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Re: OT- Trump found guilty in Hush Money Trial 

Post#121 » by robillionaire » Fri May 31, 2024 12:24 pm

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The biggest result of the verdict is Trump getting a huge boost in campaign funds. :nonono:


Oh no the super rich billionaire refused to finance his own campaign and has found another way to bilk his followers out of more money! Can’t believe he was spending all that time selling blasphemous bibles


Rupert Murdoch’s propaganda page says you need to send more money now!!!! He might need money in his commissary account to buy a carton of Kools to trade for favors in the slammer
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Post#122 » by thebuzzardman » Fri May 31, 2024 12:29 pm

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What will you do come July if he isn't in prison? What did you do the last time his mug-shot was released and you all celebrated for 72 hours before realizing it had no effect on his candidacy?

Biden has gotten nothing done this past 4 years. Even his own voters are fleeing him in droves. Many of them may not be voting for Trump, but they know incompetence when they see it. The bottom line is if the way Biden has handled the economy was so wonderful, he'd be leading Trump right now and it wouldn't be close. Instead the opposite it true. Americans see billions and billions of dollars going to everyone else except Americans while they can't afford basic necessities like food and gas...then they turn on the TV and hear the liberal talking heads tell them that they are crazy, the economy is great! Crime, the joke of a border, businesses shutting down left and right, the administrations terrible messaging on Israel/Palestine, Kamala freaking Harris (lol), Bidens deteriorating mental state, our diminished image on the international stage...that's some bubble you live in if you think all of these factors won't work against him in November.


People may not like Trump, but guess what, he was already President for 4 years - and people will look back and compare life under his administration to life under this one...it's really that simple. Another 4 years won't hurt us, and certainly not more than another 4 years of this clown....who may even die in office and then we'll be stuck with Kamala, who isn't even liked or trusted by her own party or staff. Nobody cares about Trump's "meanie" attitude besides you guys. Do you think Americans really care about alleged "hush money" paid to a porn star when they can't pay their mortgage? Again democrats KNOW THEY CANNOT BEAT HIM ON THE ISSUES...that's the only reason they are keeping him in court. It's such a sad spectacle, it's almost cringe-worthy how hard they are trying to destroy his image and he keeps coming back stronger each time LMAO.

You guys don't even get paid for all this shilling you do for democrats....or do you? IDK. Either way its a shame.


Wow. One human can control and wreck, or make awesome, a trillion dollar economy, with many diverse and different parts, to include international factors.

We need to get rid of the congress, judiciary and scrap the constitution and get with a monarchy ASAP, since the man king is what gets things done.


Well the democrats seem to think that "one human" will usher in the 4th Reich and become the re-incarnation of Adolf and that's why they have to stop him at all costs...even though we've already had 4 years of Trump and...none of that happened.

Get real. The democrats need to explain to the American people how they will be better able to feed their families under Biden rather than Trump. That is the only thing that will move the needle for him. Not this farce.


I don't think "feeding my family" was much better under Trump than it has been under Biden.

Prices of food have been going up since 2007.

I don't like it, but I hardly see the Trump years as some panacea, economically.

Both parties are the party of businesses. Trump is just a gifted actor fronting for one of the parties. He's got no ideas of his own. He's just spouting BS populism that simps suck up, because the rest of the rhetoric dovetails with their worldview.
It's not like liberals wouldn't fall for a similar BS act from the right type of candidate right now, if one existed.

Again, Americans experienced some inflation and they lost their f*cking minds.

The system has been broken for 40 years but no Republican I'm familiar with has said jack sh*t about it all that time.
None of them have cared a lick about military adventurism etc.
All of sudden, it's all bad, and it's the democrats who are the war mongers.

