Offseason Plan

[Frichuela]

On a different note, I listened to a live Q&A session with Josh Robbins at the Athletic and he sounded convinced Ted&Tommy are signing Beal for the super max this off season...

This would handicap the team going forward with a bloated payroll and a top 6-7th ceiling in the Eastern conference...and that is if all the starts align and Porzingis has a miraculously healthy season...

[dckingsfan]

Beal is of course the elephant in the room.

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Beal           $37,262,300
Porziņģis      $33,833,400
KCP            $14,004,703
Kuzma          $13,000,000
Hachimura       $6,263,188
Avdija          $4,916,160
Kispert         $3,552,960
Gafford         $1,930,681
Carey           $1,782,621
Todd            $1,563,518
Total         $118,109,531

I am guessing that Todd & Carey will not be useful next season. That leaves you with (not in ranked order):

PG:
SG: Beal/Kispert/KCP
SF: KCP/Kispert/Avidja/Hachimura
PF: Kuzma/Porzingis/Avidja/Hachimura
C: Porzingis/Gafford

The second elephant in the room is at PG. The list of UFA at point guard is shall we say, underwhelming:
https://www.spotrac.com/nba/free-agents/ufa/point-guard/

That means that PG is coming from the draft or in a trade (or both) (as many have pointed out). I think that our draft position and being able to draft TyTy. I hope that we also purchase a 2nd round pick to that end. I would also think a trade with a team like Orlando that is short on forwards and long on PGs would be a possibility.

If Beal opts in - then maybe it is time to move him full-time to PG?

Anyway, my 1/2 cent on what Tommy must be thinking right now?

Delon Wright... atleast you now he can play defense and hit some 3s.

We got the MLE and biannual exception... plus a trade exception from Holiday trade to PHX. We'll be about $25M under the luxury tax

Man, I don't know how I missed Delon Wright - I wanted us to trade for him with Sac last year. He would be terrific.

[FAH1223]

On a different note, I listened to a live Q&A session with Josh Robbins at the Athletic and he sounded convinced Ted&Tommy are signing Beal for the super max this off season...

This would handicap the team going forward with a bloated payroll and a top 6-7th ceiling in the Eastern conference...and that is if all the starts align and Porzingis has a miraculously healthy season...

If Tommy learns how to draft it won’t be handicapping.

[pcbothwel]

On a different note, I listened to a live Q&A session with Josh Robbins at the Athletic and he sounded convinced Ted&Tommy are signing Beal for the super max this off season...

This would handicap the team going forward with a bloated payroll and a top 6-7th ceiling in the Eastern conference...and that is if all the starts align and Porzingis has a miraculously healthy season...

If Tommy learns how to draft it won’t be handicapping.

This. Everyone seems to think there is some tangible difference between the two that effects us going forward. There isnt.

The supermax allows for the 5th year at ~55M, but there is no difference in the first 4 years and the 1st year salary (~41.5M) is no different than what any other team will offer (But other teams are limited to 5% raises).

Not a fan of a Beal supermax, but it may never end up being our problem if he gets traded in 2-3 years.

[FAH1223]

On a different note, I listened to a live Q&A session with Josh Robbins at the Athletic and he sounded convinced Ted&Tommy are signing Beal for the super max this off season...

This would handicap the team going forward with a bloated payroll and a top 6-7th ceiling in the Eastern conference...and that is if all the starts align and Porzingis has a miraculously healthy season...

If Tommy learns how to draft it won’t be handicapping.

This. Everyone seems to think there is some tangible difference between the two that effects us going forward. There isnt.

The supermax allows for the 5th year at ~55M, but there is no difference in the first 4 years and the 1st year salary (~41.5M) is no different than what any other team will offer (But other teams are limited to 5% raises).

Not a fan of a Beal supermax, but it may never end up being our problem if he gets traded in 2-3 years.

Miami is going to be paying Butler $50M when he’s 36.

But they find guys in the draft and undrafted!

[9 and 20]

I'm at the acceptance stage. Watching Harrell's Greenberg and Bederman commercials on repeat got me through the depression part of it. But yeah, maybe we can trade him to a team like the Kings. The trade will be called 'the Revenge of Mitch Richmond.'

[Ruzious]

I'm at the acceptance stage. Watching Harrell's Greenberg and Bederman commercials on repeat got me through the depression part of it. But yeah, maybe we can trade him to a team like the Kings. The trade will be called 'the Revenge of Mitch Richmond.'

