ZoStrong wrote:I get it. If you lose, there's always excuses. But the fact is Jimmy never had the playoff success that he's had here in Miami. So it's silly to speculate how he'd do with no Embii or no Bam, just a decent center. This also really underappreciates how much Bam does for our defense. And Bam's only getting better offensively
Not an excuse but a reason and no I'm not underappreciating what Bam does for the defense, but a great scorer (which Butler can be) is worth more than a top tier defender. Jrue Holliday is considered on of the top defenders in the league and he couldn't do anything to slow up Butler last year, only after Butler got hurt did he come back down to earth. Back in 2019 Kawhi carried Toronto to a championship with his offense although he was an incredible defender too, nobody on Philly could stop him. I will always consider a top tier scorer worth more than a top tier defender since like I said, 1 offensive player can carry a team, 1 defensive player can't. I'll take a KD, LeBron, Luka, SGA, Butler, Embiid and possibly Michell over any of the top defenders in the league like Bam, Gobert or that fake DPOTY J.Jackson Jr. I think Spoelstra would get an incredible amount of any of those scorers.
Butler's teams have had issues since he didn't come into the league as a scorer. By the time he was a scorer Chicago was still hoping to get D.Rose back and with that a big chunk of their cap used up on someone who wasn't playing or played bad after coming back from missing multiple years from his injury. At one point Chicago had decided to build around Butler and was on a 2 year plan to create enough space to add 2 max guys which is why they overpaid D.Wade to keep fans coming to games during this time and also overpaid R.Rondo and after just 1 year into their 2 year plan Butler was mad that the coach (Hoiberg) was letting the younger players do whatever they wanted which there's a post out there the young guys dancing and playing around while Butler and the team on the court were fighting for the playoffs.
In Minnesota the owner was all about the younger players and wouldn't commit to maxing out Butler although he was maxing out Wiggins and Towns... Minnesota made the playoffs for the first time in 14 years even with Butler missing 6 weeks with a meniscus tear (they were 3rd in the West only behind the Curry Warriors and Harden Rockets when Butler went down).
In Philly they traded for Butler but the coach didn't seem to like Butler being outspoken and didn't really gameplan with him until the playoffs.
Miami's been the only franchise that has really committed to Butler and Miami has reaped the benefits for doing that. Butler's the reason I quit being a lifelong Bulls fan (I thought he had this much talent in him, but a team wasn't ever built with him in mind) and have followed him in the hopes someone would utilize him properly which Spoelstra has, and it's been highly successful.