Game 31 GSW vs SAC

[Onus]

You must have loved last season where Wiseman had no leash and GS missed the playoffs.

Context is different this year. Last year we were clawing to make the playoffs, where every game matters. This year we have a few games lead on the 3 seed. Our team is good enough this year that we should be able to survive a few minutes for the rookies against the bottom dwellers.

We literally just threw a game away because we’re happy with we’re we are.

[cladden]

Would much rather see Moody, despite his shooting woes, playing instead of Chiozza. Defense is still part of the game.

Chiozza is just out there running round.

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That reminds me of one of my favorite tweets of all time.

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[ILOVEIT]

Can anyone explain to me what the **** happened to Steph's shot the last month? The guy is shooting like a complete imposter since and the bizarre thing is the shots he is missing (open 3s, his % near rim is worst since 12/13 I think).

What in the hell has gotten into the guy?

It is Chiozza's fault. Chiozza playing screws with Curry's mind and makes him miss his shots.

WTF is Chiozza doing on the Warriors....let alone the league??? All he does is dribble to a spot, get wide open, and pass it. Are the Warriors saying they can't do better for a ball distributor than this undersized won't shoot defensively liability?

[floppymoose]

We literally just threw a game away because we’re happy with we’re we are.

I thought it was so Curry/Green/Wiggins didnt get stranded in Toronto. They didn't travel. There was more to it than just resting them.

Moody will earn more minutes or he wont. Meanwhile GS has a season to think about.

[DevinVassell]

Can anyone explain to me what the **** happened to Steph's shot the last month? The guy is shooting like a complete imposter since and the bizarre thing is the shots he is missing (open 3s, his % near rim is worst since 12/13 I think).

What in the hell has gotten into the guy?

It is Chiozza's fault. Chiozza playing screws with Curry's mind and makes him miss his shots.

WTF is Chiozza doing on the Warriors....let alone the league??? All he does is dribble to a spot, get wide open, and pass it. Are the Warriors saying they can't do better for a ball distributor than this undersized won't shoot defensively liability?

We are in agreeance! Pretty sure that's the first time I've used that word, so thanks. I don't want to hate on the guy because I'm sure he is great... to sit down and play video games with or something but pretending he is the best we can do is well... lazy. Get rid of him already.

I may like a little Chiozza on my pizza but I don't like a little Chiozza on my NBA team.

[SinceGatlingWasARookie]

WTF is Chiozza doing on the Warriors....let alone the league??? All he does is dribble to a spot, get wide open, and pass it. Are the Warriors saying they can't do better for a ball distributor than this undersized won't shoot defensively liability?[/quote]
Wannamaker last year, Avery Bradley, and Chiozza and Payton this year shows a concenrn to find a point guard or tweener guard.

With Draymond, Iguodala, Poole, Lee, amd Wiggins I don't go into a panic about "what whill happen to our playmaking" every time Curry sits, and we have Payton who can at least push the ball up the court and defend point guards.

So even though I think both the hate of Chiozza, Lee and Toscano is getting rediculous as is the Idea that we are playing Choizza, Lee and Toscano over our sweet dream fantassy version of what Kuminga and Moody woll be 2 years from now. Kuminga and Moody might be seriously good as 3rd year players but that isn't guaramteed.Kuminga will probably be equal to Toscano by playoff time. Kuminga has better raw talent but JTA is ahead on knowing what he id doing.

I still feel like if you have A G-League then use the G-League. I think Kwame Brown would habe a better basketball player if he had been sent to G-League. Defenders being too small, too slow and too stupid in G-League helps the NBA draftee get through the phase where they need to quickly recognize the weakness or mistake and exploit it. Once they have mastered that on the G League level then bring them to the big league and let the use those new skills agaimst players who's mistakes and weaknesses are harder to see.

I don't want anything from Moody in this year's playoffs and I am ambivalent about the choice between JTA and Kuminga. We should give Kuminga some playing time to see if he can pick up the defensive rotations quickly. If Kuminga can't get the defensive rotations in time for the playoffs, no big deal, we will use JTA as the back up that helps us compte for the championship and Kuminga can take over JTA's job next year.