All the stances are a pathetic joke. The parties are mostly the same.
It's just amusing to see so called conservatives trot out the talking points of the left from 50 years ago.
Not that they believe in a single one of them.
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Post#123 » by Riot Randolph » Fri May 31, 2024 12:32 pm

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No he won't. He lost by 7 million votes to the same person and he has lost more support in that time. There are actually more people who think Biden is a good president than people who don't. The people who believe he's a good president show up and vote. The ones who claim he sucks talk a lot and vote less and there are less of them. Just because some big states have more vocal Trump supporters doesn't give Trump any kind of electoral advantage. They're just loud and obnoxious about their convictions whereas those who vote for Biden and the Democrats show their convictions at the polls. Dozens of elections since the last general election have proven that polls say Republicans will win have been consistently wrong. You don't get margins of victory by 15% when you were told you would lose because you don't have support. Biden's support is out there. The gum flappers are deluding themselves if they believe otherwise.

I know Trump is teflon to his base, but the barely engaged know-nothing voter is going to be influenced by his convictions and by his senility. He just slept through this past trial. His mind is shot. Now watch what happens next. He will pull out of the debates with Biden. Because if he doesn't that will sink him even worse. He's rapidly devolving into dementia and that will very much influence his fortunes.


Unfortunately without current electoral college system, you may end up getting millions of more votes and still lose the elections. The 2020 election is much closer than that 7 million difference. “44,000 votes in Georgia, Arizona and Wisconsin separated Biden and Trump from a tie in the Electoral College”. This is from NPR.

Right now the polls show Trump is ahead in six of seven swing states. Gaza situation and general unhappiness with the economy (which I disagree, the economy is fine) will most likely keep some people who voted for Biden in 2020 at home. Add to that, there was huge energy in the base at that time. Recall the promise of $2000 checks back then Biden was promoting. And independents were backing Biden being frustrated with Trump’s complete mishandling of Covid situation. Despite all of that, Trump got record number of votes for a republican and the election came down to that 44,000 votes.

Fast forward, I see no energy from Democratic base. On the contrary, Biden is scared to even go to Chicago for his nomination with all the protests going on and he will do a virtual one. Independents seem to be under the illusion economy is tanking even though real wages are higher now and unemployment rate is historically low. On the other side, Republicans are still supporting Trump. His approval numbers are higher now than when he left the office. Honestly, I don’t think Dems are understanding how bad November will be. I can see a Republican trifecta.


I don't believe it. Remember the red wave of 2020 that failed to materialize? It was a blue wave that has continued for several years now

There has been lots of energy on the state level around the country with Democrats winning in former GOP strongholds. The abortion referendum turnout in Ohio was huge and totally blew away the predicted results. You're totally discounting the effect of the overturning of Roe v. Wade will continue to have on this next election

https://abcnews.go.com/538/democrats-winning-big-special-elections/story?id=103315703
this^ there’s still plenty of low information voters who solely want political system continuity and are turned off by the Trump meglomania
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Post#124 » by thebuzzardman » Fri May 31, 2024 12:32 pm

Here we go. Some awesome quotes by my favorite elitist anti-semite!

1. The whole aim of practical politics is to keep the populace alarmed (and hence clamorous to be led to safety) by menacing it with an endless series of hobgoblins, all of them imaginary.

2. Government is a broker in pillage, and every election is a sort of advance auction in stolen goods.

3. Democracy is a pathetic belief in the collective wisdom of individual ignorance.

4. Democracy, too, is a religion. It is the worship of jackals by jackasses.

5. Democracy is the art and science of running the circus from the monkey cage.

6. Democracy is the theory that the common people know what they want, and deserve to get it good and hard.

7. Every decent man is ashamed of the government he lives under.

8. If a politician found he had cannibals among his constituents, he would promise them missionaries for dinner.

9. As democracy is perfected, the office of president represents, more and more closely, the inner soul of the people. On some great and glorious day the plain folks of the land will reach their heart’s desire at last and the White House will be adorned by a downright moron.

