Season Speculation, Trade Ideas & Discussion Pt. 6

[ImNotMcDiSwear]

not going to lie. I like Julius Randle.

I think Josh Jackson, and Bender are keepers.

We need to let Len walk, and also Trade Chriss.

I'm not big on Randle, it's not 1995 anymore. But I do think jj stays, bender is still in eval, n trade chriss if you have a taker.

Man you are hard to please.

[LukasBMW]

I'd take Lonzo Ball if his dad wasn't such a moron. Seriously.

I'd also still take DeArron Fox if Sacramento wants to sell so soon.

[lilfishi22]

I do not believe the statements above, as he has not shown any of the traits. Self-aware? Smart? Intelligent? You got to be effing kidding me. From all we've seen he is the exact opposite.

I just hope that he was told that this is the last straw. 2nd strike. Whatever.
Let him know that this is unacceptable from a young punk who was only gifted minutes becouse the previous yoga teacher was in love with him. We could still ship his ass out with one/two of our draft picks and get somebody useful. smh

I mean he was studying electrical engineering at UW if I remember correctly, so probably not fair of you to call him the opposite of intelligent. He may not be basketball smart, but he seems far from a punk off the court. This **** happens, you guys are acting like he Markieffed someone in public

Saying he's not intelligent is probably not right but being book smart doesn't make you mature or have the right attitude.

[lilfishi22]

I think the Chriss stuff is really getting overblown here. So he had an argument with an asst coach. Things like that happened. Giannis had a more heated one this year. Seems like I see it all the time. Emotions are high. I know people hate to hear it, but he's young and has fire. People make mistakes. Jackson motioned shooting a gun at the crowd.

Chriss played good ball before he got injured. I bet he comes back strong if he's not being held out for trade or something (which I seriously doubt).

Except Giannis is Giannis. We talkin' bout Chriss and it's certainly not a single incident. He gets a bad rap and it's almost entirely justified. There's a reason why even though Cousins gets a bad rap for attitude and his on court temperament, he mostly gets a pass; because his talent level matches that attitude problem. You can say, well he's never going to be a winner and that's a fine position to have but when we're talking about Chriss, we're not even talking about being a winner, we're talking about just being an NBA pro.

There's zero indication Chriss' talent or on court production matches that of his attitude at all. The guy is young and all but when you're young is when you should be doing everything to prove you belong in the league. Once you've done some stuff in the league, proven your worth then maybe you might have some legitimacy and weight behind your frustration outburst.

[bwgood77]

I think the Chriss stuff is really getting overblown here. So he had an argument with an asst coach. Things like that happened. Giannis had a more heated one this year. Seems like I see it all the time. Emotions are high. I know people hate to hear it, but he's young and has fire. People make mistakes. Jackson motioned shooting a gun at the crowd.

Chriss played good ball before he got injured. I bet he comes back strong if he's not being held out for trade or something (which I seriously doubt).

Except Giannis is Giannis. We talkin' bout Chriss and it's certainly not a single incident. He gets a bad rap and it's almost entirely justified. There's a reason why even though Cousins gets a bad rap for attitude and his on court temperament, he mostly gets a pass; because his talent level matches that attitude problem. You can say, well he's never going to be a winner and that's a fine position to have but when we're talking about Chriss, we're not even talking about being a winner, we're talking about just being an NBA pro.

There's zero indication Chriss' talent or on court production matches that of his attitude at all. The guy is young and all but when you're young is when you should be doing everything to prove you belong in the league. Once you've done some stuff in the league, proven your worth then maybe you might have some legitimacy and weight behind your frustration outburst.

I don't think there is ever a good excuse for it and what Cousins has done was worse, and Giannis' argument looked really bad. I didn't notice Chriss' argument. Those were just some examples and those are the ones you read about because they involve star players...I'm sure it happens often, and while not justified, I just think when you're competitive and emotions are high in a game, sometimes that gets the best of guys, and they need to learn to rein it in. Hopefully he does.

[lilfishi22]

I think the Chriss stuff is really getting overblown here. So he had an argument with an asst coach. Things like that happened. Giannis had a more heated one this year. Seems like I see it all the time. Emotions are high. I know people hate to hear it, but he's young and has fire. People make mistakes. Jackson motioned shooting a gun at the crowd.

