How do we feel about Tatum being carried to a finals? UPDATE: TATUM BEING CARRIED TO GOLD TOO

[Godymas]

He might be getting carried to a ring

[Slax]

He might be getting carried to a ring

Tatum played well last night and absolutely wasn't getting carried. Celtics get him the ball, Mavs defenders cheat over toward him, he instantly swings the ball and the Celtics get an open shot or an easy mismatch. Tatum isn't the type of scorer who can consistently force up tough shots and hit them at high volume the way Luka can in that situation, but that doesn't mean he isn't affecting the offense in a positive way by absorbing the Mavs' best defenders and creating space. He had a few dumb turnovers but other than that he should just keep doing what he's doing unless the Mavs change up their defense.

[Aventador]

the jayson tatum of tobias harris'

[PierceFan4ever]

Did you just bumped 2 Tatum threads you created lmao. Does he really live rent free in your head like that? And no he’s not being carried. He literally was being doubled any time he stepped inside the 3 point line, all those wide open threes the Celtics were getting helped because Tatum was able to attract 2-3 players driving to the hoop. Not to mention he’s the best rebounder on the team, plays excellent defense, and is probably the second best passer on the team.

He just came off averaging 30,10,6 in the conference finals and was the first player since Lebron to lead his team in points, rebounds, assists, blocks, and steal in the semi finals. So no, he’s not being carried, you’re just obsessed trying to bump up topics to hate on a player because you’re too focused on scoring.

[bledredwine]

I've been calling Tatum a fake superstar for the better part of a decade now.

I always see this in certain players and for whatever reason, yet no one else on realgm does.

His PER for his entire playoff career -
16
14
21
24
18
23
21

He's a star, not a superstar. The top 5 talks always sound ridiculous to me.

BUT, Boston has an awesome, stacked team who plays both ends of the court.

If Tatum catches fire and balls out the rest of this series (doubt it), good for him, but it won't change my opinion.
Superstars are consistently great. Tatum never has been and doesn't have the tools to be.
Unlike his idol Kobe, he's not efficient with his movements- they don't always serve a purpose.
He lacks the brain to be consistently great.

[Sweet Serenity]

I've been calling Tatum a fake superstar for the better part of a decade now.

I always see this in certain players and for whatever reason, yet no one else on realgm does.

His PER for his entire playoff career -
16
14
21
24
18
23
21

He's a star, not a superstar. The top 5 talks always sound ridiculous to me.

BUT, Boston has an awesome, stacked team who plays both ends of the court.

If Tatum catches fire and balls out the rest of this series (doubt it), good for him, but it won't change my opinion.
Superstars are consistently great. Tatum never has been and doesn't have the tools to be.
Unlike his idol Kobe, he's not efficient with his movements- they don't always serve a purpose.
He lacks the brain to be consistently great.

How about you stop being lazy & actually watch the games so you can see how much he impacts it instead of box score watching ?

[Woodsanity]

Brown or porzingis have a very good chance at fmvp.

Tatum is a very good all star not superstar

[Woodsanity]

I've been calling Tatum a fake superstar for the better part of a decade now.

I always see this in certain players and for whatever reason, yet no one else on realgm does.

His PER for his entire playoff career -
16
14
21
24
18
23
21

He's a star, not a superstar. The top 5 talks always sound ridiculous to me.

BUT, Boston has an awesome, stacked team who plays both ends of the court.

If Tatum catches fire and balls out the rest of this series (doubt it), good for him, but it won't change my opinion.
Superstars are consistently great. Tatum never has been and doesn't have the tools to be.
Unlike his idol Kobe, he's not efficient with his movements- they don't always serve a purpose.
He lacks the brain to be consistently great.

How about you stop being lazy & actually watch the games so you can see how much he impacts it instead of box score watching ?

I watched the game and he wasnt even the 3rd best player on the court….

Porzingis had more impact in 20 minutes than tatum the whole game….

