Sixers Offseason Thread Part 4

[ProcessDoctor]

Marks said $9 million after Maxey signing.

Just updated it before seeing your response.

Confirmed that Oubre is coming in as a room exception so won't count for the cap. So I think we have about $11-12m if we cut Reed+Council, $9-10m if just Reed. But also guessing we might want to keep Reed for trade purposes (since he can be traded immediately and is non-guaranteed), unless we come across sometihng really nice to use that $10m on. That's probably why there's no word out yet about either Reed or that extra $.

Also all this is with Maxey still not signed but left on the $13m cap hold, we're definitely way over cap in any scenario where we're counting Maxey as signed.

I know that Reed can be traded and counted as $0 for the acquiring team, but we could waive him and acquire a player for cap space with the same effect. Unless I’m missing something, that doesn’t make sense to hang onto him for that purpose.

However, Bodner and others have said they could trade Reed and receive a $15 million dollar player in return, however, they would then be capped at the first apron I believe. I assume that would be the primary reason we are hanging onto Reed. Not sure though.

Yea the Reed trade scenario hard capping us at $178 isn’t actually that big of a deal this year. Next year it’d be nice to have a little more wiggle room up to the 2nd apron. But with only vet mins left after a potential Reed for $15 mil player trade, I think we’d be able to get just under that $178 threshold.

Edit: NVM, the Oubre $8 mil exception threw off my calculations. We’d probably need to do a Martin S&T to add another significant piece, which won’t hard cap us at the 1st apron.

[HotelVitale]

Marks said $9 million after Maxey signing.

Just updated it before seeing your response.

Confirmed that Oubre is coming in as a room exception so won't count for the cap. So I think we have about $11-12m if we cut Reed+Council, $9-10m if just Reed. But also guessing we might want to keep Reed for trade purposes (since he can be traded immediately and is non-guaranteed), unless we come across sometihng really nice to use that $10m on. That's probably why there's no word out yet about either Reed or that extra $.

Also all this is with Maxey still not signed but left on the $13m cap hold, we're definitely way over cap in any scenario where we're counting Maxey as signed.

I know that Reed can be traded and counted as $0 for the acquiring team, but we could waive him and acquire a player for cap space with the same effect. Unless I’m missing something, that doesn’t make sense to hang onto him for that purpose.

However, Bodner and others have said they could trade Reed and receive a $15 million dollar player in return, however, they would then be capped at the first apron I believe. I assume that would be the primary reason we are hanging onto Reed. Not sure though.

I don't know about $15m, that might be beyond my CBA knowledge. We could definitely trade for 125% of his $7.7m--which would be like $9.6m--and maybe we could combine that contract with what cap space we could squeeze out and a trade exception we have.

Either way we have some extra options with Reed's contract, but my guess is we wouldn't hesitate to cut it if something ideal offers itself for that cap space.

[PhillyFan11]

I wonder if the Pistons would S&T Simone Fontecchio for Reed and a ‘26 1st?
They just signed Tobi and need to develop Asur Thompson and Ron Holland at F. The old regime got Fontecchio at the deadline for peanuts, maybe the new regime would be happy to flip him for a 1st?

I also think you could fit Korey Kispert into the starting lineup. He’s a sneaky good athlete and not a bad defender (not saying he’s great). At 6’7 I think you’d have enough size with Oubre, Kispert, and PG between Maxey and Jo. Would obviously open up the offense with his 3 point shooting. Doesn’t need to play 30+ mins either.

[M2J]

My concerns regarding the signing where about being able to build depth after renouncing all your free agents.. fortunately two key pieces have been filled and I think they are the main two pieces in Drummond and Kelly. But also this supposed ability to trade Paul Reed for up to $15 million, which I fully don't understand and having draft capital should help a lot. However, it's still a tough way to live and improve with a limited window as opposed to the trades which would've given a quicker winner due to bird rights

Well we only renounced Tobias and Melton, both of which were for obvious reasons. Batum signed elsewhere and no one else was worth their caphold to us, we didn't renounce them but they just aren't keeping rights to.

I also don't get your other point--if we traded for Ingram or someone like that, we'd be in a similar situation but with fewer picks. Ingram would've come into cap space or we would've signed and traded someone for him and those guys would also be gone and thus not trade-able.

Also yeah we still have either $10m in cap space or can use Reed's contract to make trades, or we can wait and package Reed and some vet mins or young guys (plus picks etc) to make a more significant $ trade later in the year.

My point regarding the trade was for the season to help with the playoffs.