But what does Chiozza do that Payton can't do. Chiozza can pass a little better but we don't really need his passing.

Chiozza is a 2 way player. What are the rules about replacing a 2 Way player? I would rather replace Chiozza with a 280 pound 7 foot to Stiff that trips over his own feet but will give me 6 hard fouls and 2 rebounds and a blolck in 5 minutes of play.

[SinceGatlingWasARookie]

WTF is Chiozza doing on the Warriors....let alone the league??? All he does is dribble to a spot, get wide open, and pass it. Are the Warriors saying they can't do better for a ball distributor than this undersized won't shoot defensively liability?

Wannamaker last year, Avery Bradley, and Chiozza and Payton this year shows a concenrn to find a point guard or tweener guard.

With Draymond, Iguodala, Poole, Lee, amd Wiggins I don't go into a panic about "what whill happen to our playmaking" every time Curry sits, and we have Payton who can at least push the ball up the court and defend point guards.

So even though I think both the hate of Chiozza, Lee and Toscano is getting rediculous as is the Idea that we are playing Choizza, Lee and Toscano over our sweet dream fantassy version of what Kuminga and Moody woll be 2 years from now. Kuminga and Moody might be seriously good as 3rd year players but that isn't guaramteed.Kuminga will probably be equal to Toscano by playoff time. Kuminga has better raw talent but JTA is ahead on knowing what he id doing.

I still feel like if you have A G-League then use the G-League. I think Kwame Brown would habe a better basketball player if he had been sent to G-League. Defenders being too small, too slow and too stupid in G-League helps the NBA draftee get through the phase where they need to quickly recognize the weakness or mistake and exploit it. Once they have mastered that on the G League level then bring them to the big league and let the use those new skills agaimst players who's mistakes and weaknesses are harder to see.

I don't want anything from Moody in this year's playoffs and I am ambivalent about the choice between JTA and Kuminga. We should give Kuminga some playing time to see if he can pick up the defensive rotations quickly. If Kuminga can't get the defensive rotations in time for the playoffs, no big deal, we will use JTA as the back up that helps us compte for the championship and Kuminga can take over JTA's job next year.

But what does Chiozza do that Payton can't do. Chiozza can pass a little better but we don't really need his passing.

Chiozza is a 2 way player. What are the rules about replacing a 2 Way player? I would rather replace Chiozza with a 280 pound 7 foot to Stiff that trips over his own feet but will give me 6 hard fouls and 2 rebounds and a blolck in 5 minutes of play.

[SinceGatlingWasARookie]

In February 2014 I sumbled apon a hate worse thagn Chioizza Hate and starterted a thread about it caaled " Speights Hate"

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At the current time I am too cheap to pay for cable which I would not want for anything but NBA anyway. Maybe put a Law and Order rerun on in the background while i I do something else. I am willing to pay $20 a moth for Warriors. $5 more a month for the rest of the NBA and Football. And $5 more a month for the rest of cable TV. I like to know what the mainstream media lies, I mean news is but I don't need to pay cable TV for that.

I will go to a bar or restuarant once and a while to see a game. Nobody ever misses in the internet game highlights; hard to see great defense whe nobody ever misses.

Unlike Chiozza who I have barely seen, I had actually seen Speights and I knew that the anti-speights barking of about 10 posters constantly trashing Speights was complete garbage. Speights was helping the Warriors to win games and 10 guys were acting like Speights was worse than useless. So now I don't trust the board opinion of Chiozza because I have barely seen him play and I have never seen do Chiozza do anything wrong and I know how the board piles on guys in their dog house and how board falls in love with Rookies that have not proven anything. The most extreme case of the board falling in love with a rookie was Anthony Randolph who did infact prove that he had NBA talent Anthony Randolph proved more than Kuminga has proved but AnthonynRandolph had flaws that were hard to understand.