10. All government, of course, is against liberty.
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Post#125 » by thebuzzardman » Fri May 31, 2024 12:37 pm

Final thoughts:

Opinions are like assh*les. Everybody has one. Many people are one.
Including yours truly.
Nearly everyone has an inner assh*le, yearning to break free.
All it needs are right pressures.

Humans are generally scum. I'd be an anarchist, but that would mean people cooperating, and no f*cking way that works out.

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Post#126 » by Jalen Bluntson » Fri May 31, 2024 12:51 pm

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I understand that. But I refuse to celebrate it.


He's not facing jail because he didn't know he was breaking any laws. That's the worst take ever.


I can't help it. It's how I feel.

I think he honestly didn't understand what he was getting himself into. And his lawyers will obviously appeal, but. . .

Others have said Trump has dementia. I don't know how I feel about a person with dementia being put in prison. I understand it, but it doesn't sit right with me.

I'm sorry if you think that's "the worst take ever", but I brought it up, because I was curious if any other people who hate Trump feel that way.


There is absolutely NO WAY he didn't know what he was getting himself into. :lol: He has had HUNDREDS of lawsuits brought against him. He has been in finance/real estate etc his entire life. You don't think he has been cheating in one way or another his entire life? Knowingly? Look at his family life if you need corroboration! He cheats all of the time and now he got caught! How would anyone think otherwise? No offense. I'm truly shocked...so...worst take ever may have seemed harsh but, this is an odd take logically speaking.

Trump doesn't have dementia. That's absurd to suggest. Delusional for sure though.

The only thing I need to know is are these charges and this verdict on the up and up. If there's any impropriety or overreaching of power in the application of these charges it will destroy the fabric of his country entirely. It's already without precedent. We cannot have it be a sham on any level. This is far too important to have tossed on appeals for any reason. It will only fuel the fire that Trump has lit.
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Post#127 » by Luv those Knicks » Fri May 31, 2024 1:00 pm

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He's not facing jail because he didn't know he was breaking any laws. That's the worst take ever.


I can't help it. It's how I feel.

I think he honestly didn't understand what he was getting himself into. And his lawyers will obviously appeal, but. . .

Others have said Trump has dementia. I don't know how I feel about a person with dementia being put in prison. I understand it, but it doesn't sit right with me.

I'm sorry if you think that's "the worst take ever", but I brought it up, because I was curious if any other people who hate Trump feel that way.


There is absolutely NO WAY he didn't know what he was getting himself into. :lol: He has had HUNDREDS of lawsuits brought against him. He has been in finance/real estate etc his entire life. You don't think he has been cheating in one way or another his entire life? Knowingly? Look at his family life if you need corroboration! He cheats all of the time and now he got caught! How would anyone think otherwise? No offense. I'm truly shocked...so...worst take ever may have seemed harsh but, this is an odd take logically speaking.

Trump doesn't have dementia. That's absurd to suggest. Delusional for sure though.

The only thing I need to know is are these charges and this verdict on the up and up. If there's any impropriety or overreaching of power in the application of these charges it will destroy the fabric of his country entirely. It's already without precedent. We cannot have it be a sham on any level. This is far too important to have tossed on appeals for any reason. It will only fuel the fire that Trump has lit.


I think you're underestimating his stupidity. But it's not really something I want to argue. I was only saying what I felt.

Also, I wasn't saying he should be set free, only that what I see is a terrible and selfish person who's going to jail, largely because he was stupid, and he overestimated his sense of what he could get away with.

I'm sure Trump isn't the first politician to write a check to a pornstar to keep them quiet, but he'll probably be the first to serve time for doing that.
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Post#128 » by Jalen Bluntson » Fri May 31, 2024 1:04 pm

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He does not sound senile at all. He's just an old man who overcame a stuttering condition as a young man who is slowing down. His mental faculties are just fine. He's going to have mental lapses at his age. Everyone over the age of 60 has momentary brain farts and mental pauses.

