch of Talent running around with a soft bitch-ass culture that resonates thru out. At this point, The Knicks should be focused on developing a great culture. Cause that's something you can CONTROL. The draft is still a crapshoot. So putting all your chips into the draft, to build a "culture" is just dumb. Focus on what you can CONTROL. Becuase sometimes a top talent never comes to fruition because of the CULTURE of the Franchise. look at KP. Talking all that ****.skipping meetings, acting like he run schit, and he still soft and has not shown he can be a leader.

[thebuzzardman]

No we haven't. We been in denial since '00.

The true directive to rebuild wasn't started in earnest until the day Perry was hired and be halted all trade negotiations with the Rockets. That's the day the rebuild got real.

Phil was “rebuilding” too.

I will believe it when I see it. I see a bunch of bull so far. Too many vets. Still giving out unnecessary contracts. Still placing our best young players in tough spots to develop.

That’s all a part of rebuilding. It all needs to come correct or you end up like we were pre-2010. That’s reality.

Phil was rebuilding? That's why he went after has-beens? Nah, he didn't try rebuilding at all. He half-assed rebuilding and could have easily done that if he just put his damn ego aside for a little.

Honestly, that was the most disappointing thing. I could have tolerated CLee too. Need someone who can defend and knock down a jumper on the perimeter. But he should have held onto Lopez and let him expire. Brought in Jennings on a 1 year like he did. Team would have been so much better off and even this scenario allowed for the signing of a "vet". Mills compounds the problem by signing Hardaway Jr. Think of how much easier the whole situation is if the only contracts you have to move is CLee. Ok, CLee and Kanter, because we assume anyone has to deal Melo and take back equal salary. But maybe there would be other options on the table w/o having to work around Noah's contract and possibly even THJr.

[don't panac]

Phil was rebuilding? That's why he went after has-beens? Nah, he didn't try rebuilding at all. He half-assed rebuilding and could have easily done that if he just put his damn ego aside for a little.

You yourself just said he was half assed rebuilding...

That’s exactly what is going on right now.

Rebuilding teams don’t sign Timmy to that contract. Don’t give me salary cap when you have Noah and Lee still on this roster each making a nice penny.

Rebuilding teams don’t sign Beasley.

Rebuilding teams don’t continue to acquire players that play the same damn position that their best youngsters play, thus stagnating the development of them.

We are rebuilding. You can't blame Perry for Timmy's contract or the horrible Noah contract.

Kanter will opt out this offseason and we got a 2nd round pick.

I think we need to give Perry some rope and realize he didn't make most of hte mistakes that haunt us right now.

If/when he makes the same mistakes we can point at him.

Right now I am giving him a clean slate. He has a lot of work in front of him but he hasn't committed any huge blunders so far.

In seriously doubt kanter will opt out.
Taking him was a mistake by Perry, we shall see how big.
but other than that he needs time and deserves some leeway to put his imprint on the team.

[JXL]

Naturally, this preseason is telling me that this whole "defensive identity" thing is telling me that this roster will be (take it Kobe):

[NBA Fan 1234]

What are you talking about? Treadmill team. Like competitive, playoff basketball for the fans is a bad thing? It's all or nothing? I have yet to see a championship in my 43 years on this planet but I can tell you those 90's Knicks were the best moments of my like and I sure as sh*t would like them back even if we don't win it all. But management isn't and hasn't been putting in work. THEY are why I am upset. You and others here are putting your faith in these yokels to outright LOSE and you're pretending they have the competence to get you through the darkness just to prove "rebuilds can happen in NY" Sh*t, many of the people who want to see the darkest days of NY just want to watch college basketball anyway. We got fans who claim they miss the days of Mark Jackson, Houston, Ewing, Oakley, Kurt Thomas, Ward, etc. yet they are all scouting the next pogo stick from the University of Hops and holding grudges because their guy wasn't picked. I am, and will forever be, a Knicks fan in spite of the intentional sh*tty job some of the games greatest do when they come to the Knicks FO and in spite of this new thinking that we need to continue to get kicked rather than getting up and fighting. I've watched lesser teams fight harder than we do (so far the Nets are a prime example) and it pisses me off.

Yeah, this ^ is a whole lot of nothing. I get wanting our team to try hard, trust me I do too, but this team is going nowhere fast without tanking. I'm not advocating us trying to outright lose, but if we end up with the first pick in the draft, we should all be happy. Nobody is saying we want a soft team and we don't want our guys fighting to win...so...not sure where that is coming from. TBH, I couldn't care less it pisses you off. You sound like a bitter guy who doesn't want to go through a rebuild even though it's what this team needs. So, with that said, I'm done here. Longing for the days of the past when those teams, while they were trying hard, didn't win **** (although they did make it to the finals) is nice and all...but, sorry, I want a trophy, not a "feel good team." Enjoy complaining this season - I sure as hell won't during this player development year.

