Doc Rivers has been fired

[Jay555]

Yeah, i also see Lavine as the top candidate for now. 1.09ppp on ISO. 25-ish ppg on the %s that suits this team. Alpha scorer mentality.

2 of Biid, Lavine and Harden can beat good teams in 7 game series.

You like Caruso? Hopefully we can get Patrick Williams back? If we get Caruso, I’d like to trade him for some 4 with decent defense a realible shooting.

Zach isn't the alpha on a team with DeMar DeRozan as it's best player, so I don't think he'd be that here.

I'd rather just roll with Maxey and bank on further development and increased assertiveness. They beg that guy to shoot more, they'd be doing the opposite with Zach.

He’ll never be alpha here. But he’s a guy who can go Jason Tatum G7 or Harden G1 and G4 for us that is very valuable in today’s NBA.

Im OK with Maxey, prior to Celts series. Where I thought Biid and Harden can be top tier alphas. I was wrong.

Im not a big fan of Lavine either but you dont really have any choice. The only options I can see now is PG and Kawhi in Clippers, Lavine in Chicago and Cam Thomas in BKN. You need someone who can shoot 3s, average 25ppg-ish on 1.00-ish ppp on ISO.

If we opt to build around Harden and Embiid, we need someone who can carry Harden and Embiid on offense where they can focus on facilitating and defense if both guys decide to choke.

Lol Cam Thomas? Not sure if serious.

[rocketsfan100]

It seems the Rockets are positive harden Is coming do I don’t think he is staying in Philly according to Tim McMahon. I want to see maxey be properly utilised by Nick nurse or whomever the next coach is. I hope it will be Sam Cassell to be honest. I think Sam will be an amazing leader

[Zumramania]

Give me Nick Nurse please

https://www.sportsbettingdime.com/news/nba/76ers-next-head-coach-odds-nick-nurse-favored-sam-cassell-monty-williams/

Yeah, I think that the combination of offensive talent (Embiid, Harden, Maxey) and the defensive talent (Embiid, Reed, Melton, Springer, McDaniels) that we have could be great material to work with for a guy like Nurse. Trade Harris and get something that can shoot and defend a bit and maybe even this is enough.

[76ciology]

Zach isn't the alpha on a team with DeMar DeRozan as it's best player, so I don't think he'd be that here.

I'd rather just roll with Maxey and bank on further development and increased assertiveness. They beg that guy to shoot more, they'd be doing the opposite with Zach.

He’ll never be alpha here. But he’s a guy who can go Jason Tatum G7 or Harden G1 and G4 for us that is very valuable in today’s NBA.

Im OK with Maxey, prior to Celts series. Where I thought Biid and Harden can be top tier alphas. I was wrong.

Im not a big fan of Lavine either but you dont really have any choice. The only options I can see now is PG and Kawhi in Clippers, Lavine in Chicago and Cam Thomas in BKN. You need someone who can shoot 3s, average 25ppg-ish on 1.00-ish ppp on ISO.

If we opt to build around Harden and Embiid, we need someone who can carry Harden and Embiid on offense where they can focus on facilitating and defense if both guys decide to choke.

Lol Cam Thomas? Not sure if serious.

Im serious.

Can shoot 3
Can average 25ppg-ish
Can average 1.00-ish on ISO

But definitely he’s not that good right now compared to the names i mentioned along with him.

[mjkvol]

Tough decision. I think you have to pull back from the Embiid centric offense because it is too predictable in the post season. There has to be a balance. Only use post ups to close games when ahead. I could see Maxey getting unlocked by a better coach than Doc. He often would be lost and indecisive, that’s a reflection of coaching. I would be worried though about Dantoni. He relies on using centers to provide drive spacing particularly by lob threats (Capela) or quick shooting (Tucker at the 5 spot). He never had someone like Embiid. Reed would improve but Embiid would have to change his approach when he gets the ball and keep it moving. Iam not sure he would buy in to that high paced system.

One thing is certain - whoever the new coach is has to be able to get through to Embiid that he needs to change some things if he is ever to win a championship. Point at players like Dirk and Duncan, not necessarily at the way they played specifically, but the sacrifices they made in their games for the good of the overall team.

It's going to be threading a needle in a lot of ways for a coach to come into a situation with the kind of established pecking order we have here and make substantial changes without ruffling some feathers, but unless that happens to a degree it really doesn't matter what personnel changes are made here.