It is ridiculous to call Biden senile when Trump is clinically well into advancing stages of senile dementia. Anyone who has watched both men talk recently understands the difference. Trump's is slurring his words, unable to read a teleprompter, forgetting who people are, mixing up people, unable to stay on topic and inventing bizarre words that don't exist. Dementia patients nod off all day long like Trump who just slept through his own felony trial.

What matters really is Biden has competent people around him and Trump is surrounded by crooks and idiots.


You're sadly mistaken if you think people aren't concerned with Joe's Age and appearance. This is complete fantasy thinking. If they have a debate and Joe can put him in his place, it would go a long way to kill the narrative. If they debate and Joe looks lost, the damage may be too much to overcome.

People are still upset he hid during COVID from Bernie. Don't think his age is just some imaginary issue. It's a very real one that I heard voiced among younger Americans. It concerns anyone with any sense of their own surroundings actually. Dude is going on 82. The avg life expectancy in men in the US is 77.5 years. He's a full term beyond that already. It's not going to be difficult to push that narrative if Joe can't keep up appearances.

You sugar coat the hell of it though. You should be his press secretary. :lol:



Come on


The one with a significantly worse condition is Trump


They’re both too old so focus on the truth


You can brush it of but, it's a fact. There are concerns among his base and younger people. I have had the conversations a lot.

You excuse Biden as an older man who overcame stuttering when he was younger. Then you push that Trump is worse off? There is nothing to suggest that Trump is worse off than Joe. Nothing at all. Trump is just ignorant and has ADHD so he sniffs Ritalin. He appears to be in much better physical/cognitive shape than Joe. Appearance matters tremendously to voters. Denying this is kinda silly.

The truth is neither should be running but, if Joe wins there's a good chance he doesn't finish his term. This concern IS THE TRUTH that matters. People will vote against him because of this if he can't match wits in a debate and quiet the noise. Probably more of an impact than this verdict has against Trump. Don't kid yourself. When the left leaning channels are discussing it there is pause for concern. He needs his messaging to shut this down as well as his actions. The dog and pony show aspect of elections is important. The masses are dumb.
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Post#129 » by Jalen Bluntson » Fri May 31, 2024 1:13 pm

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I can't help it. It's how I feel.

I think he honestly didn't understand what he was getting himself into. And his lawyers will obviously appeal, but. . .

Others have said Trump has dementia. I don't know how I feel about a person with dementia being put in prison. I understand it, but it doesn't sit right with me.

I'm sorry if you think that's "the worst take ever", but I brought it up, because I was curious if any other people who hate Trump feel that way.


There is absolutely NO WAY he didn't know what he was getting himself into. :lol: He has had HUNDREDS of lawsuits brought against him. He has been in finance/real estate etc his entire life. You don't think he has been cheating in one way or another his entire life? Knowingly? Look at his family life if you need corroboration! He cheats all of the time and now he got caught! How would anyone think otherwise? No offense. I'm truly shocked...so...worst take ever may have seemed harsh but, this is an odd take logically speaking.

Trump doesn't have dementia. That's absurd to suggest. Delusional for sure though.

The only thing I need to know is are these charges and this verdict on the up and up. If there's any impropriety or overreaching of power in the application of these charges it will destroy the fabric of his country entirely. It's already without precedent. We cannot have it be a sham on any level. This is far too important to have tossed on appeals for any reason. It will only fuel the fire that Trump has lit.


I think you're underestimating his stupidity. But it's not really something I want to argue. I was only saying what I felt.

Also, I wasn't saying he should be set free, only that what I see is a terrible and selfish person who's going to jail, largely because he was stupid, and he overestimated his sense of what he could get away with.

I'm sure Trump isn't the first politician to write a check to a pornstar to keep them quiet, but he'll probably be the first to serve time for doing that.


He has been getting away with this for years and this time he messed with the wrong people. Now he's getting what he has always deserved. Actions have consequences and you feeling sorry for him makes zero sense to me. None at all. He has NDAs with everyone and uses others to insulate himself from crimes constantly. I think you over exaggerate his stupidity.