With Speights, apparently Speights came to camp fat and stupdid and useless and played that way while I was not watching.
Then I started watching and Speights started playing well; but our warriors board "Speights Haters" we're on auto pilot with their hate and they failed to notice that Speights was playing well and was turning into that player that we now remember as part of "strength in numbers "

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1 » by SinceGatlingWasARookie » Wed Feb 26, 2014 9:06 pm

I was too busy to watch Basketball games in November and December.
I did see the Houston game December 13 and the Philadelphia game Feb 10.

This winter I seem to have seen all of Marreese Speights's best games.
I must have missed seeing all of Marreese Speights's worst games.

The Speights Hate on this board is looking irrational to me. Have you guys noticed that Speights has been playing OK this winter? Not only his he scoring well when I watch, but I like his blocked shots and his rebounding.

I was most worried about his shot selection and it has been mediocre but not horrible when I watch.
His fg% is rising

Is it just fun to trash Speights or do you guys really think Speights is worse than useless?
I am not seeing Speights as a guy I would cut.

http://www.basketball-reference.com/pla ... elog/2014/
http://www.basketball-reference.com/pla ... gma01.html

[ILOVEIT]

Harrison Barnes is an anchor...dead weight...for the Kings. Watching that one lay up where he absolutely had no feel for what he was doing. So glad Warriors didn't re-sign him back in the day.

[Quazza]

Harrison Barnes is an anchor...dead weight...for the Kings. Watching that one lay up where he absolutely had no feel for what he was doing. So glad Warriors didn't re-sign him back in the day.

He started the season the incredibly.

Has regressed back to normal Harrison now

[GunnerWRX]

In February 2014 I sumbled apon a hate worse thagn Chioizza Hate and starterted a thread about it caaled " Speights Hate"

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At the current time I am too cheap to pay for cable which I would not want for anything but NBA anyway. Maybe put a Law and Order rerun on in the background while i I do something else. I am willing to pay $20 a moth for Warriors. $5 more a month for the rest of the NBA and Football. And $5 more a month for the rest of cable TV. I like to know what the mainstream media lies, I mean news is but I don't need to pay cable TV for that.

I will go to a bar or restuarant once and a while to see a game. Nobody ever misses in the internet game highlights; hard to see great defense whe nobody ever misses.

Unlike Chiozza who I have barely seen, I had actually seen Speights and I knew that the anti-speights loud noise that about 10 posters were continioisly harping Speights was complete garbage. Speights was helping the Warriors to win games and 10 guys were acting like Speights was worse than useless. So now I don't trust the board opinion of Chiozza because I have barely seen him play and I have never seen do Chiozza do anything wrong and I know how the board piles on guys in their dog house and how board falls in love with Rookies that have not proven anything. The most extreme case of the board falling in love with a rookie was Anthony Randolph who did infact prove that he had NBA talent Anthony Randolph proved more than Kuminga has proved but AnthonynRandolph had flaws that were hard to understand.


With Speights, apparently Speights came to camp fat and stupdid and useless and played that way while I was not watching.
Then I started watching and Speights started playing well; but our warriors board "Speights Haters" we're on auto pilot with their hate and they failed to notice that Speights was playing well and was turning into that player that we now remember as part of "strength in numbers "

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1 » by SinceGatlingWasARookie » Wed Feb 26, 2014 9:06 pm

I was too busy to watch Basketball games in November and December.
I did see the Houston game December 13 and the Philadelphia game Feb 10.

This winter I seem to have seen all of Marreese Speights's best games.
I must have missed seeing all of Marreese Speights's worst games.

The Speights Hate on this board is looking irrational to me. Have you guys noticed that Speights has been playing OK this winter? Not only his he scoring well when I watch, but I like his blocked shots and his rebounding.

I was most worried about his shot selection and it has been mediocre but not horrible when I watch.
His fg% is rising

Is it just fun to trash Speights or do you guys really think Speights is worse than useless?
I am not seeing Speights as a guy I would cut.

http://www.basketball-reference.com/pla ... elog/2014/
http://www.basketball-reference.com/pla ... gma01.html

Interesting you brought up Speights. I remember the arguments from both camps back then.

He was a scorer and his ts% efficiency was .506 in 15-16, and folks loved his scoring.

Love (hate) is blind.