I'm not sure who that guy might be, but getting Embiid to buy in has to be Priority #1. And some early success would go a long way in stabilizing a situation that could become toxic quickly with a 5-15 start next season. But Embiid must embrace a DPOY mindset and work on quicker decision making and C&S if there is any hope of seeing a different and better product.

[Murray_17]

you keep sneaking Cam Thomas into these lists where he doesn't belong lol

It's hilarious.

Now all of a sudden we think Lavine is great too

[phiphan]

He's not wrong though. We need an unconscious gunner who can create his own shot in the half court.

[76ciology]

If we have assets we’d be going for guys like Ingram, Doncic or Giannis.

The fact is.. we have limited assets to play around here. So the undervalued ones are Lavine, Cam Thomas and probably Paul George with one missing ligament in his knee.

We need guys who have the cajones in G7 to fire away like a possessed Kobe.

[Murray_17]

He's not wrong though. We need an unconscious gunner who can create his own shot in the half court.

Lavine barely iso 12% of his possessions and his ppp would go down if you increase the volume. The guy is connoted for taking bad shots. At the rate things are going Maxey is already as good of a shooter as Lavine too

And lol Cam Thomas, someone i don't understand the obsession with.

If we have assets we’d be going for guys like Ingram, Doncic or Giannis.

The fact is.. we have limited assets to play around here. So the undervalued ones are Lavine, Cam Thomas and probably Paul George with one missing ligament in his knee.

We need guys who have the cajones in G7 to fire away like a possessed Kobe.

You are on quote in this forum saying Maxey is better than Lavine , trading Maxey to get Thomas is a fireable offense for any GM, the guy barely plays.

[76ciology]

He's not wrong though. We need an unconscious gunner who can create his own shot in the half court.

Lavine barely iso 12% of his possessions and his ppp would go down if you increase the volume. The guy is connoted for taking bad shots. At the rate things are going Maxey is already as good of a shooter as Lavine too

And lol Cam Thomas, someone i don't understand the obsession with.

If we have assets we’d be going for guys like Ingram, Doncic or Giannis.

The fact is.. we have limited assets to play around here. So the undervalued ones are Lavine, Cam Thomas and probably Paul George with one missing ligament in his knee.

We need guys who have the cajones in G7 to fire away like a possessed Kobe.

You are on quote in this forum saying Maxey is better than Lavine , trading Maxey to get Thomas is a fireable offense for any GM, the guy barely plays.

Yeah, but Lavine is a kind of player we need now because we have two 3rd options at best in the playoffs leading this team

[Iverson Armband]

I get 76ciology’s thinking

We’re limited here. Some of you need to stop acting like we’re too good for certain players, as if we’re not screwed with two lame ass playoff performers and have so much to offer other teams in a trade. Same people who thought Fox & Lavine weren’t good enough for Ben Simmons.

[Murray_17]

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Yeah, but Lavine is a kind of player we need now because we have two 3rd options at best in the playoffs leading this team

Let me understand the logic...

We have two 3rd options at best in this team, so we need Lavine who is worse than Maxey........So we need an even worst option yet.

That?

[Murray_17]

I get 76ciology’s thinking

We’re limited here. Some of you need to stop acting like we’re too good for certain players, as if we’re not screwed with two lame ass playoff performers and have so much to offer other teams in a trade. Same people who thought Fox & Lavine weren’t good enough for Ben Simmons.

We need to improve the team, not to make a trade that forces us to blow it up with even worse assets than what we would get for blowing up right now. Making a Lavine trade at this point with the guy having 4 years on his contract and sending our only asset remaining aside from Joel is Billy King stuff

As for Fox, i never said i was against that, i said i would prefer Haliburton

[phiphan]

I don't know what's hard to understand. Lavine has been one of the most efficient iso players in the last few years. Maxey is not an iso player. So even if Maxey is 'better' than Lavine, Lavine brings a different skillset that this team lacks.

You can quibble with the players he cited, but the overall point should stand--unless you think our half court offense has looked good the last few years in the playoffs.

[Murray_17]

I don't know what's hard to understand. Lavine has been one of the most efficient iso players in the last few years. Maxey is not an iso player. So even if Maxey is 'better' than Lavine, Lavine brings a different skillset that this team lacks.

Lavine only iso 3 possessions per game with 1.09 ppp, he would get under 1 easily if you make that 5 o 6 possessions. He plays witH DeRozan, is not like he lacks space to ISO.