I am not trying to insult you here. Hope it doesn't come off that way. I just don't get your take at all. That's all.
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Post#130 » by Fury » Fri May 31, 2024 1:18 pm

Luv those Knicks wrote:
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I understand that. But I refuse to celebrate it.


He's not facing jail because he didn't know he was breaking any laws. That's the worst take ever.


I can't help it. It's how I feel.

I think he honestly didn't understand what he was getting himself into. And his lawyers will obviously appeal, but. . .

Others have said Trump has dementia. I don't know how I feel about a person with dementia being put in prison. I understand it, but it doesn't sit right with me.

I'm sorry if you think that's "the worst take ever", but I brought it up, because I was curious if any other people who hate Trump feel that way.


No.

He's constantly rips people off, like people who build **** for him, people who set up events for him. He never pays. When he gets in trouble, he uses his money to appeal for eternity until he no longer suffers any consequences. This guy is a con artist, deceitful piece of ****. Should he never suffer any consequences for any of it? Just cause he pretends he doesn't know what he did? **** outta here. This piece of **** doesn't deserve a shred of sympathy.
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Post#131 » by MrDollarBills » Fri May 31, 2024 1:20 pm

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What do Americans hate about libertarians? Just that they don't want the government to be larger?


Libertarians hate me for saying this, but the reason I don't like libertarians in politics is because small government does nothing but give more to the rich. It's exactly what we don't need right now and it's very far right republican. I know some libertarians, and I like them as people, but I strongly disagree with their politics. There's a reason why libertarians vote with the republican party, and I'm about as anti-republican as you can get.

Libertarianism is kind of like communism. It sounds good. It feels good, but it's terrible in practice.


I dabbled in Libertarianism when I was young. It's for people who like cool arguments but reality, not so much.


I remember like two decades ago Ron Paul (Rand's father) was asked what people should do if they are sick and can't afford Healthcare.

Dude said "appeal to your local church or charity".

That was when I quickly understood how much of an awful idea Libertarianism is
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Post#132 » by duetta » Fri May 31, 2024 1:28 pm

I don't think that this outcome will amount to much come November. Too many Americans have gone too far down the rabbit hole. Our national nightmare is nowhere close to ending. It may only get worse before it begins to get better.
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Post#133 » by MrDollarBills » Fri May 31, 2024 1:33 pm

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People get locked up for being stupid and doing stupid things every day.


I understand that. But I refuse to celebrate it. It's the kind of thing that gives me a heavy heart.

Trump is a person whose ability to sway voters exceeded his common sense. I think that's a sign of mental deficiency. He's got the emotional maturity of a spoiled brat 10 year old. Maybe jail is the only thing our society knows how to use to handle that, but something about that bothers me.


I see where you are coming from 100%.

Now, me, I celebrate his downfall because he has had a lifetime of doing foul, criminal things with impunity. I think, respectfully, that your take infantilizes him. He is not stupid. Far from it. That doesn't mean he isn't incompetent though, or crazy.

He is succumbing to dementia and his decades of stimulant abuse. That is true. But the idea that this dude is not aware of his actions are false. When he goes on TV ranting about the judge's daughter, DA, and framing the criminal justice process as political persecution, he knows exactly what he's doing. Dude has always been a con man and a scammer. He ripped hundreds of contractors in NY and NJ off buy not paying them for work delivered. He may be old and headed towards the end, but the man is still who he always has been: a lying criminal.

You're a better person than I am. I cannot find any empathy for this man. Not after all the things he's done. He deserves prison, and it's not just for committing felony fraud crimes.
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Post#134 » by thebuzzardman » Fri May 31, 2024 1:35 pm

duetta wrote:I don't think that this outcome will amount to much come November. Too many Americans have gone too far down the rabbit hole. Our national nightmare is nowhere close to ending. It may only get worse before it begins to get better.


