Warriors without Steph Curry

[Pennebaker]

Since 2011.



Him and LeBron are--BY FAR--the two most impactful/valuable players in the league.

Since 2011? Nah, give us the numbers since KD joined the team.

[taikibansei]

Since 2011.



Him and LeBron are--BY FAR--the two most impactful/valuable players in the league.

Since 2011? Nah, give us the numbers since KD joined the team.

You'll find those numbers on Page 5.

Spoiler:

They prove clyde21 correct.

[Pennebaker]

Since 2011.



Him and LeBron are--BY FAR--the two most impactful/valuable players in the league.

Since 2011? Nah, give us the numbers since KD joined the team.

You'll find those numbers on Page 5.

Spoiler:

They prove clyde21 correct.

No. Page 5 tells us that today's Warriors win the majority of games without Steph Curry. Clyde21 is trying to tell us a different story where the Warriors lose the majority of games without Steph Curry.

Do you think the Cavs would win the majority of their games without LeBron? Of course not. So Clyde21's premise of "Him and LeBron are--BY FAR--the two most impactful/valuable players in the league" based on his screenshot is completely misguided and misleading.

[taikibansei]

Since 2011? Nah, give us the numbers since KD joined the team.

You'll find those numbers on Page 5.

Spoiler:

They prove clyde21 correct.

No. Page 5 tells us that today's Warriors win the majority of games without Steph Curry. Clyde21 is trying to tell us a different story where the Warriors lose the majority of games without Steph Curry.

Do you think the Cavs would win the majority of their games without LeBron? Of course not. So Clyde21's premise of "Him and LeBron are--BY FAR--the two most impactful/valuable players in the league" based on his screenshot is completely misguided and misleading.

No, Page 5 tells you this:

41-10 when Steph plays ---------------------------> .804

And it tells you this:

16-13 without Curry on the year after the loss to the Pelicans in Oakland tonight.

That's a .552 wining percentage which equates to 45 wins (45-37) over an 82-game season.

Put together, for this season, GSW is an amazing 41-10 (.804) when Curry plays, and a pedestrian 16-13 (.552) when he does not. That's a huge swing--a lot different than merely "Page 5 tells us that today's Warriors win the majority of games without Steph Curry."

[WarriorGM]

Curry probably provides the best example in history of on-off impact for an elite team. The case is as cut and dried and black and white as you are likely to find. The Warriors for the past three years have had 3 straight 67-win seasons—never been done before. The year he has some injuries they don't make 60 and the difference can be explained by the number of losses the team had in the games he did not play. But there are people out there who still don't believe Curry has that much impact!

[mcmurphy]

Put together, for this season, GSW is an amazing 41-10 (.804) when Curry plays, and a pedestrian 16-13 (.552) when he does not. That's a huge swing--a lot different than merely "Page 5 tells us that today's Warriors win the majority of games without Steph Curry."

exactly

GSW with Curry and without Durant is a all-time team (67 and 73 team, 1 championship and 1 final)
GSW without Curry and with Durant is a borderline playoff team (this season 45 wins is not sufficient to PO in West)

For those who say that Curry and Durant have the same impact...

p.s.
Curry is the only player in nba history to average a season 55% 2P / 45% 3P / 90% FT (the 73 wins season)

[TwoStarz]

Curry is a better player than durant, even durant knows it himself. Honestly it’s sad how pathetic the warriors look with durant taking the lead. Dude has all the talent in the world but has 0 leadership ability, what a shame.


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[RakimAbdulJabar]

From the start of the season I've been saying the Rockets will play in the finals, my main reason for that was the Warriors signing the scum curse Casspi, however they've just waived him to sign Quinn Cook. This potentially removes the curse placed on the Warriors and they may make the finals after all

[Pillendreher]

I still don't understand how Thompsons tanks so badly without Curry. He goes from 67 TS% with Durant on the floor AND Curry to 52 TS% with Durant on the floor and Curry on the bench. He's shooting 35 % from 3 compared to 49 % with Curry next to him. How is that possible? It's not like people leave him open, even with Curry.

[chyau.00]

From the start of the season I've been saying the Rockets will play in the finals, my main reason for that was the Warriors signing the scum curse Casspi, however they've just waived him to sign Quinn Cook. This potentially removes the curse placed on the Warriors and they may make the finals after all

[chyau.00]

I still don't understand how Thompsons tanks so badly without Curry. He goes from 67 TS% with Durant on the floor AND Curry to 52 TS% with Durant on the floor and Curry on the bench. He's shooting 35 % from 3 compared to 49 % with Curry next to him. How is that possible? It's not like people leave him open, even with Curry.

Isnt his hand still recovering ?

[Pillendreher]

I still don't understand how Thompsons tanks so badly without Curry. He goes from 67 TS% with Durant on the floor AND Curry to 52 TS% with Durant on the floor and Curry on the bench. He's shooting 35 % from 3 compared to 49 % with Curry next to him. How is that possible? It's not like people leave him open, even with Curry.

Isnt his hand still recovering ?

It's the same going back all the way to the start of last season: Since 2016/2017, Thompson's TS% with Durant ON the floor and Curry OFF the floor is 52.5 % in over 1000 minutes. At some point, it's just not variance anymore.

