what's OG anunoby's potential?

[Jenga_tDot]

I dont think his offense will be good enough to be a star, but I can definitely see him being an Artest, Otto Porter, great 3&D kind of player

[AdagioPace]

The NBA will be FLOODED with mini kawhis in a couple of years
Winslow,Jaylen Brown,Josh JAckson, Anunoby, Oladipo, Ingram, Wiggins

If you're a long athletic SF and you are a patented "high ceiling player" and your BPM and ppg look like 2013 KAwhi
call 0089.0099.7656 GET your "kawhi-licence" right now! hurry up! we can only offer 10 kawhi-licences per draft

[NinjaBro]

He's a top 5 rookie. Its rare to see rooks come in and have good advanced stats and actually have a net positive impact.

Simmons, Tatum, Markkanen, Kuzma, Collins, Mitchell, Smith Jr.... He isn't a top five rookie. He's shown very good defense yet doesn't even have a hundred fg attempts yet so it's still a small sample size. However so far more than half of his attempts have been three, hasnt shown a midrange game yet but has been decent at getting to the rim(hasn't finished through contact yet this year though). Offensively it's hard to predict his potential, it's not hard to declare him a very good defender already though.

The only rookie that I would tearfully help pack OG's bag for on this list is Simmons. I would not trade OG for Tatum.

[Yallbecrazy]

He might have the potential to be a good 3 and D player but it's way to early to declare him that. 36% from three on 75 in college and this small sample size isn't enough to label him a good outside shooter, and while I think he'll be a very good defender he still has a neg dbpm to start the season. Smith Jr still has way more hype behind him and despite the underwhelming efficiency still has put together a handful of good games (the 22/8/8 vs Washington stands out). Same with Mitchell and Collins, OG has been efficient in shorter minutes and hasn't shown the production that the others have had in a game yet.

His low rebound totals are the reason for his negative BPM, eye test says he's ridiculously good already. He's easily the best defender of this draft class and it's not particularly close.

Semi is a bad rebounder yet has a positive dbpm. But this is what I'm saying, how can you say he's far and away the best defensive player in this class off of such a small sample size? Especially with guys like Isaac, Bell, Mitchell, Ojelyle, etc...

eye test+ larger sample of college stats.

[SmartWentCrazy]

I like how you threw this in there at the end of your rant.

Perhaps you can explain why you think it’s such a ridiculous comparison?

I said it was silly not ridiculous, like most comparisons. Despite OG's injuries he was still a sophomore coming out, he was considered more polished, especially on the defensive end, while Brown was considered more raw. However Brown showed signs of being able to create his own offense which OG lacked. The biggest difference between the two though is Brown has a high motor and OG's was questioned, he was critiqued for taking plays off in college. Those are just the differences I see though, I consider the comp silly because the two are almost the same age, it's not like either is close to a finished product so I really don't see the point.

OG this season is the exact same age as Jaylen last season. And he’s posting better rookie numbers for a similar level team. He plays hard with a high motor every time he’s on the court so I’m not sure that’s accurate and I don’t see Brown’s ability to create his own offense. He scores off the ball in the half court and on the fast break open the open court, just like OG but with less efficiency and he’s one of the worst passing perimeter Players in the league.

So other than your Celtic bias, I still haven’t seen a very good argument.

I think you can fairly compare the two as rookies.

Similar counting stats. OG has been a better shooter. Jaylen did a better job creating contact.They both are very poor passers (very similar AST%’s as rookies 7.5% vs 7.2%). Jaylen has a higher % of unassisted 2pt shots compared to OG (38% vs 23%) indicating a better ability to create. OG had better impact stats as a rookie. Both had great tools and flashed good upside.

Hopefully for the Raptors, OG can make a similar leap in year 2.

[I_Like_Dirt]

I dont think his offense will be good enough to be a star, but I can definitely see him being an Artest, Otto Porter, great 3&D kind of player

Otto Porter isn't a bad comparison, honestly. That said, there are exceptions to the rule, but I feel they're just that. You don't necessarily need to be an offensive dynamo to be a star. If a player can handle at least a reasonable usage and put up points in the teens while being an elite defender, they can be a star without the top end offensive potential.