There is a right and a wrong way to rebuild. That’s what is becoming lost. Rebuilding is way more than just bottoming out. It’s starting to establish a culture of the new identity you wish for your rebuilt team to embody.

Softness is the culture we’re building right now. Defensively we are crappo. No effort. No scheme. Lack of fundamentals. That’s being raised up in our young players right now.

That alone starts this rebuild off on the wrong foot. We can take everlasting L’s but teach our young guys not only how to defend and be active on both sides of the ball, but aloso how to carry themselves.

That’s not happening. We’re simply bad as all hell and labeling it a rebuild. No Sir. Don’t fall for the okidok.

How is softness the culture? Because we're horrible? That's absolute garbage. I understand the coaching aspect of it and it's something I've paraded about since we made the stupid decision to hire Horny, but it is what it is. If we weren't rebuilding, we'd be trying to go in and make the playoffs. We're not.

[NBA Fan 1234]

Phil was “rebuilding” too.

I will believe it when I see it. I see a bunch of bull so far. Too many vets. Still giving out unnecessary contracts. Still placing our best young players in tough spots to develop.

That’s all a part of rebuilding. It all needs to come correct or you end up like we were pre-2010. That’s reality.

Phil was rebuilding? That's why he went after has-beens? Nah, he didn't try rebuilding at all. He half-assed rebuilding and could have easily done that if he just put his damn ego aside for a little.

You yourself just said he was half assed rebuilding...

That’s exactly what is going on right now.

Rebuilding teams don’t sign Timmy to that contract. Don’t give me salary cap when you have Noah and Lee still on this roster each making a nice penny.

Rebuilding teams don’t sign Beasley.

Rebuilding teams don’t continue to acquire players that play the same damn position that their best youngsters play, thus stagnating the development of them.

How is it a half-assed one? Timmy is young and can grow with our guys...and it was at a position of need. Who says we're not going to trade Lee? Noah cannot be traded without attaching picks (thanks Phil), so we have no choice BUT to keep him during the rebuild. We needed a SF, but, yeah, the Beasley signing was weird. The Kanter trade, which is the one I'm assuming you're talking about, was a no-win situation...and yet, we still don't have long-term contracts on the book and we have more cap space now than we did before for next year. There were no better trades available because of the **** NTC.

[NBA Fan 1234]

There is a right and a wrong way to rebuild. That’s what is becoming lost. Rebuilding is way more than just bottoming out. It’s starting to establish a culture of the new identity you wish for your rebuilt team to embody.

Softness is the culture we’re building right now. Defensively we are crappo. No effort. No scheme. Lack of fundamentals. That’s being raised up in our young players right now.

That alone starts this rebuild off on the wrong foot. We can take everlasting L’s but teach our young guys not only how to defend and be active on both sides of the ball, but aloso how to carry themselves.

That’s not happening. We’re simply bad as all hell and labeling it a rebuild. No Sir. Don’t fall for the okidok.

Yeah culture change is hard. But who cares honestly about culture when you have elite talent. Usually the only way to get that is to get lucky in the draft. And to get lucky you have to suck and get a top pick.

Look at the Cavs when they got Bron did they have a good culture or coach? No their coach sucked and their culture was that of losers. He turned that around.

Same when Shaq got the Magic.

Scott Brooks is NOT a good coach but having KD/Russell/Harden/Ibaka changed that.

It is all nice and good to say culture change but talent trumps that.

This is way off and not an absolute. Look at Boston,They Built a culture FIRST then getting talent was easy. They easily have the best Basketball Culture outside of the Spurs/warriors maybe. I would rather Follow the Boston Blueprint than Just having a bunch of Talent running around with a soft bitch-ass culture that resonates thru out. At this point, The Knicks should be focused on developing a great culture. Cause that's something you can CONTROL. The draft is still a crapshoot. So putting all your chips into the draft, to build a "culture" is just dumb. Focus on what you can CONTROL. Becuase sometimes a top talent never comes to fruition because of the CULTURE of the Franchise. look at KP. Talking all that ****.skipping meetings, acting like he run schit, and he still soft and has not shown he can be a leader.

I think it's pretty clear we all would rather follow the Boston blueprint, but it's impossible to do so because there is no Billy King we can take advantage of...so that's not even worth discussing.

If KP never skipped the meeting, chances are we'd still have Phil...and him "acting like he run chit" is him taking the alpha mentality that all y'all wanted him to show...him being soft I'm assuming has to go to everyone bitching about him not playing the 5, right?