Chriss played good ball before he got injured. I bet he comes back strong if he's not being held out for trade or something (which I seriously doubt).

Except Giannis is Giannis. We talkin' bout Chriss and it's certainly not a single incident. He gets a bad rap and it's almost entirely justified. There's a reason why even though Cousins gets a bad rap for attitude and his on court temperament, he mostly gets a pass; because his talent level matches that attitude problem. You can say, well he's never going to be a winner and that's a fine position to have but when we're talking about Chriss, we're not even talking about being a winner, we're talking about just being an NBA pro.

There's zero indication Chriss' talent or on court production matches that of his attitude at all. The guy is young and all but when you're young is when you should be doing everything to prove you belong in the league. Once you've done some stuff in the league, proven your worth then maybe you might have some legitimacy and weight behind your frustration outburst.

I don't think there is ever a good excuse for it and what Cousins has done was worse, and Giannis' argument looked really bad. I didn't notice Chriss' argument. Those were just some examples and those are the ones you read about because they involve star players...I'm sure it happens often, and while not justified, I just think when you're competitive and emotions are high in a game, sometimes that gets the best of guys, and they need to learn to rein it in. Hopefully he does.

It's not an excuse. It's that it can be overlooked because the talent and production outweighs the attitude/immaturity. Nobody talks about the Giannis thing (it was bad, at the time) because he's a superstar, he's proven his worth, has shown he knows a thing or two about the game and for the most part, he hasn't had a history of attitude or immaturity on or off the court.

My issue with Chriss and my disagreement that this is overblown is that his entitled attitude has been on show before on the court. How many times have we seen him argue and stare down refs? He doesn't get it. Emotions always runs high and that's true for 99% of competitors in most sports so let's call it like it is, he's immature, he has an attitude problem and he's entitled.

[jcsunsfan]

Marcus Smart on the trade block. I would take him if the price isn't too high. Wouldn't it be cool if Ainge and McD had an agreement. We cut Moose and they pick him up using the Hayward exception. Then they trade Smart to us for cheap. Smart isn't our long term answer, but having a lock down guard who can guard at least three positions is an asset even off the bench.

[collidingNeurons]

i think this Chriss stuff is getting blown out proportion for some of the fans too. He's obviously bright, if you've ever heard him speak you can tell by how he articulates and by his vocabulary alone. His maturity is the issue but even that doesn't bother me... He's 20. how mature were all of you at that age. I like he's fiery and i think that shows he cares, he needs to learn to control it some but i think he will as he ages. Lots of great and not so great players have had temper issues and fought with coaches, teammates and others especially early in their careers.. now if he ever develops a skill set to consistently contribute is another concern all together

[DaleyBlind]

Do most of us still prefer Bender to Chriss?

[Frank Lee]

Chris feeling the frustration of realizing he is not quite as good as what people convinced him he would be.

[bigfoot]

My guess is if players don't hit a certain number of minutes in the game they are expected to do fitness training afterwards. Chriss probably not happy having to do any extra running/cardio/spinning. Would make sense as he chunked up this summer.

[Qwigglez]

Chris feeling the frustration of realizing he is not quite as good as what people convinced him he would be.

Blame it on Earl Watson saying stuff like he has the potential to be one of the greatest of all time at his position. Be real next time Earl, just tell him he's mediocre, needs to improve every aspect of his game if he even wants to stay in this league. Earl's the type of guy that makes an emotional speech handing out participation trophies to everyone on the team.

[lilfishi22]

Chris feeling the frustration of realizing he is not quite as good as what people convinced him he would be.

Blame it on Earl Watson saying stuff like he has the potential to be one of the greatest of all time at his position. Be real next time Earl, just tell him he's mediocre, needs to improve every aspect of his game if he even wants to stay in this league. Earl's the type of guy that makes an emotional speech handing out participation trophies to everyone on the team.

It's like a child that was super spoiled, was given everything, never was disciplined and always got his way. Now he's been sent to military school and now has to show respect and earn respect. Momma ain't around to coddle you anymore and that attitude ain't gonna fly around here.