And offensive potential can be a tricky thing. I get why OP used Leonard as the example, because he wasn't exactly any more of a world-beater offensively than OG is right now when he was a rookie. There are some differences, though, where I feel rather confident in suggesting OG isn't going to be that good - I mean, even just beyond the fact that nobody except maybe Greg Popovic and the Spurs staff predicted Kawhi's offensive potential.

That said, I also think Otto Porter is establishing himself as a start as we speak. He's currently averaging 16/7 and shooting 49% from 3 while providing pretty solid defense. He has a PER of 20 and a TS% of .640. To me, he's a star in the making, and OG has a long way to go to match that kind of production, I think OG has that potential (whether or not he gets there is another matter), though. Superstars? No. But stars? Sure.

[Yallbecrazy]

He might have the potential to be a good 3 and D player but it's way to early to declare him that. 36% from three on 75 in college and this small sample size isn't enough to label him a good outside shooter, and while I think he'll be a very good defender he still has a neg dbpm to start the season. Smith Jr still has way more hype behind him and despite the underwhelming efficiency still has put together a handful of good games (the 22/8/8 vs Washington stands out). Same with Mitchell and Collins, OG has been efficient in shorter minutes and hasn't shown the production that the others have had in a game yet.

His low rebound totals are the reason for his negative BPM, eye test says he's ridiculously good already. He's easily the best defender of this draft class and it's not particularly close.

Semi is a bad rebounder yet has a positive dbpm. But this is what I'm saying, how can you say he's far and away the best defensive player in this class off of such a small sample size? Especially with guys like Isaac, Bell, Mitchell, Ojelyle, etc...

Should have said wing defender. Really hard to compare bigs like Bell to wings, Isaac is the only other that is comparable to OG.

OG is much stronger and more able to guard multiple positions, his standing reach is only one inch lower despite being almost 4 inches shorter, had much better defensive stats in college, and has a higher vertical.

[Yallbecrazy]

He might have the potential to be a good 3 and D player but it's way to early to declare him that. 36% from three on 75 in college and this small sample size isn't enough to label him a good outside shooter, and while I think he'll be a very good defender he still has a neg dbpm to start the season. Smith Jr still has way more hype behind him and despite the underwhelming efficiency still has put together a handful of good games (the 22/8/8 vs Washington stands out). Same with Mitchell and Collins, OG has been efficient in shorter minutes and hasn't shown the production that the others have had in a game yet.

Well, speaking of BPM he's 3rd among rookies who've played 300 minutes or more:
http://bkref.com/tiny/OQnOE

And despite being asked to check the opposition's best scorers while out on the court he's 9th in DBPM.
http://bkref.com/tiny/EeQjp

Heck, even PER, which tends to favor offensive players puts him 7th among rookies:
http://bkref.com/tiny/5v7ZC

Among rookies who are 20 years or younger since 1984 his BPM ranks 8th overall for rookies who've played 300 min or more. If he hadn't been hyped for being able to do exactly this kind of thing there would be reason for concern but he was considered by some a top 5 prospect prior to injury and was considered an elite 3&D prospect so everything we're seeing is checking out.
http://bkref.com/tiny/XswDq

I'm not attempting to argue he isn't a good player, I'm just saying small sample size playing on a top five offense in the league. We overreacted to small sample sizes here all the time. While he was considered a very good college defender he was never considered a good shooter. I'm also pretty sure no one had him in the top five, I clearly remember him being considered a late lottery pick befor going down to injury.

https://nbadraft.theringer.com/
11th, 7th, 4th ranked draft prospect by their 3 writers

[strudel forever]

He's a top 5 rookie. Its rare to see rooks come in and have good advanced stats and actually have a net positive impact.

Simmons, Tatum, Markkanen, Kuzma, Collins, Mitchell, Smith Jr.... He isn't a top five rookie. He's shown very good defense yet doesn't even have a hundred fg attempts yet so it's still a small sample size. However so far more than half of his attempts have been three, hasnt shown a midrange game yet but has been decent at getting to the rim(hasn't finished through contact yet this year though). Offensively it's hard to predict his potential, it's not hard to declare him a very good defender already though.

The only rookie that I would tearfully help pack OG's bag for on this list is Simmons. I would not trade OG for Tatum.

