[Charania] Pacers Open To Trading Myles Turner Or Damontas Sabonis

[LoveMyRaps]

People basing their love of Myles Turner purely off of yahoo! fantasy basketball stats.

Nopes. I've been vouching for Turner for years. Always been a fan of his game and still think he has some untapped potential that the Raptors development and coaching staff can unlock.
He'd also benefit from a change of scenery. It sucks that Indiana tried to force Sabonis & Turner to co-exist when it was obvious they couldn't from day 1.
Turner would be a great fit on this squad. Still only 25.
If Indiana is willing to trade Turner for Flynn + Boucher + 1st, then I'd do it.

[tdotrep2]

Masai has said Raps will do it their way, That does not include making trades for the now.

for the now? hes 25 year old center whos profile is severely lacking on this roster

[pingpongrac]

The issue with trading for Turner is it would almost never make sense for both Toronto and Indiana unless other teams are involved.

Giving up Siakam for Turner would require Indiana to send out an additional 10.5M and Indiana doesn't have any sweeteners in that 10-15M range (just Lamb or Warren) to consider a deal; Turner+Lamb or Turner+Warren just isn't a good return for an all-star caliber player like Siakam. Giving up FVV for Turner would be instant regret. As we've seen this season, we fall apart without FVV on the floor (+14 on/off) and we need his three-point shooting + point of attack defence. Giving up OG for Turner is an absolute no. OG is younger and far more valuable. Giving up Scottie for Turner is an even bigger no than for OG. Not happening.

Indiana won't -- or at least shouldn't -- be interested in our expirings (Dragic and Boucher) and we don't have enough mid-tier salaries to make many other deals worthwhile unless Indiana is taking back 3-4 players and waiving one or two of their own. We're also in no position to be trading a 1st RD pick, so those type of deals are out too.

The only trade that might make sense is a straight-up GTJ for Turner swap. They're making similar money for the next two years (~18M) and they'll both likely be due for a pay increase in 2023/24. The major difference is GTJ will be turning 25 while Turner will be turning 28. I don't think a GTJ for Turner deal makes either team noticeably better in the short term or long term though.


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[TRik]

People basing their love of Myles Turner purely off of yahoo! fantasy basketball stats.

Hmmm. I don’t know if it’s love, maybe more feeling desperate for a (bigger) big man.

I love the switching potential with Precious but it’s deflating when we play teams that dominate us on the inside. Trade for Turner, lose some switchability but gain inside presence. I legit don’t know what’s better.

[will]

People basing their love of Myles Turner purely off of yahoo! fantasy basketball stats.

Nopes. I've been vouching for Turner for years. Always been a fan of his game and still think he has some untapped potential that the Raptors development and coaching staff can unlock.
He'd also benefit from a change of scenery. It sucks that Indiana tried to force Sabonis & Turner to co-exist when it was obvious they couldn't from day 1.
Turner would be a great fit on this squad. Still only 25.
If Indiana is willing to trade Turner for Flynn + Boucher + 1st, then I'd do it.

Yeah, remember that when McMillan was coaching Indy. He had Sabonis coming off the bench, but then he was playing so well that McMillan just said EFF IT and threw them together in the starting 5.

They are a terrible compliment to each other like oil and water.

[will]

People basing their love of Myles Turner purely off of yahoo! fantasy basketball stats.

Hmmm. I don’t know if it’s love, maybe more feeling desperate for a (bigger) big man.

I love the switching potential with Precious but it’s deflating when we play teams that dominate us on the inside. Trade for Turner, lose some switchability but gain inside presence. I legit don’t know what’s better.

Myles on the Raps would be an upgrade, but he is hardly the consistent rebounder and rim protector that the Raptors need.

[AbC?]

Turner is going to go for the Aaron Gordon package - a decent prospect and a late 1st. He's simply not as valuable as most fans seem to think. He's a young quality starting level player and that's about it. He hasn't meaningfully improved his entire career. He doesn't impact the game nearly as much as his defensive numbers would indicate. He is not a great rebounder and his offensive game is extremely limited. Very overrated by our board. He's been available for years and the interest has not been there.

He would be a good addition to a contending team kind of like Brook Lopez was for the Bucks. If you're expecting anything more than that from him he is going to disappoint.

Trading Siakam for Turner would be pure idiocy and it's obviously nothing the Raptors would even think of entertaining.

[Kingsway_fan]

"nothing here, move along" ...

[Johnny Bball]

http://www.espn.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=yy6ygge4

This is about what I think is fair for Turner including adding a FRP in 2022 or 2023, Top 10 protected.

Want nothing to do with Levert or Sabonis.

That said... I'm not sure there's a dire need at this stage of your build to make that trade. He's two years from UFA.

[PT416]

Dragic + 1st for Turner would be a dream.

I get it, we can luck out and get a top 5-10 in the draft. I get it. But we currently have 3 starters entering or in their prime (Pascal, Fred, OG), and 2 starters developing (Trent & Barnes). It would make more sense to compliment Pascal, Fred and OG's timeline with Turner and let Barnes and Trent catch up which they will and to be honest already are basically on the same level. Much better than drafting another young guy and waiting like 2 years (realistically) for them to start reaching their potential.

[Raptorfan2012]

http://www.espn.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=yy6ygge4

This is about what I think is fair for Turner including adding a FRP in 2022 or 2023, Top 10 protected.

Want nothing to do with Levert or Sabonis.