[LeBird]

Since 2011.
Him and LeBron are--BY FAR--the two most impactful/valuable players in the league.

You must be bipolar or just Curry's #1 stan. You've been arguing all year LeBron isn't the most valuable player in the league and yet bring a stat that proves it. You only acknowledge it if it reflects nicely on Steph too though

[WarriorGM]

Since 2011.
Him and LeBron are--BY FAR--the two most impactful/valuable players in the league.

You must be bipolar or just Curry's #1 stan. You've been arguing all year LeBron isn't the most valuable player in the league and yet bring a stat that proves it. You only acknowledge it if it reflects nicely on Steph too though

Curry is the most valuable player: 3 straight 67-win seasons when he was healthy.

[LeBird]

Curry is the most valuable player: 3 straight 67-win seasons when he was healthy.

Curry's so valuable he lets his all-star teammates outplay him in finals.

On a serious note, Curry is certainly valuable to his team and is integral to helping them play at a championship level but GSW is not falling apart without him. He doesn't have LeBron-level impact.

Why start from 2011? I mean the Dubs and Steph were both irrelevant back then, as in 0% chance at ringing or winning MVP. But I guess the numbers put him in the best light starting from 2011.

Their record w/o Steph is 25-12 since his MVP season. Good enough pace for 2nd in the West this year, exactly where they are.

[WarriorGM]

Curry is the most valuable player: 3 straight 67-win seasons when he was healthy.

Curry's so valuable he lets his all-star teammates outplay him in finals.

On a serious note, Curry is certainly valuable to his team and is integral to helping them play at a championship level but GSW is not falling apart without him. He doesn't have LeBron-level impact.

Why start from 2011? I mean the Dubs and Steph were both irrelevant back then, as in 0% chance at ringing or winning MVP. But I guess the numbers put him in the best light starting from 2011.

Their record w/o Steph is 25-12 since his MVP season. Good enough pace for 2nd in the West this year, exactly where they are.

He has Curry level impact which I would take over LeBron level impact. Look at plus minus and RAPM.
Also Irving and Love or Green and Thompson? The first pair were all-stars even before LeBron came.

[LeBird]

He has Curry level impact which I would take over LeBron level impact. Look at plus minus and RAPM.
Also Irving and Love or Green and Thompson? The first pair were all-stars even before LeBron.

Yeah, let's look at stats which greatly benefit from the fact that Curry plays with 2-3 all-stars and deep bench - the most stacked team of all time. It kills me how people on this forum use stats so obliviously.

[mademan]

You'll find those numbers on Page 5.

Spoiler:

They prove clyde21 correct.

No. Page 5 tells us that today's Warriors win the majority of games without Steph Curry. Clyde21 is trying to tell us a different story where the Warriors lose the majority of games without Steph Curry.

Do you think the Cavs would win the majority of their games without LeBron? Of course not. So Clyde21's premise of "Him and LeBron are--BY FAR--the two most impactful/valuable players in the league" based on his screenshot is completely misguided and misleading.

No, Page 5 tells you this:

41-10 when Steph plays ---------------------------> .804

And it tells you this:

16-13 without Curry on the year after the loss to the Pelicans in Oakland tonight.

That's a .552 wining percentage which equates to 45 wins (45-37) over an 82-game season.

Put together, for this season, GSW is an amazing 41-10 (.804) when Curry plays, and a pedestrian 16-13 (.552) when he does not. That's a huge swing--a lot different than merely "Page 5 tells us that today's Warriors win the majority of games without Steph Curry."

I'm assuming at least some of those losses were also without Durant. Curry's value is absolutely incredible, but like the Lebron record and Kyrie missing some games/them being on B2B, taking this record as face value is a little disingenuous.

[YogurtProducer]

I've said this before he went down but can anyone tell me why kd is supposed to he the superior player? Yeah he has more impact on defense since he is much taller but curry impacts the game way more than kd that IDK why people keep saying that kd is better

Because KD's a much better player?

Did you watch him against NO today? Certainly can't pin the loss on him even if he faded a bit down the stretch.

More impactful for a team doesn't equal better player, sorry.

UHHHH okay. You can have the better player every day of the week if it means I get the most impactful.

What the **** does that even mean?

[Onus]

He has Curry level impact which I would take over LeBron level impact. Look at plus minus and RAPM.
Also Irving and Love or Green and Thompson? The first pair were all-stars even before LeBron.

Yeah, let's look at stats which greatly benefit from the fact that Curry plays with 2-3 all-stars and deep bench - the most stacked team of all time. It kills me how people on this forum use stats so obliviously.

That's the whole point, Curry makes his teammates all-stars. Klay and Draymond wouldn't be perennial all stars on any other team. The only reason they're all stars is because the Warriors win so many damn games and they have to credit that to someone. Klay on his own team would struggle to make all star teams, just like Dame does. Draymond on another team would probably be a defensive role player, but he'd probably stand in a corner on offense to be hidden. I don't see too many teams running offense through a below average scorer. How many other superstars or lead offensive guys would be willing to not have the ball in their hands.

If Lebron played on this Warriors team instead of Steph and sans Durant, everyone would be claiming he needs more help that he needs shooters.