What makes you think he has more upside than Kuzma or Tatum?

[Double Helix]

He might have the potential to be a good 3 and D player but it's way to early to declare him that. 36% from three on 75 in college and this small sample size isn't enough to label him a good outside shooter, and while I think he'll be a very good defender he still has a neg dbpm to start the season. Smith Jr still has way more hype behind him and despite the underwhelming efficiency still has put together a handful of good games (the 22/8/8 vs Washington stands out). Same with Mitchell and Collins, OG has been efficient in shorter minutes and hasn't shown the production that the others have had in a game yet.

Well, speaking of BPM he's 3rd among rookies who've played 300 minutes or more:
http://bkref.com/tiny/OQnOE

And despite being asked to check the opposition's best scorers while out on the court he's 9th in DBPM.
http://bkref.com/tiny/EeQjp

Heck, even PER, which tends to favor offensive players puts him 7th among rookies:
http://bkref.com/tiny/5v7ZC

Among rookies who are 20 years or younger since 1984 his BPM ranks 8th overall for rookies who've played 300 min or more. If he hadn't been hyped for being able to do exactly this kind of thing there would be reason for concern but he was considered by some a top 5 prospect prior to injury and was considered an elite 3&D prospect so everything we're seeing is checking out.
http://bkref.com/tiny/XswDq

I'm not attempting to argue he isn't a good player, I'm just saying small sample size playing on a top five offense in the league. We overreacted to small sample sizes here all the time. While he was considered a very good college defender he was never considered a good shooter. I'm also pretty sure no one had him in the top five, I clearly remember him being considered a late lottery pick befor going down to injury.

EDIT: Someone above found what I was remembering. Jonathon Tjarks at the Ringer had him as his #4 ranked prospect. Others had him top 8 below.

CBS Sports A+

Nobody knows when, exactly, he'll get back on the court at full speed, but when he does, he's a defensive stud. And that's not an overstatement. This guy has young Andre Iguodala type talent on that end. At this spot in the draft, just that alone make him a potential home run,
Anunoby has proven to be a legit scorer, too, mostly because he's just a terrific athlete with a lot of raw skill. He's not yet all that basketball savvy, which will take some time, but he could really end up being a huge gem this late in the first round. There is a lot to like with this guy's game.

http://www.cbssports.com/nba/news/nba-draft-grades-evaluating-each-teams-full-draft-celtics-come-out-with-a-d/

Bleacher Report A

The Toronto Raptors may have landed the steal of the draft.

OG Anunoby may not be ready by the time the 2017-18 season begins, as he's still recovering from a knee injury that ended his year with Indiana prematurely. But as soon as he's healthy, he'll resume functioning as arguably the draft's best defensive prospect, as well as a developing offensive player who's displayed impressive flashes of range.

While wearing short shorts, he's shown an ability to shut down perimeter studs before rotating to protect the rim. His athleticism is just that impressive, and a full recovery might eventually force Jonas Valanciunas south of the border via a trade. The shot-blocking potential of Anunoby and Serge Ibaka (assuming he re-signs) is off the charts.

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/2717322-2017-nba-draft-grades-for-every-pick


sbnation GRADE: Masai Ujiri is great

Anunoby and his short shorts will be starting by All-Star Weekend (provided he’s back from his ACL surgery). Book it.

https://www.sbnation.com/nba/2017/6/22/15852264/nba-draft-2017-grades-round-1-sixers-lakers-celtics

CBS News

S Sports

Grade: A

The Draymond Green of this draft. So versatile on D, needs develop on O. Injury troubles is why he slipped.
The Ringer

Anunoby may miss most of his rookie season while recovering from an ACL injury he suffered in college, which allowed Toronto to luck into a player with as much defensive upside as anyone in the draft. Anunoby has the physique you would expect for a guy whose older brother played in the NFL, and he has incredible lateral quickness and vertical explosiveness for a 6-foot-8 forward. His offense is still a work in progress, but his ability to match up with multiple positions should allow him to fit into almost any lineup once he gets healthy.