Lol, Bedderman looks like he picked the day Trez had zero energy for that commercial. I also feel like Beal's staying. Let's face it, at this point, even if we trade him, we're not going to get anywhere near what we likely could have gotten last year, and they'd take a huge pr hit. They might as well get the extension signed, so we know all future plans will be made with the intension of keeping Beal at the super-max.

[NatP4]

Trade Kuzma to the Spurs for the 18th or 19th pick. Take Dyson Daniels. Pick Keegan Murray with our pick(gotta tank better). Use the full MLE on Jalen Brunson(wishful thinking).

Brunson Daniels Ayayi
Beal Kispert
Avdija KCP
Hachimura Murray
Porzingis Gafford

I actually believe that’s a championship caliber roster, and it’s not all that unrealistic.

[dckingsfan]

Trade Kuzma to the Spurs for the 18th or 19th pick. Take Dyson Daniels. Pick Keegan Murray with our pick(gotta tank better). Use the full MLE on Jalen Brunson(wishful thinking).

Brunson Daniels Ayayi
Beal Kispert
Avdija KCP
Hachimura Murray
Porzingis Gafford

I actually believe that’s a championship caliber roster, and it’s not all that unrealistic.

Two things (and really just insight into your thinking). The Spurs don't usually make those types of trades - why do you think they would be interested giving up a pick in this case? I guess you point out that the Mavs have every intention of matching for Jalen Brunson, any reason to think they might not?

[Ruzious]

Brunson would be a nice target, but I think he's going to get well over the MLE. I'm just hoping we can get Tyus Jones for the MLE, but even that's not looking likely at the moment.

[NatP4]

Is Brunson a RFA or UFA?

[NatP4]

Trade Kuzma to the Spurs for the 18th or 19th pick. Take Dyson Daniels. Pick Keegan Murray with our pick(gotta tank better). Use the full MLE on Jalen Brunson(wishful thinking).

Brunson Daniels Ayayi
Beal Kispert
Avdija KCP
Hachimura Murray
Porzingis Gafford

I actually believe that’s a championship caliber roster, and it’s not all that unrealistic.

Two things (and really just insight into your thinking). The Spurs don't usually make those types of trades - why do you think they would be interested giving up a pick in this case? I guess you point out that the Mavs have every intention of matching for Jalen Brunson, any reason to think they might not?

Yeah I think all 3 of those things are somewhat unlikely.

The Spurs are far more likely to make that move for Rui, but I like what I’ve seen from Rui this year. I probably wouldn’t do that.

[Ruzious]

Is Brunson a RFA or UFA?

UFA

[nate33]

Is Brunson a RFA or UFA?

UFA

Dallas has Bird Rights though. They can pay him whatever he wants.

[Halcyon]

Brunson is going to get a lot of money

[Frichuela]

Brunson is going to get a lot of money

Agreed. My guess is a minimum of $20mn/year, which we can not pay...as we are limited to the MLE for free agents.

[Frichuela]

Brunson is going to get a lot of money

Agreed. My guess is a minimum of $20mn/year, which we can not pay...as we are limited to the MLE for free agents.

I mean unless it would be theoretically possible to sign and trade Beal to Dallas for say Brunson (at $18-20mn/year)+Hardaway Jr (3-year left on a declining contract) + DAL 2025 1st (unprotected) + DAL 2027 1st (lottery protected)...Would that be better than keeping Beal? Possibly yes..

[Ruzious]

Is Brunson a RFA or UFA?

UFA

Dallas has Bird Rights though. They can pay him whatever he wants.

And either way, we won't be able to afford him. I'd be surprised if he doesn't get over 15 mil a year. Edit - I see several people already beat me to it.

[pcbothwel]

I wonder if Pop really goes off into the sunset that they wont do a deeper rebuild. I'd offer 10 + filler for Murray if they wanted to make an effort to get into the top 4.

[NatP4]

Brunson is going to get a lot of money

Agreed. My guess is a minimum of $20mn/year, which we can not pay...as we are limited to the MLE for free agents.

I mean unless it would be theoretically possible to sign and trade Beal to Dallas for say Brunson (at $18-20mn/year)+Hardaway Jr (3-year left on a declining contract) + DAL 2025 1st (unprotected) + DAL 2027 1st (lottery protected)...Would that be better than keeping Beal? Possibly yes..

Sign and trade KCP&Kuzma. Rip them off again. Sign him to the same deal as Dinwiddie.

I think Brunson is worth 18-20 mill per, I just like to dream. There’s always a couple FAs that go for wayyyyy less than I expected.