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Re: Wendell Carter 

Post#121 » by doordoor123 » Wed Jun 13, 2018 7:25 pm

Everyone has been **** on Wendell recently. Saying that he’s too slow, exaggerating his defensive deficiencies and saying that he’s Kelly Olynyk. First of all, Olynyk doesn’t have a 7’4 wingspan, Wendell is a better post player, a better shooter and a better passer. Olynyk also doesn’t have as great hands. He’s not someone who a team is just going to throw in to get buckets in the paint coming off the bench. Even if his defense never catches up, Carter is so skilled on offense that teams will have to start him. He’ll do so much on offense with a team.
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Re: Wendell Carter 

Post#122 » by clyde21 » Wed Jun 13, 2018 7:26 pm

Wendell is a better prospect than Bagley to me tbh. Wildly underrated.
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Post#123 » by doordoor123 » Wed Jun 13, 2018 7:27 pm

The difference between he and Kanter is that Carter’s shot from 3 is money at 19, he’s more athletic and a better passer.
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Re: Wendell Carter 

Post#124 » by Truebiscuit » Wed Jun 13, 2018 7:51 pm

He doesn't have that 'sexy' athleticism that draftniks want to see when evaluating players.

He's going to be a damned good player, I'd have no problem if my Bulls took him at 7.
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Re: Wendell Carter 

Post#125 » by The-Power » Wed Jun 13, 2018 8:00 pm

doordoor123 wrote:Everyone has been **** on Wendell recently. Saying that he’s too slow, exaggerating his defensive deficiencies and saying that he’s Kelly Olynyk.

How would saying that he's Kelly Olynyk be **** on Wendell? I'm not sure if you know, but Olynyk has become a damn fine player in his own right and Carter certainly not guaranteed to become a better shooter or passer than him at all. Voicing such complaints and then proceeding to put Olynyk down like this is quite ironic, to say the least. If Carter becomes as good as Olynyk offensively then that'd be a damn fine development for him.
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Re: Wendell Carter 

Post#126 » by NBA Fan 1234 » Wed Jun 13, 2018 9:09 pm

Been posting my stuff here and got great reviews, so here's my most recent one on Wendell Carter, who has been tied to the Bulls (and I was actually told the Bulls love him from someone within the organization - this was about a month and a half ago).

It's the usual written + video with Synergy stats, stats, analysis, and clip breakdowns.

Wendell Carter scouting report with videos at the bottom.

Check out the other profiles I've done also!

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https://thefrontofficeeye.com/2018/06/13/wendell-carter-scouting-report/
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Re: Wendell Carter 

Post#127 » by NBA Fan 1234 » Wed Jun 13, 2018 9:10 pm

doordoor123 wrote:The difference between he and Kanter is that Carter’s shot from 3 is money at 19, he’s more athletic and a better passer.


Also, even with his issues on defense, he's a significantly better defensive player on that end as well. I've never seen Enes make a single rotation that actually made me say "wow, that was perfect." Wendell did that numerous times, albeit at a lower level. That's a good sign, even if it was inconsistent.
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Re: Wendell Carter 

Post#128 » by pad300 » Wed Jun 13, 2018 9:47 pm

Hey FrontOfficeEye, do you do a mock draft or big board?
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Re: Wendell Carter 

Post#129 » by doordoor123 » Wed Jun 13, 2018 9:51 pm

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doordoor123 wrote:Everyone has been **** on Wendell recently. Saying that he’s too slow, exaggerating his defensive deficiencies and saying that he’s Kelly Olynyk.

How would saying that he's Kelly Olynyk be **** on Wendell? I'm not sure if you know, but Olynyk has become a damn fine player in his own right and Carter certainly not guaranteed to become a better shooter or passer than him at all. Voicing such complaints and then proceeding to put Olynyk down like this is quite ironic, to say the least. If Carter becomes as good as Olynyk offensively then that'd be a damn fine development for him.