[SinceGatlingWasARookie]

In February 2014 I sumbled apon a hate worse thagn Chioizza Hate and starterted a thread about it caaled " Speights Hate"

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1 » by SinceGatlingWasARookie » Wed Feb 26, 2014 9:06 pm

Interesting you brought up Speights. I remember the arguments from both camps back then.

He was a scorer and his ts% efficiency was .506 in 15-16, and folks loved his scoring.


Love (hate) is blind.

In the first 3 moths of 2013-14 Speights shot TS 45% which is too low to have the green light. After the first 3 months he hit TS 55% with half of his shots being deep 2s and more than his share of shot clock running out bail out shots. That was better than league TS% and on more difficult than average shooting. But some guys could not let go of what they saw early in the season when Speights changed. It is like the General board not letting go of their Idea of Wiggins is when Wiggins has changed.

Ts 50.6% is a little below league average. The only reason I like Speights shooting TS 50% is that he is a big shooting a lot of deep 2s. (After Speights left the Warriors he extend to 3 point range) Deep 2s are the worst shot in basketball because they are not much easier than 3s for mosts guys so why not shoot the 3? 50% from 3 would be great. 3s and deep 2s create spacing that creates layups for cutters. Also Speights is a big. In 2016 Speights was successfully drawing a lot of charges on defense. Speights weighed a lot and was hard to push arround. Speights is definitely a big and hitting deep 2s at somethingblike 49% makes him a stretch big space creator. A good thing to have coming off your bench,

On Speights trait that was a double edged sword was his tendency to catch and shoot whatever was passed to him regardless of the situation. That means he can't really participate in the Warriors passing game. But it does make Speights a good bail out guy with few seconds on the shot clock because Speights is used to shooting against whatever defense he finds when the ball is passed to him and he often beat good defenses. But the criticism of his shot selection is valid. He can't distinguish between a easy shot and a difficult shot, he is just looking for the best flight path for the ball arround the hands. So it is the responsibility of Speights' teamates to not pass Speights the ball when he will have a bad shot because he may shoot that bad shot.

But what if the warriors style is 5 passes in 8 seconds with the 3rd or 4th pass passing to the right guy in a what is essentially a half court 3 on 2. Speights can't be one of those passers. Half of the players in the NBA can't bevone of those passers. Somebody is passing the ball to you and you are supposed to spot 3 guys gaurded by 2 guys and then figure out which of the 3 guys is in position to covert the 3 on 2 into a 1 on nobody. Good luck with that.

What Speights could do was find the 1 on nobody. He could not always find a 1 on nobody 3 point shooter but he did find the1 on nobody guys cutting to the basket. So with 5 quick passes with th 4th pass being to the guy in the 3 on 2 that will be able to find the one on nobody Speghts will be Okcatching the 4th pass and throwing the final pass but Speights can't be the guy throwing the 3rd pass, the hockey assist.

Speghts probabable came to the Warriors as an average screen setter and left the Warriors as a significantly better than average screen setter. So he can do useful things while a passing game happens in which he does not touch the ball.

[Impuniti]

Chiozza issue is a Kerr issue, just like Wattaburger. He keeps overplaying bad players, that's not on the players. It's on the coach making awful decisions.

[FNQ]

Chiozza issue is a Kerr issue, just like Wattaburger. He keeps overplaying bad players, that's not on the players. It's on the coach making awful decisions.

I equally blame Myers… Kerr can’t play guys who aren’t on the roster. Cheezus has no tangible upside and he doesn’t bring much to the table now, yet he’s the best we can do? Unless this was done to guarantee Atkinson’s employment, I don’t get it

Chiozza has a place in pro ball, but on this team? I don’t see how it’s supposed to work

[SinceGatlingWasARookie]

Are teams allowed to replace two way players? Don't one of you know the answer? Do I have to google this myself?


Payton can defend point guards. The team passes well enough to not really need an offensivie point guard. Payton. Cannpush the ball up the court even if his court vion isn't as good as Chiozza's.