[Taget]

Teams game plan for Tatum. If that creates mismatches that allow other players to score more easily. Great.
If Tatum rather than being a volume shooter allows the hottest hand to score rather than getting his ego driven stats. Better.
If we win a championship. Perfect.

[bisme37]

Someone really needs to tell Eric Spoelstra, JB Bickerstaff, Rick Carlisle and Jason Kidd that Tatum sucks. What are they stupid? All playoffs long they've been guarding him like this while even internet posters can see Tatum is terrible and should not be guarded at all ...

[bigboi]

Brown or porzingis have a very good chance at fmvp.

Tatum is a very good all star not superstar

Yet, Mavs were doubling Tatum and had all their focus on Tatum all game not the other 2. Makes sense lmao. Tell me you don’t watch the games

[warriorschamps]

Someone really needs to tell Eric Spoelstra, JB Bickerstaff, Rick Carlisle and Jason Kidd that Tatum sucks. What are they stupid? All playoffs long they've been guarding him like this while even internet posters can see Tatum is terrible and should not be guarded at all ...

Lol. Some of this people really are dumb. I wonder what would of happened if Tatum was guarded one on one like the Celtics guarded Luka. My guess is he would of had more than 30 points. shrugs.

This is almost like the Cavs doubling and tripling teaming Steph and letting KD play one and one. But somehow KD was more impactful? lol

But again that's why the Celtics are so good. Most teams focus so much on Tatum it leave alot of other guys open. It probably would be smarter not to focus so heavily on Tatum and make some of those other guys create offense for themselves. But either way the Celtics are the better team and should win the series.

But the Celtics are known for blowing game 2 of series so this next game is huge.

[bigboi]

Someone really needs to tell Eric Spoelstra, JB Bickerstaff, Rick Carlisle and Jason Kidd that Tatum sucks. What are they stupid? All playoffs long they've been guarding him like this while even internet posters can see Tatum is terrible and should not be guarded at all ...

These dudes don’t watch the games. This has always been my problem with Realgm, people do a lot of box score watching rather than actual watching. Tatum was doubled constantly all game and was the main focus of the Mavs defense

[1st banana]

This reminds me of that one time that Andre iguodala carried Steph curry to a ring.

[1st banana]

Someone really needs to tell Eric Spoelstra, JB Bickerstaff, Rick Carlisle and Jason Kidd that Tatum sucks. What are they stupid? All playoffs long they've been guarding him like this while even internet posters can see Tatum is terrible and should not be guarded at all ...

Lol. Some of this people really are dumb. I wonder what would of happened if Tatum was guarded one on one like the Celtics guarded Luka. My guess is he would of had more than 30 points. shrugs.

This is almost like the Cavs doubling and tripling teaming Steph and letting KD play one and one. But somehow KD was more impactful? lol

But again that's why the Celtics are so good. Most teams focus so much on Tatum it leave alot of other guys open. It probably would be smarter not to focus so heavily on Tatum and make some of those other guys create offense for themselves. But either way the Celtics are the better team and should win the series.

But the Celtics are known for blowing game 2 of series so this next game is huge.

I mean if he takes 10 more shots like luka had he probably gets close to 30 if not 30.

He forced some shots on garbage time but he made some shots early and didn’t even take any because not many came to him in the flow of the game.

He drove and started the passing chain many times, moved without the ball and took advantage of his opps.

Look for the mavs to stay with shooters more and let Tatum cook 1v1 and the new narrative will be they barely guarded Jayson en route to his 40.

[Deivork]

Toxic premise. Social obsession with individualism and status. None of this is healthy when taken to the extreme.

I know, it's not that serious. But in a way it is, if you take a deeper look.

[Woodsanity]

Someone really needs to tell Eric Spoelstra, JB Bickerstaff, Rick Carlisle and Jason Kidd that Tatum sucks. What are they stupid? All playoffs long they've been guarding him like this while even internet posters can see Tatum is terrible and should not be guarded at all ...