You probably trade GTJ and Precious and some sort of pick for Turner.

[UcanUwill]

Raptors are on opposite path of this, team is rebuilding and needs young assets, not trade young assets for win now players who surely do not put this team over the top. Masai said team will not be in no mans land.

[Johnny Bball]

http://www.espn.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=yy6ygge4

This is about what I think is fair for Turner including adding a FRP in 2022 or 2023, Top 10 protected.

Want nothing to do with Levert or Sabonis.

You probably trade GTJ and Precious and some sort of pick for Turner.

Pass. Jarett Allen cost Prince and a FRP. I think its more in that range, Prince being ballast.

[Psubs]

Turner is going to go for the Aaron Gordon package - a decent prospect and a late 1st. He's simply not as valuable as most fans seem to think. He's a young quality starting level player and that's about it. He hasn't meaningfully improved his entire career. He doesn't impact the game nearly as much as his defensive numbers would indicate. He is not a great rebounder and his offensive game is extremely limited. Very overrated by our board. He's been available for years and the interest has not been there.

He would be a good addition to a contending team kind of like Brook Lopez was for the Bucks. If you're expecting anything more than that from him he is going to disappoint.

Trading Siakam for Turner would be pure idiocy and it's obviously nothing the Raptors would even think of entertaining.

Boucher, Precious and 1st pick for Turner, cash and 2nd pick?

[Johnny Bball]

Turner is going to go for the Aaron Gordon package - a decent prospect and a late 1st. He's simply not as valuable as most fans seem to think. He's a young quality starting level player and that's about it. He hasn't meaningfully improved his entire career. He doesn't impact the game nearly as much as his defensive numbers would indicate. He is not a great rebounder and his offensive game is extremely limited. Very overrated by our board. He's been available for years and the interest has not been there.

He would be a good addition to a contending team kind of like Brook Lopez was for the Bucks. If you're expecting anything more than that from him he is going to disappoint.

Trading Siakam for Turner would be pure idiocy and it's obviously nothing the Raptors would even think of entertaining.

Boucher, Precious and 1st pick for Turner, cash and 2nd pick?

does that add up to 18 million in salary?

[Indeed]

Anyone starting to lose faith in OG's health? Has this guy played a 75+ game season without injuries yet? Maybe, just maybe we consider some trade packages for him.

No

[Zeno]

http://www.espn.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=yy6ygge4

This is about what I think is fair for Turner including adding a FRP in 2022 or 2023, Top 10 protected.

Want nothing to do with Levert or Sabonis.

That said... I'm not sure there's a dire need at this stage of your build to make that trade. He's two years from UFA.

Yeah, that’s about it. I think you’d need to add Lamb and Boucher for both teams to avoid the tax too. Lamb would be a good add as a scorer off the bench though he wouldn’t get the statistical bump from playing us. I agree that I’m not sure it makes sense to do this though and I think Indy turns it down too.

[sidsid]

Other than GTJ, i don't see anyone on the raps who the pacers would be interested in. GTJ can't be moved until March 3rd so I doubt the Raptors would be involved.

Obviously OG and Barnes wouldn't be moved.

Jan 15th is the date for those who has increased salary. March 3rd was last year with a shorten (and late) season.
The trade deadline for this year is Feb 10th, I believe.

Obviously OG and Barnes wouldn't be moved. So to match salary, it would be Siakam, VanVleet and Trent, but I would argue for the purpose of trading Turner is for Siakam, so I personally think you rule out Siakam as well.

That's what I see too. Getting the goldilocks C who can defend size and keep them off the boards, plug the help D hole, and spread the floor *without* requiring much usage is something you do to make your dream 6'9" lineup work before you finish the games with a death lineup.

Before this rebuild notice, Fred would have been a guy I think they would have been ok with - the scrappy type they like that could fit with Brogdon (but they were trying to ship him out too so who knows). Now, GTJ is the only guy we'd be willing to give that fits a youth movement. Contracts are the same.

But we're not in a position to move picks and prospects for a guy who is on the low playoff ceiling side like Fred and GTJ. We have to translate these salary slots into a star anyway at some point and it's not worth mortgaging futures for a deck chair moving exercise. Straight up trades (or add Yuta or other expiring depth), and nothing more.

[Jadoogar]

http://www.espn.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=yy6ygge4

This is about what I think is fair for Turner including adding a FRP in 2022 or 2023, Top 10 protected.

Want nothing to do with Levert or Sabonis.

That said... I'm not sure there's a dire need at this stage of your build to make that trade. He's two years from UFA.

if that's all it takes, i would do it easily but there is no way the Pacers couldn't find a better deal than that.

[Psubs]

Turner is going to go for the Aaron Gordon package - a decent prospect and a late 1st. He's simply not as valuable as most fans seem to think. He's a young quality starting level player and that's about it. He hasn't meaningfully improved his entire career. He doesn't impact the game nearly as much as his defensive numbers would indicate. He is not a great rebounder and his offensive game is extremely limited. Very overrated by our board. He's been available for years and the interest has not been there.

He would be a good addition to a contending team kind of like Brook Lopez was for the Bucks. If you're expecting anything more than that from him he is going to disappoint.

Trading Siakam for Turner would be pure idiocy and it's obviously nothing the Raptors would even think of entertaining.

Boucher, Precious and 1st pick for Turner, cash and 2nd pick?

does that add up to 18 million in salary?

Dragic, Precious and 1st pick for Turner and 2nd pick.