Value: A

Fit: A
FOX Sports

Grade: A

Once Anunoby is healthy, he'll be one of the best defenders in the NBA — and an efficient, explosive scorer to boot. He could miss all of next season and I'd still give the Raptors an A for drafting Anunoby to join DeMar DeRozan and (possibly) Kyle Lowry.
USA Today

ESPN’s Fran Fraschilla called Anunoby a “sexy blogger pick,” which sounds about right. His potential is enough to cause some drooling among the scout types, but NBA executives understandably were worried about his injury history and lack of offensive polish. Yet Anunoby might be the best possible pick for the Raptors, who love versatility and could use a lock-down bench defender. If not for this year's injuries, he might have been a top-eight pick.

Grade: A
Sporting News

This is an easy fit in Toronto. The team has been looking for a stretch/perimeter-4 for years, and Anunoby is going to be tailor-made for that role defensively. At 6-7 with a 7-3 wingspan, he has the potential to turn into an All-Defensive Team caliber player. The key is getting something out of him on offense, as he might be the rawest player in the first round on that end. Still, this is perfect.

GRADE: A-
SB Nation

Anunoby and his short shorts will be starting by All-Star Weekend (provided he’s back from his ACL surgery). Book it.

GRADE: Masai Ujiri is great
So far, one thing seems settled: the basketball intelligentsia like the Anunoby selection for the Raptors.

The ACL injury is obviously a bit of a concern, but there’s a tremendous upside to OG if/when he’s healthy that you don’t often see in the 23rd pick. Here’s hoping the bet pays off for the Raptors.

SportingNews A

This is an easy fit in Toronto. The team has been looking for a stretch/perimeter-4 for years, and Anunoby is going to be tailor-made for that role defensively. At 6-7 with a 7-3 wingspan, he has the potential to turn into an All-Defensive Team caliber player. The key is getting something out of him on offense, as he might be the rawest player in the first round on that end. Still, this is perfect.

http://www.sportingnews.com/nba/news/nba-draft-picks-2017-grades-results-trades-espn-markelle-fultz-lonzo-ball-jayson-tatum/1n1hha94jow2x156sesje2eadu

NESN B+
http://nesn.com/2017/06/nba-draft-2017-analysis-grades-for-all-30-teams-after-first-second-rounds/

The Ringer Value: A Fit: A

Anunoby may miss most of his rookie season while recovering from an ACL injury he suffered in college, which allowed Toronto to luck into a player with as much defensive upside as anyone in the draft. Anunoby has the physique you would expect for a guy whose older brother played in the NFL, and he has incredible lateral quickness and vertical explosiveness for a 6-foot-8 forward. His offense is still a work in progress, but his ability to match up with multiple positions should allow him to fit into almost any lineup once he gets healthy.

https://theringer.com/2017-nba-draft-grading-the-picks-8302d41fac87

Yahoo Sports A+

OG Anunoby is just scratching the surface of his immense potential. Assuming the ACL continues to heal, he gives Toronto an uber-athletic 6-foot-8 forward who can guard three positions. Anunoby is a terrific kid with special, albeit very raw ability. He fits the bill of what the Raptors want as a high-character, defensive wizard.

https://sports.yahoo.com/2017-nba-draft-grades-30-teams-080806675.html

USA Today A

ESPN’s Fran Fraschilla called Anunoby a “sexy blogger pick,” which sounds about right. His potential is enough to cause some drooling among the scout types, but NBA executives understandably were worried about his injury history and lack of offensive polish. Yet Anunoby might be the best possible pick for the Raptors, who love versatility and could use a lock-down bench defender. If not for this year's injuries, he might have been a top-eight pick.

https://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/nba/draft/2017/06/22/2017-nba-draft-tracker-live-picks-analysis-grades/420430001/

Fox Sports A

Once Anunoby is healthy, he'll be one of the best defenders in the NBA — and an efficient, explosive scorer to boot. He could miss all of next season and I'd still give the Raptors an A for drafting Anunoby to join DeMar DeRozan and (possibly) Kyle Lowry.

http://www.foxsports.com/nba/gallery/nba-draft-grades-lakers-celtics-bulls-lonzo-ball-trade-jimmy-butler-062317

https://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/nba/2017/06/17/2017-nba-draft-top-10-prospects-each-position/406379001/

[The_Hater]

I said it was silly not ridiculous, like most comparisons. Despite OG's injuries he was still a sophomore coming out, he was considered more polished, especially on the defensive end, while Brown was considered more raw. However Brown showed signs of being able to create his own offense which OG lacked. The biggest difference between the two though is Brown has a high motor and OG's was questioned, he was critiqued for taking plays off in college. Those are just the differences I see though, I consider the comp silly because the two are almost the same age, it's not like either is close to a finished product so I really don't see the point.