You also didn't have Buddy, who wasn't as bad as Nurse made him look. When they actually ran plays for him on game 6 he got off, instead of hoping they'd leave him as an outlet earlier in that series... Which was lazy coaching.

Also regarding Melton, a 1-year deal would have been the perfect situation if they had the ability to keep his bird rights. Getting Oubre for the room exception is very fortunate and that's basically a 1 year deal. Also would've been easier to keep Batum. Also I never pulled for Ingram, I was pulling for a guy that cost 20 something million like Bridges or Murray, where you would have super flexibility. Even enough to pay Tobias 20 million to fill your PF position or 6th man

But, whatever

[ProcessDoctor]

Not sure who I would prefer Dario, or Cov? Cov long arms , deflections and a lot better defensive player, Dario tougher a little better rebounder. Problem is we need a starting caliber power forward I’m still worried about that

Sign both and hope one of them is healthy come playoff time lol.

[Arsenal]

Potential forwards to trade Paul Reed for that won't add too much salary since we're hard capped at the 1st Apron:

1. Dorian Finney-Smith
2. Brandon Clarke
3. Grant Williams
4. Herb Jones
5. Trey Murphy
6. Bobby Portis
7. Jarred Vanderbilt
8. Chris Boucher
9. Maxi Kleber
10. Larry Nance Jr.
11. Trey Lyles

My favorite on this list would be Grant Williams, assuming the price is too high for Jones or Murphy.

If we can trade Reed plus a weak 1st for Williams I'd probably pull the trigger. Williams only makes $13m this year so we could get him and still stay under the 1st Apron.

[eyeatoma]

Potential forwards to trade Paul Reed for that won't add too much salary since we're hard capped at the 1st Apron:

1. Dorian Finney-Smith
2. Brandon Clarke
3. Grant Williams
4. Herb Jones
5. Trey Murphy
6. Bobby Portis
7. Jarred Vanderbilt
8. Chris Boucher
9. Maxi Kleber
10. Larry Nance Jr.
11. Trey Lyles

My favorite on this list would be Grant Williams, assuming the price is too high for Jones or Murphy.

If we can trade Reed plus a weak 1st for Williams I'd probably pull the trigger. Williams only makes $13m this year so we could get him and still stay under the 1st Apron.

Apparently Luka hated Grant Williams lol.

[M2J]

Just updated it before seeing your response.

Confirmed that Oubre is coming in as a room exception so won't count for the cap. So I think we have about $11-12m if we cut Reed+Council, $9-10m if just Reed. But also guessing we might want to keep Reed for trade purposes (since he can be traded immediately and is non-guaranteed), unless we come across sometihng really nice to use that $10m on. That's probably why there's no word out yet about either Reed or that extra $.

Also all this is with Maxey still not signed but left on the $13m cap hold, we're definitely way over cap in any scenario where we're counting Maxey as signed.

I know that Reed can be traded and counted as $0 for the acquiring team, but we could waive him and acquire a player for cap space with the same effect. Unless I’m missing something, that doesn’t make sense to hang onto him for that purpose.

However, Bodner and others have said they could trade Reed and receive a $15 million dollar player in return, however, they would then be capped at the first apron I believe. I assume that would be the primary reason we are hanging onto Reed. Not sure though.

I don't know about $15m, that might be beyond my CBA knowledge. We could definitely trade for 125% of his $7.7m--which would be like $9.6m--and maybe we could combine that contract with what cap space we could squeeze out and a trade exception we have.

Either way we have some extra options with Reed's contract, but my guess is we wouldn't hesitate to cut it if something ideal offers itself for that cap space.

I really would love to know about this 15 million that Bodner brought up.

[HotelVitale]

My concerns regarding the signing where about being able to build depth after renouncing all your free agents.. fortunately two key pieces have been filled and I think they are the main two pieces in Drummond and Kelly. But also this supposed ability to trade Paul Reed for up to $15 million, which I fully don't understand and having draft capital should help a lot. However, it's still a tough way to live and improve with a limited window as opposed to the trades which would've given a quicker winner due to bird rights

Well we only renounced Tobias and Melton, both of which were for obvious reasons. Batum signed elsewhere and no one else was worth their caphold to us, we didn't renounce them but they just aren't keeping rights to.

I also don't get your other point--if we traded for Ingram or someone like that, we'd be in a similar situation but with fewer picks. Ingram would've come into cap space or we would've signed and traded someone for him and those guys would also be gone and thus not trade-able.

Also yeah we still have either $10m in cap space or can use Reed's contract to make trades, or we can wait and package Reed and some vet mins or young guys (plus picks etc) to make a more significant $ trade later in the year.