Kelly Olynyk is a good Roleplayer, but Carter has more potential than that. It sounded like I was saying he was bad because I mentioned people are saying he’s bad in the same line. I like Olynyk and would love to have him on my team, but comparing his upside to Wendell Carter’s is ridiculous.
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Re: Wendell Carter 

Post#130 » by Marcus » Wed Jun 13, 2018 10:16 pm

Truebiscuit wrote:He doesn't have that 'sexy' athleticism that draftniks want to see when evaluating players.

He's going to be a damned good player, I'd have no problem if my Bulls took him at 7.


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Re: Wendell Carter 

Post#131 » by Duke4life831 » Wed Jun 13, 2018 11:32 pm

I have been pretty critical of his defense outside of the paint. With that said I still think he's a really good prospect. I think he's going to be pretty rough the first few years defensively but he has potential.

The reason I'm so high on him is I think he is the most skilled big in this draft offensively. He has touch down low with both hands, has low post moves and has a good jumper at all areas, plus I think he is the most natural passer as well. I also think he will be the great rebounder out of this class as well.
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Post#132 » by NBA Fan 1234 » Thu Jun 14, 2018 12:10 am

Duke4life831 wrote:I have been pretty critical of his defense outside of the paint. With that said I still think he's a really good prospect. I think he's going to be pretty rough the first few years defensively but he has potential.

The reason I'm so high on him is I think he is the most skilled big in this draft offensively. He has touch down low with both hands, has low post moves and has a good jumper at all areas, plus I think he is the most natural passer as well. I also think he will be the great rebounder out of this class as well.


Itching to hear what you have to say about the videos I’ve put out there. The-Power too, actually. But I know you’re a big Duke guy and watched them all season long.
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Post#133 » by Duke4life831 » Thu Jun 14, 2018 12:29 am

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Duke4life831 wrote:I have been pretty critical of his defense outside of the paint. With that said I still think he's a really good prospect. I think he's going to be pretty rough the first few years defensively but he has potential.

The reason I'm so high on him is I think he is the most skilled big in this draft offensively. He has touch down low with both hands, has low post moves and has a good jumper at all areas, plus I think he is the most natural passer as well. I also think he will be the great rebounder out of this class as well.


Itching to hear what you have to say about the videos I’ve put out there. The-Power too, actually. But I know you’re a big Duke guy and watched them all season long.


In all honesty I think it's a spot on scouting report. Honestly the first thing I do when I read a Wendell scouting report is I look at what they say about his defense. When I see things like he's a really good defender, I tend to check out. I agree with you 100% on his defense. Horrible close outs, loses his man off the ball and so on. But with that said, I agree I think he has potential, I think a lot of his problems are bad technique and a lack of awareness/knowledge on how to play defense properly.

The only slight differing opinion I would have is I think he's more explosive vertically than given credit for. Still not the Capela/DJ type athlete but there were a few times during the season where he really flashed some ups. He asks looks to have gotten in better shape since the end of the season. I agree he needs to find that magic weight for him where he keeps his strength but is at his peek agility wise.

But ya as a guy that watched every minute of him in a Duke uniform, plus rewatching close to 3/4s of those games, and his USA and high school. Dead on write up man. As a huge fan of DX, that was DX level of work right there.
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Re: Wendell Carter 

Post#134 » by Mr B » Thu Jun 14, 2018 1:20 am

Apparently the Mavs really loves his workout today. There have been rumors the Mavs are willing to trade down from #5. Also Cuban seems obsessed with competing for a playoff spot this coming season. There have been rumors they are wanting to trade for a vet in order to help get a pick.

Any chance the Mavs could get 7 + 22 from Chicago for 5 and Wes Matthews expiring contract?

Or 8 + Love + future protected pick for 5 and Wes’ expiring?
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Re: Wendell Carter 

Post#135 » by GimmeDat » Thu Jun 14, 2018 2:18 am

Mr B wrote:Apparently the Mavs really loves his workout today. There have been rumors the Mavs are willing to trade down from #5. Also Cuban seems obsessed with competing for a playoff spot this coming season. There have been rumors they are wanting to trade for a vet in order to help get a pick.

