NBA 2020 Draft Prospects Thread

babyjax13 · Post #121 » by **babyjax13** » Sat Apr 11, 2020 4:24 am

Well, we might end up with a lotto pick if one of Rudy/Donovan gets traded, so I guess it makes sense to talk about those guys more, now. I'm just going to assume Rudy gets moved for what amounts to the 5th pick + a prospect/another future pick (depressing). We also have that pick outstanding to Memphis (which really sucks, Conley might cost us a lottery pick).

Catchall · Post #122 » by **Catchall** » Sat Apr 11, 2020 3:16 pm

babyjax13 wrote:Well, we might end up with a lotto pick if one of Rudy/Donovan gets traded, so I guess it makes sense to talk about those guys more, now. I'm just going to assume Rudy gets moved for what amounts to the 5th pick + a prospect/another future pick (depressing). We also have that pick outstanding to Memphis (which really sucks, Conley might cost us a lottery pick).

If the Jazz trade Rudy, it will be because he wants to leave in free agency and/or because he wants a supermax contract. Whatever personal differences there are between Mitchell and Rudy shouldn't be enough to split up the team. I think the Jazz will probably start the season and see if things can be smoothed over, rather than trade him on draft day.

This isn't a particularly great draft in the top 5 range. If the Jazz were to trade Rudy, I'd consider a deal with Chicago that includes Markkanen and their top-7 pick. I'd then probably target Okongwu. Okoro and Okongwu are athletic and aggressive enough to be impact players.

babyjax13 · Post #123 » by **babyjax13** » Mon Apr 13, 2020 11:01 pm

I'm starting to get a sneaky feeling that we try to trade for DeJounte Murray. We LOVED him that draft and desperately tried to get him. He is on a reasonable deal, is an elite defender, and has become a passable shooter (37% from 3 on low volume).

Catchall · Post #124 » by **Catchall** » Mon Apr 13, 2020 11:51 pm

babyjax13 wrote:I'm starting to get a sneaky feeling that we try to trade for DeJounte Murray. We LOVED him that draft and desperately tried to get him. He is on a reasonable deal, is an elite defender, and has become a passable shooter (37% from 3 on low volume).

I don't see the Spurs letting him go easily. They tend to like the same players we like. Who would we trade?

I could see the Jazz like Theo Maledon and Kira Lewis in the draft.

babyjax13 · Post #125 » by **babyjax13** » Tue Apr 14, 2020 5:07 pm

Catchall wrote:
babyjax13 wrote:I'm starting to get a sneaky feeling that we try to trade for DeJounte Murray. We LOVED him that draft and desperately tried to get him. He is on a reasonable deal, is an elite defender, and has become a passable shooter (37% from 3 on low volume).

I don't see the Spurs letting him go easily. They tend to like the same players we like. Who would we trade?

I could see the Jazz like Theo Maledon and Kira Lewis in the draft.

I could see the Spurs feeling like they have too much redundancy in the backcourt and asking for Royce + Bradley + 2nds/prospects.

Catchall · Post #126 » by **Catchall** » Fri Apr 17, 2020 4:22 pm

If the season resumes, and the Jazz play 5 more regular-season games, I hope they lose 3 of them and we can slip by OKC and Miami in the draft order. There are 22 guys that I'd feel good about drafting.

If our main targets are gone, I'd consider taking a flyer on Aleksej Pokusevski, who reminds me a bit of a young Keith Van Horn at Utah.

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Catchall · Post #127 » by **Catchall** » Sun Apr 19, 2020 5:14 pm

Bolmaro declared.

https://www.eurohoops.net/en/nba-news/1051904/leandro-bolmaro-declared-for-the-2020-nba-draft/?utm_medium=Social&utm_source=Twitter

babyjax13 · Post #128 » by **babyjax13** » Wed Apr 22, 2020 8:40 pm

RJ Hampton apparently may drop. I love him, he just moves like an NBA player. Extremely fluid, fast, deliberate...shot isn't there yet but it doesn't look broken - I think teams are really missing out.

Catchall · Post #129 » by **Catchall** » Thu Apr 23, 2020 9:19 pm

babyjax13 wrote:RJ Hampton apparently may drop. I love him, he just moves like an NBA player. Extremely fluid, fast, deliberate...shot isn't there yet but it doesn't look broken - I think teams are really missing out.