Maybe Trump can write a cool book from prison and half the country loves it and we can finally reach where so many want to go.
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Post#135 » by MrDollarBills » Fri May 31, 2024 1:38 pm

Guys I think the mods have offered us some grace to discuss this historical event peacefully and like adults, which we have and I think it's cool regardless of what side of the aisle we fall on, who supports Trump, hates him, etc. But this isn't a referendum on Joe Biden. It's about Trump being convicted of 34 felony counts, the first President ever to become a convicted felon.
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Post#136 » by Snacks » Fri May 31, 2024 1:38 pm

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I'm a lifelong democrat, but I'm not happy with this outcome. I'm not unhappy with it, but the whole thing feels like a mess more than a happy outcome.

Does anyone else feel that way, or is it just me? (democrats only please, obviously republicans might not be happy with this outcome).


you feel this way b/c it's true.
Regular courts don't try the military, they are not built to. If they did b/c they had no other choice, we might get the right outcome but it would be pretty messy.
Regular courts shouldn't try government officials. this piece of **** attempted a coup as a sitting president, Congress should of acted and but the Republican cowards did not act appropriately.
Now, a former President is being tried in regular courts b/c that's all that's left. I'm happy with the outcome, but it's a mess.


You're describing a caste system that insulates government officials. Where did this idea come from?

Isn't the point of a justice system that actually works is to show no one is above the law?


that was definitely not my intent. The way it should work is he should of been impeached or the very worst Censured- setting the stage, direction, and context for criminal trials to come. For the Republicans to act like nothing wrong was done was obviously divisive and created far more of a mess than necessary.
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Post#137 » by MrDollarBills » Fri May 31, 2024 1:41 pm

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duetta wrote:I don't think that this outcome will amount to much come November. Too many Americans have gone too far down the rabbit hole. Our national nightmare is nowhere close to ending. It may only get worse before it begins to get better.


Maybe Trump can write a cool book from prison and half the country loves it and we can finally reach where so many want to go.


Ah, i see what you've done there, mein freund.

Donnie doesn't have the attention span to write a book nowadays. Or ever tbh, since Art of the Deal wasn't his writing either.
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Re: OT- Trump found guilty in Hush Money Trial 

Post#138 » by MrDollarBills » Fri May 31, 2024 1:44 pm

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you feel this way b/c it's true.
Regular courts don't try the military, they are not built to. If they did b/c they had no other choice, we might get the right outcome but it would be pretty messy.
Regular courts shouldn't try government officials. this piece of **** attempted a coup as a sitting president, Congress should of acted and but the Republican cowards did not act appropriately.
Now, a former President is being tried in regular courts b/c that's all that's left. I'm happy with the outcome, but it's a mess.


You're describing a caste system that insulates government officials. Where did this idea come from?

Isn't the point of a justice system that actually works is to show no one is above the law?


that was definitely not my intent. The way it should work is he should of been impeached or the very worst Censured- setting the stage, direction, and context for criminal trials to come. For the Republicans to act like nothing wrong was done was obviously divisive and created far more of a mess than necessary.


Quick note: these were crimes committed before he took office though, so the impeachment process doesn't really apply.

Donald Trump has been treated better than any average citizen or white collar criminal has during these proceedings. Multiple gag order violations would have landed anyone else in Rikers during the course of their trial.
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Re: OT- Trump found guilty in Hush Money Trial 

Post#139 » by rajajackal » Fri May 31, 2024 1:46 pm

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Re: OT- Trump found guilty in Hush Money Trial 

Post#140 » by 8516knicks » Fri May 31, 2024 1:52 pm

Not sure this changes anything. He probably gets no jail time. Can still vote. Can still run. Fines come out of sucker’s donations as well as his attorney fees. Appeals till 2100 end up in bought Supreme Court. Just more day-to-day publicity for a guy who lives by P.T. Barnum’s code that there is no such thing as bad publicity. 8-) :nod: :banghead:

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