Any chance the Mavs could get 7 + 22 from Chicago for 5 and Wes Matthews expiring contract?

Or 8 + Love + future protected pick for 5 and Wes’ expiring?


I'm someone who wants Bamba, so I definitely think something could happen here.

I'd like to keep 22, and especially if Carter's your guy even if you stay at 5, then the temptation from my POV is that we just stay at 7 and hope things pan out in a way where we still get our guy (mainly banking on Orlando taking Young regardless).

But, for assurances sake, it's probably a fair deal. I'd definitely do it if it was the difference between getting Bamba or Carter, imo.

The whole interest in Carter makes me re-assess my evaluation for Carter, though. There's a lot of people that speak very highly of him because of his skill-set. Maybe he should be a guy the Bulls should be happy to let slip and take at 7 in favor of Bamba if Dallas themselves like him over Bamba.

Not sure what the Bulls FO themselves think at this stage to hard to answer whether something would happen, but I have been told the Bulls have been interested in moving up.

Seems like a logical deal from both sides.
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Post#136 » by mrlancers » Thu Jun 14, 2018 3:49 am

If the Bulls are giving up 7 and 22, no way should they take back all that salary in Wes Matthews. I think the Mavs should take back Asik. Mavericks would still save over 7 million dollars of cap in the deal and move down two spots and gain an extra first.
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Re: Wendell Carter 

Post#137 » by NBA Fan 1234 » Thu Jun 14, 2018 4:13 pm

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Duke4life831 wrote:I have been pretty critical of his defense outside of the paint. With that said I still think he's a really good prospect. I think he's going to be pretty rough the first few years defensively but he has potential.

The reason I'm so high on him is I think he is the most skilled big in this draft offensively. He has touch down low with both hands, has low post moves and has a good jumper at all areas, plus I think he is the most natural passer as well. I also think he will be the great rebounder out of this class as well.


Itching to hear what you have to say about the videos I’ve put out there. The-Power too, actually. But I know you’re a big Duke guy and watched them all season long.


In all honesty I think it's a spot on scouting report. Honestly the first thing I do when I read a Wendell scouting report is I look at what they say about his defense. When I see things like he's a really good defender, I tend to check out. I agree with you 100% on his defense. Horrible close outs, loses his man off the ball and so on. But with that said, I agree I think he has potential, I think a lot of his problems are bad technique and a lack of awareness/knowledge on how to play defense properly.

The only slight differing opinion I would have is I think he's more explosive vertically than given credit for. Still not the Capela/DJ type athlete but there were a few times during the season where he really flashed some ups. He asks looks to have gotten in better shape since the end of the season. I agree he needs to find that magic weight for him where he keeps his strength but is at his peek agility wise.

But ya as a guy that watched every minute of him in a Duke uniform, plus rewatching close to 3/4s of those games, and his USA and high school. Dead on write up man. As a huge fan of DX, that was DX level of work right there.



Phew. Not going to lie, I was a bit nervous. I trust what I see, but there are guys on here, you being one of them, whose opinion I value.

I wish there were a way to sort his finishes in Synergy by attempt...just so I can see every dunk (maybe there is and I haven't figured it out?). Maybe he does finish higher than I thought he does and I just missed them? That's possible.

This is my view on weight. Ayton is 263, but doesn't use his strength well - less "functional strength" IMO. Carter is 12 pounds less, but uses it really well. Miles is 225 (?) and uses it well. The way I see it, using strength is more of a mindset than actually being dependent on how strong you are. Carter is aggressive and throws his body around, so I think he'd be really successful at 245 (maybe MAYBE 240?) - might even improve lateral quickness and vert.

But, man, that makes me happy that you thought it was spot on. Really appreciate that, dude.
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Post#138 » by DrazenReznik » Thu Jun 14, 2018 4:32 pm

Mr B wrote:Apparently the Mavs really loves his workout today. There have been rumors the Mavs are willing to trade down from #5. Also Cuban seems obsessed with competing for a playoff spot this coming season. There have been rumors they are wanting to trade for a vet in order to help get a pick.