I don't think we need a 3Rd point guard as much as we need either a shot blocker or a space eater. Maybe we can find some 7 foot tall 280 pound guy Who can be both a space eater that can't be boxed out because he is to big and strong, and a shotb blocker because he so tall. But I wan't aggression because I fear that Wiseman lacks aggression. I just want 6 hard fouls , maybe flagrant because I come from a hockey background and haven't quite adjusted to the idea that goons are not needed in the NBA. I just wantba mean giant who can push Ayton and Embiid arrount. The guy is allowed to trip,over his own fee and allowed to shoot 20% from the free throw line. Aren't there any big stiffs in the G-league?

The problem with the big stiff giants is that the giants are usually gentle. I want mean.

I want to throw Ayton out of his rhythm by making Ayton face a man that is stronger and slower than Ayton. Ayton just assumes he has the strength advantage. Lets let Ayton faceva guy where Ayton is disadvantantaged a strenthg but has an advantagevat speed. Ayton is to used to that. Some guys can't change gears from using strength using speed.

Somlets find the opposite type of g-League player from Chiozza. Instead of a mini poor man's Curry AKA Chiozza or Nico lets find a bigger taller poor man's Stevie Adams.


But I don't want to chamge the playoff roster. I just want to change a two Way player. Is changingng two way players legal?

[FNQ]

typically if you ask a question in a post you should give people the opportunity to answer before getting frustrated in the next sentence with the lack of response

oh so you're ignoring what i said?

the silent treatment eh? real mature

[SinceGatlingWasARookie]

typically if you ask a question in a post you should give people the opportunity to answer before getting frustrated in the next sentence with the lack of response

oh so you're ignoring what i said?

the silent treatment eh? real mature

You talking to me? Sorry if you answerred my question and I missed the answer.
You are mentally filed in my good posters list. I would not be giving you the silent treatment on purpose.

But maybe you are not talking to me. But I fit the description of againg a question and getting frustrated with thee lack of resposnse before giving people a chance. It is my second time asking the question. My general opinion is that I am the weeak one on salary cap and roster rules and that half thevpeople on our board know the rules that I don't know. But Rules for two way players might be more obscure knowledge.


I agree with you FNQ that Chiozza does not make much sense as a Warrior. Before Payton proved himself having Chiozza made more sense butbnow I trust Payton.

Who will have a better career, Chiozza or Nico? Do we need and undersisized poor man's Curry?

[SinceGatlingWasARookie]

Chiozza highlights from two years ago

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[FNQ]

typically if you ask a question in a post you should give people the opportunity to answer before getting frustrated in the next sentence with the lack of response

oh so you're ignoring what i said?

the silent treatment eh? real mature

You talking to me? Sorry if you answerred my question and I missed the answer.
You are mentally filed in my good posters list. I would not be giving you the silent treatment on purpose.

But maybe you are not talking to me. But I fit the description of againg a question and getting frustrated with thee lack of resposnse before giving people a chance. It is my second time asking the question. My general opinion is that I am the weeak one on salary cap and roster rules and that half thevpeople on our board know the rules that I don't know. But Rules for two way players might be more obscure knowledge.


I agree with you FNQ that Chiozza does not make much sense as a Warrior. Before Payton proved himself having Chiozza made more sense butbnow I trust Payton.

Who will have a better career, Chiozza or Nico? Do we need and undersisized poor man's Curry?

lol im just razzing you for how the prior post read

I agree with you, I dont think Chiozza serves any purpose, and whatever we had planned for him.. it surely wasn't this. Since he's on a 2-way, the only way we could replace him is by signing someone else to a 2-way, which means less than 4 years of time served in the NBA. A guy I really liked (Kyhri Thomas) could be signed a 2-way, provided he gets out of Spain. But either way, I'd rather take a shot on an unknown developmental player over Chiozza at this point.

All that said, Chiozza's going nowhere with this COVID nonsense getting worse. Having players who know your system all of a sudden becomes insanely valuable, and warts and all... Chiozza has more familiarity in our system than all the FAs out there. Except maybe Chriss, but he was already snapped up

[watch1958]

With Lee out, it’s time to unleash CurryChiozza48