Is Trae a top 5 player on offense

[Ballerhogger]

8 pts, 6 turnovers, 8% shooting

All time awful performance.

Trae fans, you can't have threads and posts about 1 great play in game, and then go silent on this all-time historically bad playoff performance... WHERE Y'ALL AT?!

For real. They about to get swept no capella for a week or more .

They gonna adjust- today Miami came out fast and hard -

Bam switching - Jimmy switching - it was hard to get a good or even a bad shot! Trae took 12 shots! They were allll over him

It will be like that rest of the series. Duncan Robison went off I doubt he does that again.. I mean who’s saw that coming ?

[Cubbies2120]

Lol uh dude I’m built for this - but coffee and 5 hour energy

There’s not enough B12 in the world to get your take unscathed here my man ; )

Animal Pak coming on prime!

I just ordered Animal Cuts and upped the cardio - just booked a month long mini Eurotrip to Montenegro/Croatia/Spain/Serbia, time to cut. It's weird I hadn't seen the words Animal Pak/Cuts in a couple years, and today I bought some and you mention it. What a coincidence

[CobraCommander]

For real. They about to get swept no capella for a week or more .

They gonna adjust- today Miami came out fast and hard -

Bam switching - Jimmy switching - it was hard to get a good or even a bad shot! Trae took 12 shots! They were allll over him

It will be like that rest of the series. Duncan Robison went off I doubt he does that again.. I mean who’s saw that coming ?

This is what Trae and the Hawks need if they gonna ever be a champion- this is what playoff ball in round one look like if you fail to get a top seed. Miami gets to rest and you play for your life just to get in… so yea this is going make the reg season mean more going forward

[CobraCommander]

There’s not enough B12 in the world to get your take unscathed here my man ; )

Animal Pak coming on prime!

I just ordered Animal Cuts and upped the cardio - just booked a month long mini Eurotrip to Montenegro/Croatia/Spain/Serbia, time to cut. It's weird I hadn't seen the words Animal Pak/Cuts in a couple years, and today I bought some and you mention it. What a coincidence

Hour of Cardio a day till that trip… yeah buddy!

[tsherkin]

so yea this is going make the reg season mean more going forward

A strong point, that. Some view the play-in as an opportunity to rest everyone, but having an elimination game or two ahead of the start of the playoffs while your opponents rest their knees isn't doing any team any favors when they're the little dog.

[mattg]

8 pts, 6 turnovers, 8% shooting

All time awful performance.

Trae fans, you can't have threads and posts about 1 great play in game, and then go silent on this all-time historically bad playoff performance... WHERE Y'ALL AT?!

For real. They about to get swept no capella for a week or more .

They gonna adjust- today Miami came out fast and hard -

Bam switching - Jimmy switching - it was hard to get a good or even a bad shot! Trae took 12 shots! They were allll over him

i mean that's sorta just what you get with small PGs in the playoffs no matter how skilled they are unless there is a bigger shot creating wing to relieve that pressure. The best teams are gonna throw long defenders on him that can stay in front and Trae is gonna basically be forced into taking 30 ft pullups. Maybe he hits for 2 games and they win but in all likelihood the Hawks offense will fizzle out because of lack of consistent manipulating of the defense. They are gonna force Trae into a ton of tough pull ups and the result will be the classic clogged toilet offense where the ball gets passed around the 3pt line with no penetration and then someone pulls up for 3. It's exactly what happened with Atlanta and Milwaukee last year, Hawks shot quality just isn't going to be consistently good enough vs top teams. They desperately need a consolidation trade.

[rapstarter]

For real. They about to get swept no capella for a week or more .

They gonna adjust- today Miami came out fast and hard -

Bam switching - Jimmy switching - it was hard to get a good or even a bad shot! Trae took 12 shots! They were allll over him

i mean that's sorta just what you get with small PGs in the playoffs no matter how skilled they are unless there is a bigger shot creating wing to relieve that pressure. The best teams are gonna throw long defenders on him that can stay in front and Trae is gonna basically be forced into taking 30 ft pullups. Maybe he hits for 2 games and they win but in all likelihood the Hawks offense will fizzle out because of lack of consistent manipulating of the defense. They are gonna force Trae into a ton of tough pull ups and the result will be the classic clogged toilet offense where the ball gets passed around the 3pt line with no penetration and then someone pulls up for 3. It's exactly what happened with Atlanta and Milwaukee last year, Hawks shot quality just isn't going to be consistently good enough vs top teams. They desperately need a consolidation trade.

This man knows what he's talking about. We are feeling it too with Fred.