Any chance the Mavs could get 7 + 22 from Chicago for 5 and Wes Matthews expiring contract?

Or 8 + Love + future protected pick for 5 and Wes’ expiring?


God damn the cavs get raped in that deal. The 5 pick isnt THAT valuable.
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Re: Wendell Carter 

Post#139 » by doordoor123 » Thu Jun 14, 2018 4:39 pm

Duke4life831 wrote:
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Duke4life831 wrote:I have been pretty critical of his defense outside of the paint. With that said I still think he's a really good prospect. I think he's going to be pretty rough the first few years defensively but he has potential.

The reason I'm so high on him is I think he is the most skilled big in this draft offensively. He has touch down low with both hands, has low post moves and has a good jumper at all areas, plus I think he is the most natural passer as well. I also think he will be the great rebounder out of this class as well.


Itching to hear what you have to say about the videos I’ve put out there. The-Power too, actually. But I know you’re a big Duke guy and watched them all season long.


In all honesty I think it's a spot on scouting report. Honestly the first thing I do when I read a Wendell scouting report is I look at what they say about his defense. When I see things like he's a really good defender, I tend to check out. I agree with you 100% on his defense. Horrible close outs, loses his man off the ball and so on. But with that said, I agree I think he has potential, I think a lot of his problems are bad technique and a lack of awareness/knowledge on how to play defense properly.

The only slight differing opinion I would have is I think he's more explosive vertically than given credit for. Still not the Capela/DJ type athlete but there were a few times during the season where he really flashed some ups. He asks looks to have gotten in better shape since the end of the season. I agree he needs to find that magic weight for him where he keeps his strength but is at his peek agility wise.

But ya as a guy that watched every minute of him in a Duke uniform, plus rewatching close to 3/4s of those games, and his USA and high school. Dead on write up man. As a huge fan of DX, that was DX level of work right there.


Agreed, I’ve been saying this about Carter for a while. He gets off his feet really quickly. The biggest issue with his defense for me is his lack of physicality. He doesn’t know how to get his body into a defender without drawing a foul and when he draws a foul he loses confidence in his defending.
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Re: Wendell Carter 

Post#140 » by The-Power » Thu Jun 14, 2018 4:47 pm

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doordoor123 wrote:Everyone has been **** on Wendell recently. Saying that he’s too slow, exaggerating his defensive deficiencies and saying that he’s Kelly Olynyk.

How would saying that he's Kelly Olynyk be **** on Wendell? I'm not sure if you know, but Olynyk has become a damn fine player in his own right and Carter certainly not guaranteed to become a better shooter or passer than him at all. Voicing such complaints and then proceeding to put Olynyk down like this is quite ironic, to say the least. If Carter becomes as good as Olynyk offensively then that'd be a damn fine development for him.


Kelly Olynyk is a good Roleplayer, but Carter has more potential than that. It sounded like I was saying he was bad because I mentioned people are saying he’s bad in the same line. I like Olynyk and would love to have him on my team, but comparing his upside to Wendell Carter’s is ridiculous.

Carter has more upside on defense due to his rim protection and possibly superior rebounding potential. But offensively, Olynyk last year gave you 17.5 Points per 36 on 61% TS, 38% on 3's on good volume, and 4 Assists to go along with 2 OREB per 36. 113 on-court ORTG; without him it dropped to 103, and the +10 on/off was by far (!) the highest on the team. Playoffs were even crazier in this regard. Consequently, he ranked 2nd (!) in ORPM among PFs in the league (only behind Giannis, ahead of Aldridge, Griffin and Davis who round out the top 5).

As I wrote: if he can become Kelly Olynyk on offense, Carter would have taken a great step forward. I'm not saying he can't do it, but it is far from a given. Olynyk has become one of the best offensive bigs in a non-superstar role, and he should be viewed as a high benchmark for bigs who do not project to be primary or secondary offensive options towards which they should strive.

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