My point regarding the trade was for the season to help with the playoffs.

You also didn't have Buddy, who wasn't as bad as Nurse made him look. When they actually ran plays for him on game 6 he got off, instead of hoping they'd leave him as an outlet earlier in that series... Which was lazy coaching.

Also regarding Melton, a 1-year deal would have been the perfect situation if they had the ability to keep his bird rights. Getting Oubre for the room exception is very fortunate and that's basically a 1 year deal. Also would've been easier to keep Batum. Also I never pulled for Ingram, I was pulling for a guy that cost 20 something million like Bridges or Murray, where you would have super flexibility. Even enough to pay Tobias 20 million to fill your PF position or 6th man. But, whatever

I see what you're going for. For this season, though, I don't think it's better to have Tobias Harris and maybe Buddy Hield and be down the 3+ 1st round picks that it'd cost to get Bridges or Dejounte or others. (And be dangerously close to the 2nd apron too). There's probably some perfect scenario that we could find in the abstract but who knows if we actually could've pulled that off, and what it would've actually taken to do that.

Also we would've been able to sign Hield or Melton if we wanted to, we just didn't. Either could've fit into the $ left after signing PG, so we didn't 'renounce' them. Just decided against re-signing them.

[rzzzzz]

What’s the deal with the Homie?

[seventy6ers]

Potential forwards to trade Paul Reed for that won't add too much salary since we're hard capped at the 1st Apron:

1. Dorian Finney-Smith
2. Brandon Clarke
3. Grant Williams
4. Herb Jones
5. Trey Murphy
6. Bobby Portis
7. Jarred Vanderbilt
8. Chris Boucher
9. Maxi Kleber
10. Larry Nance Jr.
11. Trey Lyles

My favorite on this list would be Grant Williams, assuming the price is too high for Jones or Murphy.

If we can trade Reed plus a weak 1st for Williams I'd probably pull the trigger. Williams only makes $13m this year so we could get him and still stay under the 1st Apron.

Apparently Luka hated Grant Williams lol.

This is a good list if one would work out. Even Boucher, Kleber and Nance would work.

[M2J]

Well we only renounced Tobias and Melton, both of which were for obvious reasons. Batum signed elsewhere and no one else was worth their caphold to us, we didn't renounce them but they just aren't keeping rights to.

I also don't get your other point--if we traded for Ingram or someone like that, we'd be in a similar situation but with fewer picks. Ingram would've come into cap space or we would've signed and traded someone for him and those guys would also be gone and thus not trade-able.

Also yeah we still have either $10m in cap space or can use Reed's contract to make trades, or we can wait and package Reed and some vet mins or young guys (plus picks etc) to make a more significant $ trade later in the year.

My point regarding the trade was for the season to help with the playoffs.

You also didn't have Buddy, who wasn't as bad as Nurse made him look. When they actually ran plays for him on game 6 he got off, instead of hoping they'd leave him as an outlet earlier in that series... Which was lazy coaching.

Also regarding Melton, a 1-year deal would have been the perfect situation if they had the ability to keep his bird rights. Getting Oubre for the room exception is very fortunate and that's basically a 1 year deal. Also would've been easier to keep Batum. Also I never pulled for Ingram, I was pulling for a guy that cost 20 something million like Bridges or Murray, where you would have super flexibility. Even enough to pay Tobias 20 million to fill your PF position or 6th man. But, whatever

I see what you're going for. For this season, though, I don't think it's better to have Tobias Harris and maybe Buddy Hield and be down the 3+ 1st round picks that it'd cost to get Bridges or Dejounte or others. (And be dangerously close to the 2nd apron too). There's probably some perfect scenario that we could find in the abstract but who knows if we actually could've pulled that off, and what it would've actually taken to do that.

Also we would've been able to sign Hield or Melton if we wanted to, we just didn't. Either could've fit into the $ left after signing PG, so we didn't 'renounce' them. Just decided against re-signing them.

Not necessarily and fill other needs like Drummond. Oubre took the mle. Drummond is 5 million a year. Melton cost 13 million and who knows with Buddy. But you essentially had to renounce their rights to pay George. Leaving a few million plus the option if waiving Reed for 7.5 more - 5 million for Drummond.


Also I found out about the $15 million thing

Sixers have ~$2.7M of cap space currently with Reed (basically a minimum), ~$9.3M of cap space if they cut reed, and can take back salary of about $15M ($7.7M reeds salary + $7.5M since they are an under the first apron team) if they trade him 1 for 1.. toss in McCain and it’s ~$19M they can take back.

Thats the most simplistic breakdown.