OG this season is the exact same age as Jaylen last season. And he’s posting better rookie numbers for a similar level team. He plays hard with a high motor every time he’s on the court so I’m not sure that’s accurate and I don’t see Brown’s ability to create his own offense. He scores off the ball in the half court and on the fast break open the open court, just like OG but with less efficiency and he’s one of the worst passing perimeter Players in the league.

So other than your Celtic bias, I still haven’t seen a very good argument.

I think you can fairly compare the two as rookies.

Similar counting stats. OG has been a better shooter. Jaylen did a better job creating contact.They both are very poor passers (very similar AST%’s as rookies 7.5% vs 7.2%). Jaylen has a higher % of unassisted 2pt shots compared to OG (38% vs 23%) indicating a better ability to create. OG had better impact stats as a rookie. Both had great tools and flashed good upside.

Hopefully for the Raptors, OG can make a similar leap in year 2.

I think that Brown is a bit more athletic and I think OG is a better passer (probably the most shocking skill he has shown). I don't think either of them show the offensive chops to be goto types though, more likely high end, athletic 3 and D's.

A lot of people take that description as an insult when describing a young player but not every player is built to be a scorer and bigger 3 and D's are the types of players you need to win in today's league.

[The_Hater]

He's a top 5 rookie. Its rare to see rooks come in and have good advanced stats and actually have a net positive impact.

Simmons, Tatum, Markkanen, Kuzma, Collins, Mitchell, Smith Jr.... He isn't a top five rookie. He's shown very good defense yet doesn't even have a hundred fg attempts yet so it's still a small sample size. However so far more than half of his attempts have been three, hasnt shown a midrange game yet but has been decent at getting to the rim(hasn't finished through contact yet this year though). Offensively it's hard to predict his potential, it's not hard to declare him a very good defender already though.

The only rookie that I would tearfully help pack OG's bag for on this list is Simmons. I would not trade OG for Tatum.

This is the type of ridiculous statement that just shows a person's complete bias on a subject. I would be ecstatic if OG ended up being as good as Tatum is right now.

[Double Helix]

I see Jaylen Brown as more of a rich man's Harrison Barnes to be honest long-term. Comparable offence but with better defence.

[Double Helix]

Long-term, I like Tatum, Fultz, Simmons, and DSJR more than OG. It won't surprise me for some other rookies to develop in ways that also make me see them as superior to OG but those are the 4 very clearly that I'd take in a deal right now.

The other regulars on the rookie lists who are more offensively gifted but who might end up being more 1-way like Markannen, I'm less keen on despite their offensive stats. The Otto Porter/Ron Artest types are more valuable than Ryan Anderson-types.

I like Mitchell, too, but I don't see him as having enough to become a top 10 guy at his position. I think he'll be at most end up somewhere between Jamal Murray and Gary Harris.

Kuzma's defence is going to be better than Markannen's long-term but I still don't think he'll be a plus defender. I think he's basically going to be this generations's LaPhonzo Ellis. Good player but one who's closer to this ceiling right out of the gate than many of his fans will want to admit. I just don't see him adding an awful lot.

[brownbobcat]

The NBA will be FLOODED with mini kawhis in a couple of years
Winslow,Jaylen Brown,Josh JAckson, Anunoby, Oladipo, Ingram, Wiggins

If you're a long athletic SF and you are a patented "high ceiling player" and your BPM and ppg look like 2013 KAwhi
call 0089.0099.7656 GET your "kawhi-licence" right now! hurry up! we can only offer 10 kawhi-licences per draft

Let's be real, nobody thought 2017 Kawhi was the ceiling for 2013 Kawhi.

I'd still be pretty happy if OG peaked at 2013 Kawhi

[Yallbecrazy]

Simmons, Tatum, Markkanen, Kuzma, Collins, Mitchell, Smith Jr.... He isn't a top five rookie. He's shown very good defense yet doesn't even have a hundred fg attempts yet so it's still a small sample size. However so far more than half of his attempts have been three, hasnt shown a midrange game yet but has been decent at getting to the rim(hasn't finished through contact yet this year though). Offensively it's hard to predict his potential, it's not hard to declare him a very good defender already though.