He looks like the player people hoped Dante Exum would be. Not quite as cerebral right now though. Nice player. His upside could be like 80% of John Wall, imo.

The 10 - 20 range of this draft is really a sweet spot: Cole Anthony, RJ Hampton, Devin Vassell, Aaron Nesmith, Saddiq Bey, Jaden McDaniels, the Pokusevki guy, Kira Lewis, Patrick Williams, Theo Maledon... That's a pretty strong third tier.

Catchall · Post #130 » by **Catchall** » Sun Apr 26, 2020 8:19 pm

The only guys I see in this draft who have All-NBA potential are Wiseman, Okoro and maybe Ball.

Guys who have All Star potential are the aforementioned plus Edwards, Toppin and McDaniels.

Then there appear to be a half dozen other players who have fringe AS potential, including Hayes, Hampton, Anthony, Vassell, Avdija, Pokusevski and maybe our guy Bolmaro.

babyjax13 · Post #131 » by **babyjax13** » Mon Apr 27, 2020 7:13 pm

Catchall wrote:The only guys I see in this draft who have All-NBA potential are Wiseman, Okoro and maybe Ball.

Guys who have All Star potential are the aforementioned plus Edwards, Toppin and McDaniels.

Then there appear to be a half dozen other players who have fringe AS potential, including Hayes, Hampton, Anthony, Vassell, Avdija, Pokusevski and maybe our guy Bolmaro.

I think Hayes is - by far - the best prospect in the draft.

Catchall · Post #132 » by **Catchall** » Mon Apr 27, 2020 8:36 pm

babyjax13 wrote:
Catchall wrote:The only guys I see in this draft who have All-NBA potential are Wiseman, Okoro and maybe Ball.

Guys who have All Star potential are the aforementioned plus Edwards, Toppin and McDaniels.

Then there appear to be a half dozen other players who have fringe AS potential, including Hayes, Hampton, Anthony, Vassell, Avdija, Pokusevski and maybe our guy Bolmaro.

I think Hayes is - by far - the best prospect in the draft.

I like Hayes and think he's legit a top 5 pick in the draft, but for him to be an All Star/All NBA-caliber player he need's to become a pretty elite shot maker. He shows flashes, but it's not a given he'll get there.

I think Okoro is the best prospect in the draft in terms of upside. He's an explosive athlete with elite timing and body control. He gets downhill and gets on top of the rim. He plays with an edge on both ends. If he can improve his shot and expand his game off the dribble, his ceiling is really, really high, especially with NBA spacing. He and Mitchell together really would be amazing.

People criticize Wiseman for his lack of feel for the game and limited defensive instincts, but with his size and athleticism, he doesn't really need to do that much to dominate a game. He just needs to play with energy and he can be like a slightly bigger version of Andre Drummond.

babyjax13 · Post #133 » by **babyjax13** » Tue Apr 28, 2020 10:59 pm

Big board at 24 (players with a good chance of being available):
1. Leandro Bolmaro
2. Aaron Nesmith
3. Tyler Bey
4. Patrick Williams
5. Precious Achiuwa
6. Paul Reed
7. Nico Mannion
8. Theo Maledon

Catchall · Post #134 » by **Catchall** » Wed Apr 29, 2020 3:04 am

babyjax13 wrote:Big board at 24 (players with a good chance of being available):
1. Leandro Bolmaro
2. Aaron Nesmith
3. Tyler Bey
4. Patrick Williams
5. Precious Achiuwa
6. Paul Reed
7. Nico Mannion
8. Theo Maledon

Guys on your list (and similar range) that I like for the Jazz:

1) Aleksej Pokusevski
2) Leandro Bolmaro
3) Aaron Nesmith
4) Kira Lewis
5) Theo Maledon
6) Patrick Williams
7) Jalen Smith
8) Josh Green
9) Jahmius Ramsey
10) Precious Achiuwa

babyjax13 · Post #135 » by **babyjax13** » Wed Apr 29, 2020 3:13 am

I'm actually really intruiged by Keyontae Johnson, I think he should be in the conversation for the first roundk, but he's not mocked in 2020 anywhere, and nbadraft.net mocks him as #60 in 2021.