Even with the regression in his game, having Triano as his coach instead of Watson is probably the best thing to happen to his career. Chriss was going to get a reality check sooner or later, he should be grateful it's sooner rather than later.

[Saberestar]

Weeks before his Jan. 22 firing, he told close associates that he wouldn’t mind losing his job because he was already looking at landing one of the two jobs he covets.

"It’s amazing that he keeps getting jobs because he’s just an OK coach," one Western Conference GM told Sporting News. "But he is trying to maneuver to get the Phoenix job, and he’s also very interested in New York."

Kidd thinks the Suns and Knicks can show significant improvement in the near future as they build around rising stars Devin Booker in Phoenix and Kristaps Porzingis in New York. The Mills-Perry regime is expected to be running the Knicks into the future, but Phoenix owner Robert Sarver could make wholesale changes to his basketball operations this coming offseason, starting with firing GM Ryan McDonough, sources say.

https://uk.sports.yahoo.com/news/nba-trade-rumors-latest-news-215301202.html?soc_src=social-sh&soc_trk=fb

[jredsaz]

Weeks before his Jan. 22 firing, he told close associates that he wouldn’t mind losing his job because he was already looking at landing one of the two jobs he covets.

"It’s amazing that he keeps getting jobs because he’s just an OK coach," one Western Conference GM told Sporting News. "But he is trying to maneuver to get the Phoenix job, and he’s also very interested in New York."

Kidd thinks the Suns and Knicks can show significant improvement in the near future as they build around rising stars Devin Booker in Phoenix and Kristaps Porzingis in New York. The Mills-Perry regime is expected to be running the Knicks into the future, but Phoenix owner Robert Sarver could make wholesale changes to his basketball operations this coming offseason, starting with firing GM Ryan McDonough, sources say.

https://uk.sports.yahoo.com/news/nba-trade-rumors-latest-news-215301202.html?soc_src=social-sh&soc_trk=fb

[Qwigglez]

Weeks before his Jan. 22 firing, he told close associates that he wouldn’t mind losing his job because he was already looking at landing one of the two jobs he covets.

"It’s amazing that he keeps getting jobs because he’s just an OK coach," one Western Conference GM told Sporting News. "But he is trying to maneuver to get the Phoenix job, and he’s also very interested in New York."

Kidd thinks the Suns and Knicks can show significant improvement in the near future as they build around rising stars Devin Booker in Phoenix and Kristaps Porzingis in New York. The Mills-Perry regime is expected to be running the Knicks into the future, but Phoenix owner Robert Sarver could make wholesale changes to his basketball operations this coming offseason, starting with firing GM Ryan McDonough, sources say.

https://uk.sports.yahoo.com/news/nba-trade-rumors-latest-news-215301202.html?soc_src=social-sh&soc_trk=fb

Obviously Kidd had a significant contribution to Greek Freak, can only imagine what he can do with Booker, Jackson, Bender, Chriss, Warren. Let's do this.

I'm kidding

[thamadkant]

Weeks before his Jan. 22 firing, he told close associates that he wouldn’t mind losing his job because he was already looking at landing one of the two jobs he covets.

"It’s amazing that he keeps getting jobs because he’s just an OK coach," one Western Conference GM told Sporting News. "But he is trying to maneuver to get the Phoenix job, and he’s also very interested in New York."

Kidd thinks the Suns and Knicks can show significant improvement in the near future as they build around rising stars Devin Booker in Phoenix and Kristaps Porzingis in New York. The Mills-Perry regime is expected to be running the Knicks into the future, but Phoenix owner Robert Sarver could make wholesale changes to his basketball operations this coming offseason, starting with firing GM Ryan McDonough, sources say.

https://uk.sports.yahoo.com/news/nba-trade-rumors-latest-news-215301202.html?soc_src=social-sh&soc_trk=fb

That doesn't make sense...


Kidd had Giannis, Parker, Brogdon, Bledsoe etc.

Suns have fewer star players than Bucks...


Or is Kidd obsess about having a sharp shooting star?

[thamadkant]

[gfycat][/gfycat]

Weeks before his Jan. 22 firing, he told close associates that he wouldn’t mind losing his job because he was already looking at landing one of the two jobs he covets.