The only rookie that I would tearfully help pack OG's bag for on this list is Simmons. I would not trade OG for Tatum.

This is the type of ridiculous statement that just shows a person's complete bias on a subject. I would be ecstatic if OG ended up being as good as Tatum is right now.

It all depends on what you value. Tatum looks like a player that's floor is a really good role player with a decent chance to be a very good primary player/star.
OG looks to be more of a super elite role player with a very small chance of being the primary scorer. How high do you value Otto Porter types? Porter is shooting insanely well from 3 this year so calling him a rich man's Porter is unfair to Porter. However, he could be Porter with worse shooting, better defending and an outside chance of being able to create for himself.
OG does have a better feel/ better passing than a lot of these comparisons though. He's also never had the chance to create, so it isn't out of the realm if he dedicates himself to it that he could eventually do it. He played on Tatum's team in AAU as a role player, he then broke his wrist and missed some time and wasn't asked to be a creator in college.
He does have a better Ast/TO ratio than most of the comparisons that are being made.

[nikster]

I find it laughable how often people are willing to compare prospects to superstars like Kawhi. He won’t ever be near that level.

Kawhii averaged 8 points and 1 assist as a rookie, so you probably thought the idea that he comes a superstar is laughable too

[nikster]

The only rookie that I would tearfully help pack OG's bag for on this list is Simmons. I would not trade OG for Tatum.

This is the type of ridiculous statement that just shows a person's complete bias on a subject. I would be ecstatic if OG ended up being as good as Tatum is right now.

It all depends on what you value. Tatum looks like a player that's floor is a really good role player with a decent chance to be a very good primary player/star.
OG looks to be more of a super elite role player with a very small chance of being the primary scorer. How high do you value Otto Porter types? Porter is shooting insanely well from 3 this year so calling him a rich man's Porter is unfair to Porter. However, he could be Porter with worse shooting, better defending and an outside chance of being able to create for himself.
OG does have a better feel/ better passing than a lot of these comparisons though. He's also never had the chance to create, so it isn't out of the realm if he dedicates himself to it that he could eventually do it. He played on Tatum's team in AAU as a role player, he then broke his wrist and missed some time and wasn't asked to be a creator in college.
He does have a better Ast/TO ratio than most of the comparisons that are being made.

Not saying OG ever gets as efficient Porter is now, but Porter was a bad shooter coming into the league and improved a ton. OGs potential could be better than porter offensively. I know its a small sample size but he is looking better offensively than Porter in his second season

[Hoopzilla]

Crowder in Boston I think is his realistic ceiling (don’t remeber where I saw that but was a great comparison.)

I see more Ron Artest (Metta World Peace) in him than Crowder.

[Yallbecrazy]

This is the type of ridiculous statement that just shows a person's complete bias on a subject. I would be ecstatic if OG ended up being as good as Tatum is right now.

It all depends on what you value. Tatum looks like a player that's floor is a really good role player with a decent chance to be a very good primary player/star.
OG looks to be more of a super elite role player with a very small chance of being the primary scorer. How high do you value Otto Porter types? Porter is shooting insanely well from 3 this year so calling him a rich man's Porter is unfair to Porter. However, he could be Porter with worse shooting, better defending and an outside chance of being able to create for himself.
OG does have a better feel/ better passing than a lot of these comparisons though. He's also never had the chance to create, so it isn't out of the realm if he dedicates himself to it that he could eventually do it. He played on Tatum's team in AAU as a role player, he then broke his wrist and missed some time and wasn't asked to be a creator in college.
He does have a better Ast/TO ratio than most of the comparisons that are being made.

Not saying OG ever gets as efficient Porter is now, but Porter was a bad shooter coming into the league and improved a ton. OGs potential could be better than porter offensively. I know its a small sample size but he is looking better offensively than Porter in his second season

Porter's shooting hit like the 96th percentile or more of what was expected of him, if OG hits the same percentile then sure. I'm thinking something along the lines of his 40-70% percentile of development.