Pistons Trading for Tony Snell

[Manocad]

I'm a bit surprised how many people are trashing this trade. Everyone goes on and on about the value of expiring contracts. Well...... this is how they add value. You trade an expiring for a non-expiring and get some sort of asset for doing it. We added a high character guy who is likely to be in the rotation as well.

People around here will bitch no matter what. Which makes you wonder why people waste so much of their time on things that do nothing but infuriate them..

I don't think bitching equates to "infuriated." And it's a discussion forum; it's not always going to be all happy happy joy joy. People are going to be happy about some stuff and not happy about other stuff.

In the grand scheme it's all wasting time; no one here is getting paid for posting, happy or bitching. When there are better things to do, we do them. Right now I could be working, for example. But I'm salaried, I've got about 30 minutes of work to do for the entire rest of the day, so here I am.

I'm easy on this one. Take on more money to potentially get better (worse draft position next year) for no real gain, UNLESS the 30th pick is somehow packaged with something for a higher pick next year.

"Manocad, you just bitch about every single move!" Yes, because my preference is for the team to DO NOTHING this offseason and roll with the same roster--I've said that repeatedly. Whether you think that's right, wrong, good, bad, or whatever is moot. When you'd prefer that the team DO NOTHING then obviously you're not going to like any moves. You can disagree with the ideology but you can't say that my reactions don't adhere to it. So quitcherbitchin' about MY bitchin', bitches.

[Manocad]

This will be the most exciting move we make all offseason. Yay.

I'm not going to bother digging up a link but on The Ticket this morning they were talking about some NBA analyst's (I'm mind blanking on his name; well-known guy) list of the best REALISTIC off-season acquisitions for every NBA team, and there was one for the Pistons--Seth Curry.

Powerful.

[MotownMadness]

This will be the most exciting move we make all offseason. Yay.

I'm not going to bother digging up a link but on The Ticket this morning they were talking about some NBA analyst's (I'm mind blanking on his name; well-known guy) list of the best REALISTIC off-season acquisitions for every NBA team, and there was one for the Pistons--Seth Curry.

Powerful.

Lol, what was it the sound guy with his sources or something?

[Invictus88]

Meh on this? I want to see what Milwaukee ends up doing with Leuer's contract once they can trade it. That can tell us if this was actually a good move.

Technically if Snell is able to contribute positively on any regular basis then it's a short term improvement? Likely at the expense of another year of treadmilling (or leaning that way?).

It's hard to argue against the go for it now folks given Toronto just won a championship against a broken Golden State, but let's see if the shoe finally drops and Kawhi leaves. The move was still worth it for Toronto because they won a championship, but could still set the franchise 'back' in the sense of being substantially less competitive due to getting nothing back if he leaves.

I'd honestly be really happy if we signed Seth Curry? He could be had for a reasonable price right?

[thesack12]

Snell is not better than Bullock or Ellington. How good was Detroit with those guys starting, mediocre at best.

The biggest difference between Snell and those guys is Snell costs $12 mil, Bullock and Ellington cost $2mil.

How is Snell an upgrade to the wing situation last season?

[theBigLip]

I think it is almost hilarious reading the negative comments. We really don't have a lot of choices since we are capped out. So with no cap space and a desperate need for shooters, we turned someone who couldn't get on the floor with an albatross $10M salary into someone who can shoot and a late first rounder. We know Snell isn't the next coming of Paul George, but he can probably shoot better than anyone on our team except for Kennard and Blake. It makes us incrementally better and I'm surprised we were able to do anything at all.

If you wanted us to blow up the team, then I can understand your disappointment. But if we're not, then we were going to have to be patient and wait a year to get cap space to make any real moves. This is about the best we can do for this year.

You can’t win in the Pistons forum

[thesack12]

Also, would someone like to make a case that Detroit couldn't have did better than a overpaid role player and #30 in a crap draft, if they offered $12 mil of pure cap space next summer?