"It’s amazing that he keeps getting jobs because he’s just an OK coach," one Western Conference GM told Sporting News. "But he is trying to maneuver to get the Phoenix job, and he’s also very interested in New York."

Kidd thinks the Suns and Knicks can show significant improvement in the near future as they build around rising stars Devin Booker in Phoenix and Kristaps Porzingis in New York. The Mills-Perry regime is expected to be running the Knicks into the future, but Phoenix owner Robert Sarver could make wholesale changes to his basketball operations this coming offseason, starting with firing GM Ryan McDonough, sources say.

https://uk.sports.yahoo.com/news/nba-trade-rumors-latest-news-215301202.html?soc_src=social-sh&soc_trk=fb

Obviously Kidd had a significant contribution to Greek Freak, can only imagine what he can do with Booker, Jackson, Bender, Chriss, Warren. Let's do this.

I'm kidding

Is this sarcasm?

Giannis was gonna break out sooner than later. 7 foot freak who moves like a SF.


Kidd seems to be very political... And makes strides behind the board room rather than court success... That's a franchise staller type.

[Qwigglez]

[gfycat][/gfycat]

https://uk.sports.yahoo.com/news/nba-trade-rumors-latest-news-215301202.html?soc_src=social-sh&soc_trk=fb

Obviously Kidd had a significant contribution to Greek Freak, can only imagine what he can do with Booker, Jackson, Bender, Chriss, Warren. Let's do this.

I'm kidding

Is this sarcasm?

Giannis was gonna break out sooner than later. 7 foot freak who moves like a SF.


Kidd seems to be very political... And makes strides behind the board room rather than court success... That's a franchise staller type.

Must've missed my last two words.

[NavLDO]

Spoiler:

Why do you keep responding to my posts twice, and with very long posts? This one even diverts into a discussion about Kemba and the all star game and arguing as if I thought Dragic should get in instead of him. I thought Kemba absolutely deserved that replacement spot, and if not him, Ben Simmons, and if not him Khriss Middleton. I've stated that, so not sure where you were going there.

I'm responding to your post twice, because I had SOOO much insight I wanted to share that was related to your post, and didn't want to take an entire page up with one post...so I split it up.

I was responding to you, because it was related, not because you were against it or you said the things I was responding with...but that would involve a 3rd post, so sorry.

And BTW...it should have been Simmons, then Middleton (if PG wasn't specifically needed to be addressed), Kemba, then 3 other guys...then Dragic...because I thought All-Star games were for this season, not 'patting' players on the back for a season they previously played, but didn't get picked because they weren't good enough then...but somehow are, now???

At first I thought Middleton, and then when everyone was saying Simmons I examined all the numbers closer and felt Kemba actually probably edged out Simmons, though it was close, and maybe I was biased because I knew Simmons would already play in the Rising Stars game, and I really like Kemba....but of course if you let record of your team influence anything, Simmons and Middleton have that edge, but I don't think it should.

One thing I will say about Dragic is, somehow he ends up on teams that win. We had that crazy feel good season with him, and then I think were above 500 the next season when we traded him and went downhill. Then we've been crap since and Miami has been overachieving relative to expectations since they've had him (except for the first half of last year)....so maybe there are some intangibles there. Though Spo is a great coach as well.

Maybe, but as it hasn't been all sunshine and roses for the Heat since his arrival. As a starter, he went 12-14 upon his arrival in Miami in 2015. Last year they failed to make the Playoffs as a .500 team, so again, not all a fairy tale. He was also with use when we went 25-57, and only after we brought on Bledsoe did we get to 48-34.

No matter, he's in now, but it's obvious he's not even close to being the most deserving, and that's what is frustrating to those like Middleton, Kemba, Simmons, and shoot, like I showed in the comparison a few days back...Dinwiddie, Payton, Dunn, Smart...they all compare favorably in several areas.

But if you want a 'feel good' story for an older guy, why not Collison?? The Pacers are 30-24, and Collison DESTROYS Dragic in every category but Total Pts and Total Rebounds.

http://bkref.com/tiny/QPNiZ

But twice as many Stls, half as many TOVs, a .432 3PT% vs .355%, .608 TS% vs .527%, 18.8 PER vs 16, 5.7 WS vs 2.7, VORP of 1.8 vs .7...and so on and so forth...