For reference, Joel ISO double the number of possessions at similar efficiency, Harden too

[phiphan]

I don't know what's hard to understand. Lavine has been one of the most efficient iso players in the last few years. Maxey is not an iso player. So even if Maxey is 'better' than Lavine, Lavine brings a different skillset that this team lacks.

Lavine only iso 3 possessions per game with 1.09 ppp, he would get under 1 easily if you make that 5 o 6 possessions. He plays witH DeRozan, is not like he lacks space to ISO.

For reference, Joel ISO double the amount of possessions at similar efficiency

Joel scored .75 ppp on isos in the playoffs this year. Harden was at .79.

[Murray_17]

Joel scored .75 ppp on isos in the playoffs this year. Harden was at .79.

Yeah, that's my entire point, ISO scoring efficiency downgrades in the playoffs. Do you really expect Lavine to maintain his efficiency while requiring to ISO more?

[phiphan]

Joel scored .75 ppp on isos in the playoffs this year. Harden was at .79.

Yeah, that's my entire point, ISO scoring efficiency downgrades in the playoffs. Do you really expect Lavine to maintain his efficiency while requiring to ISO more?

Good to know you've finally made an identifiable point. For reference, Tatum and Brown both improved their efficiencies in the playoffs. Brown isos less frequently than Lavine in the regular season. I can't be bothered arguing about Lavine any more, it's beside the point. So what kind of player would you be targeting if you don't believe we need a half court creator?

[Murray_17]

Good to know you've finally made an identifiable point. For reference, Tatum and Brown both improved their efficiencies in the playoffs.

at identical volume dude, and the improvement is around 0.09 for Brown and 0.15 for Tatum at low sample with Tatum having a 50 pt game.

isos less frequently than Lavine in the regular season. I can't be bothered arguing about Lavine any more, it's beside the point.

2.6 vs 2.9....

So what kind of player would you be targeting if you don't believe we need a half court creator?

I have already said the team can only be improved on the margins. Doing stupid moves like Lavine only because of desperation is precisely what got us to this point.

If moves on the margins don't work just blow the thing up, attendance is not gonna keep up to the point of economically justifying the payroll anyways if the next season is another failure.

Then you can trade Joel and build around Maxey with the picks you keep and betting on guys like Reed and Springer to keep developing

[youngcrev]

Yeah, i also see Lavine as the top candidate for now. 1.09ppp on ISO. 25-ish ppg on the %s that suits this team. Alpha scorer mentality.

2 of Biid, Lavine and Harden can beat good teams in 7 game series.

You like Caruso? Hopefully we can get Patrick Williams back? If we get Caruso, I’d like to trade him for some 4 with decent defense a realible shooting.

Zach isn't the alpha on a team with DeMar DeRozan as it's best player, so I don't think he'd be that here.

I'd rather just roll with Maxey and bank on further development and increased assertiveness. They beg that guy to shoot more, they'd be doing the opposite with Zach.

He’ll never be alpha here. But he’s a guy who can go Jason Tatum G7 or Harden G1 and G4 for us that is very valuable in today’s NBA.

Im OK with Maxey, prior to Celts series. Where I thought Biid and Harden can be top tier alphas. I was wrong.

Im not a big fan of Lavine either but you dont really have any choice. The only options I can see now is PG and Kawhi in Clippers, Lavine in Chicago and Cam Thomas in BKN. You need someone who can shoot 3s, average 25ppg-ish on 1.00-ish ppp on ISO.

If we opt to build around Harden and Embiid, we need someone who can carry Harden and Embiid on offense where they can focus on facilitating and defense if both guys decide to choke.

Embiid and Harden are two very good, high volume isolation players. Ignoring the names you brought up for a variety of reasons, the answer isn't more of that, particularly from lower quality options. If there's a way to get a better player than Harden to pair with Jo, by all means. I just don't think the assets exist to achieve that.

Embiid and Harden are still going to be the focal point of this offense to some varying degree whether we like it or not. They need guys that can be effective playing off of them.

Maxey has shown the ability to be effective in that role as a guy that's an elite shooter that can also attack a defense when it's off balance. He's also a guy with a potential to take yet another leap forward as a player, with some clear room to grow as a playmaker.

To me the missing (in terms of realistic, gettable pieces) are wings that will let it fly from 3 and can hold their own on the other end. Guys that can drop 20+ if you choose not cover them. The Celtics were able to shut down the Embiid-Harden 2 man game by packing the paint. Well, make sure they can't do that.