[theBigLip]

I think it is almost hilarious reading the negative comments. We really don't have a lot of choices since we are capped out. So with no cap space and a desperate need for shooters, we turned someone who couldn't get on the floor with an albatross $10M salary into someone who can shoot and a late first rounder. We know Snell isn't the next coming of Paul George, but he can probably shoot better than anyone on our team except for Kennard and Blake. It makes us incrementally better and I'm surprised we were able to do anything at all.

If you wanted us to blow up the team, then I can understand your disappointment. But if we're not, then we were going to have to be patient and wait a year to get cap space to make any real moves. This is about the best we can do for this year.

All I hear is wait, wait and wait! Lakers didnt wait to get Davis, they traded they're young pieces and draft picks. Jazz didnt wait, they traded vets and draft picks for Conley. Raptors didn't wait, they traded vets for Leonard. We didnt wait last year, we traded for Blake and our team improved. Why are we waiting when we actually have something special with Blake and Drummond right now?

Yall got stop acting like Snell is good. He's an overpaid role player at best. But shoot, maybe I have to wait and see if he proves us wrong this year man.

The difference between us and the Lakers is they actually had cap space and good assets, of which we have neither. A #4 pick, Ball, Ingram, Kuzma were all expendable. So we have a #15 pick and Kennard. That's not going to get you Davis. And even if we did package them and got a good starter, is that worth giving them up? I can understand your frustration but we are working our way out of the SVG era. Next year a lot of those mistakes go away.

[MotownMadness]

Also, would someone like to make a case that Detroit couldn't have did better than a overpaid role player and #30 in a crap draft, if they offered $12 mil of pure cap space next summer?

It’s not a crap draft unless you tanked for a star and ended up with something other then a top 3. It’s deep though with lots of good prospects around 30.

You guys should educate yourselves more instead of just bitching

[vege]

**** you Ed Stafanski, you piece of ****. **** idiot, taking on a lot of money for a horrible player. I can't believe this clown is calling the shots and ruining our franchise. I miss SVG and Joe D.

[thesack12]

Also, would someone like to make a case that Detroit couldn't have did better than a overpaid role player and #30 in a crap draft, if they offered $12 mil of pure cap space next summer?

It’s not a crap draft unless you tanked for a star and ended up with something other then a top 3. It’s deep though with lots of good prospects around 30.

You guys should educate yourselves more instead of just bitching

Yeah, I mean its not like the draft circles havent been talking about the poor quality of this draft for a year now.

I also always get a laugh people classifying opinions that differ from their own as "bitching, whining, crying" etc.

[MotownMadness]

**** you Ed Stafanski, you piece of ****. **** idiot, taking on a lot of money for a horrible player. I can't believe this clown is calling the shots and ruining our franchise. I miss SVG and Joe D.

We just got a young player under team control for the next 8 years if he works out for taking on a year of Snell.

That’s smart and how you rebuild when you lack talent, capspace and depth.

[Spider156]

**** you Ed Stafanski, you piece of ****. **** idiot, taking on a lot of money for a horrible player. I can't believe this clown is calling the shots and ruining our franchise. I miss SVG and Joe D.

? I can't tell if you're serious. This was a good trade. We can easily flip Snell next year as an expiring and get another pick out of it. Snell is a good perimeter defender shooting 40% from 3. I don't get the hate. He's exactly what we need.

[MotownMadness]

Also, would someone like to make a case that Detroit couldn't have did better than a overpaid role player and #30 in a crap draft, if they offered $12 mil of pure cap space next summer?

It’s not a crap draft unless you tanked for a star and ended up with something other then a top 3. It’s deep though with lots of good prospects around 30.

You guys should educate yourselves more instead of just bitching

Yeah, I mean its not like the draft circles havent been talking about the poor quality of this draft for a year now.

I also always get a laugh people classifying opinions that differ from their own as "bitching, whining, crying" etc.

Nobody said it’s a weak draft in that sense. They are talking about high end star potential. Not my fault you choose not to do your own research and look into prospects

[vege]

**** you Ed Stafanski, you piece of ****. **** idiot, taking on a lot of money for a horrible player. I can't believe this clown is calling the shots and ruining our franchise. I miss SVG and Joe D.