These dudes don’t watch the games. This has always been my problem with Realgm, people do a lot of box score watching rather than actual watching. Tatum was doubled constantly all game and was the main focus of the Mavs defense

Wow the best player on a finals team got double teamed.

Yea that tends to happen to superstars but even then they can still score and won't go for 16 points.

Thats why Tatum isn't a superstar.

Please actually watch games instead of youtube clips thanks.

And lets not forgot how often he threw the ball away this game.

Seriously wonder how long you have been watching the nba or if you even watch it at all if you are saying silly stuff like this.

Superstars are consistent and can adapt to double teams.

[hugepatsfan]

At any given time in the league, there’s a handful of players who will go down as amongst the very best to ever play the game.

You can have player X rank 3rd in the league at a point in time and player Y rank 4 and player Z rank 5th. But that’s at the current point in time. But for all time sense, you can have player X in the 30ish range, player Y in the 75ish range, and player Z not in the top 100.

Tatum is in a spot like that. The guys that are 1-2 spots of him in ranking current players that will rank way higher on the all time lists. And in a sports culture where everyone is obsessed with rankings and explaining why one player is better than the other, that’s a tough spot to be because you always end up the subject of debates and being held to standards of others who might just be better players than you.

[Harry Garris]

At any given time in the league, there’s a handful of players who will go down as amongst the very best to ever play the game.

You can have player X rank 3rd in the league at a point in time and player Y rank 4 and player Z rank 5th. But that’s at the current point in time. But for all time sense, you can have player X in the 30ish range, player Y in the 75ish range, and player Z not in the top 100.

Tatum is in a spot like that. The guys that are 1-2 spots of him in ranking current players that will rank way higher on the all time lists. And in a sports culture where everyone is obsessed with rankings and explaining why one player is better than the other, that’s a tough spot to be because you always end up the subject of debates and being held to standards of others who might just be better players than you.

I don't know why there's so much discussion of Tatum's individual ability when it's very clear that the Celtics are not the kind of team that is built to amplify an individual star player. This isn't the Mavericks where Luka and Kyrie are great and they have some role players who fill in the gaps and play off of the scorers. The C's have 5 legitimately awesome basketball players who are all capable of generating their own shots, going on a hot streak and scoring points in bunches, making huge impacts on the game.

People talking about his theoretical peak are really asking the question of what kind of production would he put up if he was a heliocentric star like Luka and he controlled every single aspect of the game. The Celtics aren't built that way, Tatum isn't that kind of player, and the franchise is better off for it quite frankly.

[Sweet Serenity]

Someone really needs to tell Eric Spoelstra, JB Bickerstaff, Rick Carlisle and Jason Kidd that Tatum sucks. What are they stupid? All playoffs long they've been guarding him like this while even internet posters can see Tatum is terrible and should not be guarded at all ...

These dudes don’t watch the games. This has always been my problem with Realgm, people do a lot of box score watching rather than actual watching. Tatum was doubled constantly all game and was the main focus of the Mavs defense

Wow the best player on a finals team got double teamed.

Yea that tends to happen to superstars but even then they can still score and won't go for 16 points.

Thats why Tatum isn't a superstar.

Please actually watch games instead of youtube clips thanks.

And lets not forgot how often he threw the ball away this game.

Seriously wonder how long you have been watching the nba or if you even watch it at all if you are saying silly stuff like this.

Superstars are consistent and can adapt to double teams.

This is such a basic level of understanding of the game of basketball on your side. He was adapting to the double teams by drawing them & passing it to an open man.

Let me ask you this .. Why go ISO on a double team when you’ve got that much talent on your team ? He’s making life so much easier for the players around him because of the defence he draws.

He’s capable of putting up big numbers (I.e last series when he averaged 30/10/6) but with a team like this he doesn’t have to.

Stop box score watching & actually watch the games because you’ll understand why Tatum is so important for this team.