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Catchall · Post #136 » by **Catchall** » Wed Apr 29, 2020 3:21 am

babyjax13 wrote:I'm actually really intruiged by Keyontae Johnson, I think he should be in the conversation for the first roundk, but he's not mocked in 2020 anywhere, and nbadraft.net mocks him as #60 in 2021.

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Is he declared for this draft? He looks like a mid-late 2nd-round pick to me, in the scrum with a bunch of other guys.

babyjax13 · Post #137 » by **babyjax13** » Wed Apr 29, 2020 4:26 am

Catchall wrote:
babyjax13 wrote:I'm actually really intruiged by Keyontae Johnson, I think he should be in the conversation for the first roundk, but he's not mocked in 2020 anywhere, and nbadraft.net mocks him as #60 in 2021.

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Is he declared for this draft? He looks like a mid-late 2nd-round pick to me, in the scrum with a bunch of other guys.

He and Scottie Lewis have announced they are returning to school. Curious how this will affect their stock. In Lewis' case, I think it is a good idea.

Pistol King · Post #138 » by **Pistol King** » Thu Apr 30, 2020 4:57 pm

babyjax13 wrote:
Catchall wrote:The only guys I see in this draft who have All-NBA potential are Wiseman, Okoro and maybe Ball.

Guys who have All Star potential are the aforementioned plus Edwards, Toppin and McDaniels.

Then there appear to be a half dozen other players who have fringe AS potential, including Hayes, Hampton, Anthony, Vassell, Avdija, Pokusevski and maybe our guy Bolmaro.

I think Hayes is - by far - the best prospect in the draft.

I noticed he's over hyped recently. He intrigued me back then but when the hype started to grow I came back
to watch his tape and try to look if I miss something, and he again looked nowhere near a top 5 pick to me in this class. Just too slow, not creative or crafty enough while driving to the rim, and seem not a good shooter in C&S either which is the basic of a shooting. Adding a video someone posted about his finishing struggles:

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Catchall · Post #139 » by **Catchall** » Thu Apr 30, 2020 5:45 pm

Pistol King wrote:
babyjax13 wrote:
Catchall wrote:The only guys I see in this draft who have All-NBA potential are Wiseman, Okoro and maybe Ball.

Guys who have All Star potential are the aforementioned plus Edwards, Toppin and McDaniels.

Then there appear to be a half dozen other players who have fringe AS potential, including Hayes, Hampton, Anthony, Vassell, Avdija, Pokusevski and maybe our guy Bolmaro.

I think Hayes is - by far - the best prospect in the draft.

I noticed he's over hyped recently. He intrigued me back then but when the hype started to grow I came back
to watch his tape and try to look if I miss something, and he again looked nowhere near a top 5 pick to me in this class. Just too slow, not creative or crafty enough while driving to the rim, and seem not a good shooter in C&S either which is the basic of a shooting. Adding a video someone posted about his finishing struggles:

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He just doesn't have much explostion. I think the D'lo comps are valid. He's got to become an elite shotmaker. He has the potential to be a borderline All Star, but needs to develop to reach that ceiling. I'm not confident that he gets all the way there.

babyjax13 · Post #140 » by **babyjax13** » Thu Apr 30, 2020 5:51 pm

Catchall wrote:
Pistol King wrote:
babyjax13 wrote:
I think Hayes is - by far - the best prospect in the draft.

I noticed he's over hyped recently. He intrigued me back then but when the hype started to grow I came back
to watch his tape and try to look if I miss something, and he again looked nowhere near a top 5 pick to me in this class. Just too slow, not creative or crafty enough while driving to the rim, and seem not a good shooter in C&S either which is the basic of a shooting. Adding a video someone posted about his finishing struggles:

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I think the D'lo comps are valid. He's got to become an elite shotmaker. He has the potential to be a borderline All Star, but needs to develop to reach that ceiling. I'm not confident that he gets all the way there.

I think the D'Lo comps are accurate, as well, except Hayes plays defense. That's D'Lo's biggest problem. That's a guy who makes a couple of all-star games (as a floor) so I'm pretty confident in him as a prospect. He's also one of the youngest prospects playing in a decent league, so I'm going to take a wait and see with the finishing. As he adds burst/strength over the next 2-3 years I think that will improve.