[Mak]

They gonna adjust- today Miami came out fast and hard -

Bam switching - Jimmy switching - it was hard to get a good or even a bad shot! Trae took 12 shots! They were allll over him

i mean that's sorta just what you get with small PGs in the playoffs no matter how skilled they are unless there is a bigger shot creating wing to relieve that pressure. The best teams are gonna throw long defenders on him that can stay in front and Trae is gonna basically be forced into taking 30 ft pullups. Maybe he hits for 2 games and they win but in all likelihood the Hawks offense will fizzle out because of lack of consistent manipulating of the defense. They are gonna force Trae into a ton of tough pull ups and the result will be the classic clogged toilet offense where the ball gets passed around the 3pt line with no penetration and then someone pulls up for 3. It's exactly what happened with Atlanta and Milwaukee last year, Hawks shot quality just isn't going to be consistently good enough vs top teams. They desperately need a consolidation trade.

This man knows what he's talking about. We are feeling it too with Fred.

What exactly are you feeling? Fred is not #1 option on the Raptors , next year he will probably be 4th option and he can also defend. Trae is one the worst defenders we have ever seen , and then when he cant score it is pretty bad.

[rapstarter]

i mean that's sorta just what you get with small PGs in the playoffs no matter how skilled they are unless there is a bigger shot creating wing to relieve that pressure. The best teams are gonna throw long defenders on him that can stay in front and Trae is gonna basically be forced into taking 30 ft pullups. Maybe he hits for 2 games and they win but in all likelihood the Hawks offense will fizzle out because of lack of consistent manipulating of the defense. They are gonna force Trae into a ton of tough pull ups and the result will be the classic clogged toilet offense where the ball gets passed around the 3pt line with no penetration and then someone pulls up for 3. It's exactly what happened with Atlanta and Milwaukee last year, Hawks shot quality just isn't going to be consistently good enough vs top teams. They desperately need a consolidation trade.

This man knows what he's talking about. We are feeling it too with Fred.

What exactly are you feeling? Fred is not #1 option on the Raptors , next year he will probably be 4th option and he can also defend. Trae is one the worst defenders we have ever seen , and then when he cant score it is pretty bad.

The small PG problem. Obviously Fred is not as important to our team as Trae is (thankfully and hopefully going forward).

[Exp0sed]

I would venture to say, really going out a limb here lmfao that no top 5 offensive talent has ever played a series like this

This one aged well almost instantly

[rate_]

I would venture to say, really going out a limb here lmfao that no top 5 offensive talent has ever played a series like this

This one aged well almost instantly

You guys are acting like he's playing against an average defensive team.

Is KD a TOP 5 player on offense? His series stats are just as bad.

[Murray_17]

I think the problem is his entire offense depends on him being able to be a ball handler on pick and roll and getting by his men on screens.

His 3 point shot is average and teams are gonna be happy with him taking those instead of driving to the rim. Which also means, you need to stay in front of him and not close out on his 3 attempts

Basically he's always gonna have troubles against super switchable defenses like the Heat or the Celtics.

He's still an amazing offensive weapon tho but those limitations means he's not reaching the top 5 guys on offense nor has the gravity of guys like Curry, Embiid, Jokic or KD

[Jamaaliver]

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[Ice Man]

Is KD a TOP 5 player on offense? His series stats are just as bad.

Well no, not quite.

PPG -

KD 21.5
Trae 16.5

TS % -

KD 53%
Trae 49%

Assist to TO ratio -

KD 1.25
Trae - 1.0

Plus KD defended and rebounded better.

But yeah, KD did suck, I must agree with you on that.

To your question I would say that even though KD's regular season stats were great, he is no longer a Top 5 offensive player. He never got shut down like that in a playoff series when in his prime. He's heading downhill now.

[lambchop]

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That's a truly amazing stat that also clearly shows the difference between the regular season and playoffs. The game changes so much that even an elite offensive talent like Trae isn't good enough to warrant that usage, those minutes or even being a starter.

[CobraCommander]

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J/k....bad series...don’t even understand what happened last night without Butler or Lowry...does Trae needs more than 12 shots in a life or death game...? It felt like the hawks didn’t think they could win the series regardless of last night.

Hawks may have a real good player in Hunter

[perempe20]

Add a poll next time.

[Lunartic]

This might be the absolute worst performance by a "star" in the history of the NBA and WNBA

He played zero defense and hit almost zero shots

[Impuniti]

yes in my book

It's good to know OP doesn't know how to read.

[timO]

I think the problem is his entire offense depends on him being able to be a ball handler on pick and roll and getting by his men on screens.

His 3 point shot is average and teams are gonna be happy with him taking those instead of driving to the rim. Which also means, you need to stay in front of him and not close out on his 3 attempts

Basically he's always gonna have troubles against super switchable defenses like the Heat or the Celtics.

He's still an amazing offensive weapon tho but those limitations means he's not reaching the top 5 guys on offense nor has the gravity of guys like Curry, Embiid, Jokic or KD

He shoot 38% on RS, and has a range similar to Lillard or Curry,

Butler the last year played awful too and this year have 30-8-5 54%