We just got a young player under team control for the next 8 years if he works out for taking on a year of Snell.

That’s smart and how you rebuild when you lack talent, capspace and depth.

LMAO the #30 pick? You're not serious right? You know what are the odds of the #30 pick playing more than 1 year in the NBA?

[MotownMadness]

**** you Ed Stafanski, you piece of ****. **** idiot, taking on a lot of money for a horrible player. I can't believe this clown is calling the shots and ruining our franchise. I miss SVG and Joe D.

We just got a young player under team control for the next 8 years if he works out for taking on a year of Snell.

That’s smart and how you rebuild when you lack talent, capspace and depth.

LMAO the #30 pick? You're not serious right? You know what are the odds of the #30 pick playing more than 1 year in the NBA?

What are the odds? Educate us, actually I don’t care what other drafts produced cause it’s irrelevant to this draft.

[vege]

**** you Ed Stafanski, you piece of ****. **** idiot, taking on a lot of money for a horrible player. I can't believe this clown is calling the shots and ruining our franchise. I miss SVG and Joe D.

? I can't tell if you're serious. This was a good trade. We can easily flip Snell next year as an expiring and get another pick out of it. Snell is a good perimeter defender shooting 40% from 3. I don't get the hate. He's exactly what we need.

He is a 24 million version of GRIII. When was the last time you watched Snell play? There is a reason why Sterlin Brown, who is worse than Bruce Brown, was playing ahead of Snell when Snell was healthy. HE IS BAD. Expect a lot of 0/0/0/0/0 box score games from this piece of ****. To replace GRIII 0/0/0/0/0 games. Now to make things perfect, ED the clown Stefanski should pick up GRIII option so we can play both together.

[CubicalLake7]

@MotownMadness and odds of finding a player at 30

Courtesy of Laimbeer two or three pages ago.

Number 30

Year Player School/Country – Team
2018 Omari Spellman, Villanova – Atlanta Hawks
2017 Josh Hart, Villanova – Utah Jazz
2016 Damian Jones, Vanderbilt – Golden State Warriors
2015 Kevon Looney, UCLA – Golden State Warriors
2014 Kyle Anderson, UCLA – San Antonia Spurs
2013 Nemanja Nedovic, Serbia – Phoenix Suns
2012 Festus Ezeli, Vanderbilt – Golden State Warriors
2011 Jimmy Butler, Marquette University – Chicago Bulls
2010 Lazar Hayward, Marquette University – Washington Wizards

2000’s

2009 Christian Eyenga, Congo – Cleveland Cavaliers
2008 J.R Giddens, New Mexico – Boston Celtics
2007 Petteri Koponen, Finland – Philadelphia 76ers
2006 Joel Freeland, United Kingdom – Portland Trail Blazers
2005 David Lee, Florida – New York Knicks

2nd Round:
2004 Anderson Varejao, Brazil – Orlando Magic
2003 Maciej Lampe, Poland – New York Knicks
2002 Steve Logan, University of Cincinnati – Golden State Warriors
2001 Gilbert Arenas, University of Arizona – Golden State Warriors
2000 Marko Jaric, Serbia – L.A. Clippers[/quote]

[DBC10]

Wow, some heated discussions. I didn't know this move was going to be that contentious.

I kind of like it? It sort of sets us up for either a blockbuster trade signalling a rebuild or we go all in for the usual 8th seed bastard bowl. Either way, one will be watchable, the other won't.

I can see a team calling for BG or Drummond now, surprisingly. Knicks, ATL, SAC, and even Boston. There's potential there.

[vege]

We just got a young player under team control for the next 8 years if he works out for taking on a year of Snell.

That’s smart and how you rebuild when you lack talent, capspace and depth.

LMAO the #30 pick? You're not serious right? You know what are the odds of the #30 pick playing more than 1 year in the NBA?

What are the odds? Educate us, actually I don’t care what other drafts produced cause it’s irrelevant to this draft.

Well there is a serious issue with my statement. Usually competent franchises draft at #30. But when the pick is traded it's never a NBA player who is selected.