We're finally rebuilding, yes, this is rebuilding even if we still have a **** coach...and all y'all are still finding things to complain about.

[NBA Fan 1234]

Phil was “rebuilding” too.

I will believe it when I see it. I see a bunch of bull so far. Too many vets. Still giving out unnecessary contracts. Still placing our best young players in tough spots to develop.

That’s all a part of rebuilding. It all needs to come correct or you end up like we were pre-2010. That’s reality.

Phil was rebuilding? That's why he went after has-beens? Nah, he didn't try rebuilding at all. He half-assed rebuilding and could have easily done that if he just put his damn ego aside for a little.

This is actually a brilliant strategy by the ownership. You do the Hardaway deal, a non-rebuild move, which is a clog in the salary cap before you hire Perry so Perry gets to have a clean slate. Now we can claim we are just starting rebuilding. Once this one fails, fire Perry and hire someone else and claim that will be the real rebuild. Seriously, may the real rebuild please stand up?

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The THJr deal is still up in the air, but because you've seen preseason games you know how it'll look...did I get that right? If you watched him last year, you'd see that he made improvements in his game both on offense and defense...but, like a huge chunk of fans on here, I'm sure you didn't watch any Hawks games besides the ones against the Knicks. Who the **** knows how it'll work out? What we do know is that he improved tremendously in Atlanta, he's young plays a position of need, and actually fits in with the age of our core and what they cannot provide he can.

[moocow007]

This franchise is headed by Steve Mills who has shown absolutely no skill in being able to build any winning culture of any sort. Scott Perry has little to no experience as a top decision maker and his only prior experience are with 2 below average teams that have hardly had a recent history of success. The chances of either guy being able to build any culture is dubious at best. Their best shot is stick to the tank, hope you get lucky (position and pick) and then maybe do it again next year. I'm not optimistic about anything significantly great coming out of this any time soon. Their best shot would have been for Dolan to take his head out of his own butt, fire everyone and then bring in guys like Sam Presti and Travis Schlenk (by paying them more than anyone else) to try to rebuild the right way. But, nope, graft and cronyism at it's best.

[NBA Fan 1234]

I'm probably taking a leave from this thread...but y'all can keep complaining and bitching in little circle jerks while I enjoy a year focused on building up our young guys, hopefully looking for trades for guys like Lee, and having Horny take the fall this year so we can hire a proper coach like Blatt, Messina (doubtful), or someone of that nature.

It's preseason and our young guys have been injured...but the sky is falling, so I'll let you to it.

[MaseInYourFace]

Basically, most of us need to relax. One, it's preseason. Two, it's gonna be a minute.

[MP4LIFE]

Phil was rebuilding? That's why he went after has-beens? Nah, he didn't try rebuilding at all. He half-assed rebuilding and could have easily done that if he just put his damn ego aside for a little.

You yourself just said he was half assed rebuilding...

That’s exactly what is going on right now.

Rebuilding teams don’t sign Timmy to that contract. Don’t give me salary cap when you have Noah and Lee still on this roster each making a nice penny.

Rebuilding teams don’t sign Beasley.

Rebuilding teams don’t continue to acquire players that play the same damn position that their best youngsters play, thus stagnating the development of them.

We are rebuilding. You can't blame Perry for Timmy's contract or the horrible Noah contract.

Kanter will opt out this offseason and we got a 2nd round pick.

I think we need to give Perry some rope and realize he didn't make most of hte mistakes that haunt us right now.

If/when he makes the same mistakes we can point at him.

Right now I am giving him a clean slate. He has a lot of work in front of him but he hasn't committed any huge blunders so far.

Why do people pretend that Perry has real power?

Steve Mills makes all the final decisions and Steve Mills signed Hardaway Jr.

[MaseInYourFace]

You yourself just said he was half assed rebuilding...

That’s exactly what is going on right now.

Rebuilding teams don’t sign Timmy to that contract. Don’t give me salary cap when you have Noah and Lee still on this roster each making a nice penny.

Rebuilding teams don’t sign Beasley.

Rebuilding teams don’t continue to acquire players that play the same damn position that their best youngsters play, thus stagnating the development of them.

We are rebuilding. You can't blame Perry for Timmy's contract or the horrible Noah contract.

Kanter will opt out this offseason and we got a 2nd round pick.

I think we need to give Perry some rope and realize he didn't make most of hte mistakes that haunt us right now.

If/when he makes the same mistakes we can point at him.

Right now I am giving him a clean slate. He has a lot of work in front of him but he hasn't committed any huge blunders so far.

Why do people pretend that Perry has real power?

Steve Mills makes all the final decisions and Steve Mills signed Hardaway Jr.

Because Mills needs help.