[M2J]

But if they trade Reed for that number of 15..., they would get hard capped at the first apron. Not great, but....

[youngcrev]

I know that Reed can be traded and counted as $0 for the acquiring team, but we could waive him and acquire a player for cap space with the same effect. Unless I’m missing something, that doesn’t make sense to hang onto him for that purpose.

However, Bodner and others have said they could trade Reed and receive a $15 million dollar player in return, however, they would then be capped at the first apron I believe. I assume that would be the primary reason we are hanging onto Reed. Not sure though.

I don't know about $15m, that might be beyond my CBA knowledge. We could definitely trade for 125% of his $7.7m--which would be like $9.6m--and maybe we could combine that contract with what cap space we could squeeze out and a trade exception we have.

Either way we have some extra options with Reed's contract, but my guess is we wouldn't hesitate to cut it if something ideal offers itself for that cap space.

I really would love to know about this 15 million that Bodner brought up.

New CBA changed some of the trade matching rules.

Up to $7.25 million in outgoing salary can bring back 200 percent plus $250,000
$7,250,001 to $29 million will be padded by a flat $7.5 million
Above $29 million will be limited to 125 percent plus $250,000

The caveat being that if incoming salary is greater than 110% of the outgoing, you become hardcapped at the first tax apron (~$178M)

[HotelVitale]

My point regarding the trade was for the season to help with the playoffs.

You also didn't have Buddy, who wasn't as bad as Nurse made him look. When they actually ran plays for him on game 6 he got off, instead of hoping they'd leave him as an outlet earlier in that series... Which was lazy coaching.

Also regarding Melton, a 1-year deal would have been the perfect situation if they had the ability to keep his bird rights. Getting Oubre for the room exception is very fortunate and that's basically a 1 year deal. Also would've been easier to keep Batum. Also I never pulled for Ingram, I was pulling for a guy that cost 20 something million like Bridges or Murray, where you would have super flexibility. Even enough to pay Tobias 20 million to fill your PF position or 6th man. But, whatever

I see what you're going for. For this season, though, I don't think it's better to have Tobias Harris and maybe Buddy Hield and be down the 3+ 1st round picks that it'd cost to get Bridges or Dejounte or others. (And be dangerously close to the 2nd apron too). There's probably some perfect scenario that we could find in the abstract but who knows if we actually could've pulled that off, and what it would've actually taken to do that.

Also we would've been able to sign Hield or Melton if we wanted to, we just didn't. Either could've fit into the $ left after signing PG, so we didn't 'renounce' them. Just decided against re-signing them.

Not necessarily and fill other needs like Drummond. Oubre took the mle. Drummond is 5 million a year. Melton cost 13 million and who knows with Buddy. But you essentially had to renounce their rights to pay George. Leaving a few million plus the option if waiving Reed for 7.5 more - 5 million for Drummond.

Been saying that they didn't have to do that to sign PG. The Sixers had like $70m in possible cap space and PG cost $49m; as you said, they chose to sign Drummond and to keep the Reed $ around, which both could've gone to Melton or Hield. They decided Melton or Hield wasn't the best use of the money they had, not because of needing to clear it for PG but because they wanted it more for Drummond and whatever Reed becomes. Hield I'm guessing also would've come back for that amount.

They're also close to the tax as is and wouldn't have been able to bring back everyone, just too much money. I get your argument that they could've got like Dejounte + resigning Hield and Melton, but I don't get why PG + Drummond + $10m to spend + 2-3 1st rounders doesn't sound about as good.

[FireMorey]

Garry Harris 2/14 back to or,ando. Way too rich for my blood. Oubre only 1m per year more is great value. I’m guessing that prices the Sixers out of the Trent sweepstakes but who knows.

[eyeatoma]

Faaaaavk Clippers got Kris Dunn...

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[mjkvol]

Potential forwards to trade Paul Reed for that won't add too much salary since we're hard capped at the 1st Apron:

1. Dorian Finney-Smith
2. Brandon Clarke
3. Grant Williams
4. Herb Jones
5. Trey Murphy
6. Bobby Portis
7. Jarred Vanderbilt
8. Chris Boucher
9. Maxi Kleber
10. Larry Nance Jr.
11. Trey Lyles

My favorite on this list would be Grant Williams, assuming the price is too high for Jones or Murphy.

If we can trade Reed plus a weak 1st for Williams I'd probably pull the trigger. Williams only makes $13m this year so we could get him and still stay under the 1st Apron.

I'd take Williams, Jones, Murphy, or DFS from that list. Actually, most of the guys on the list would be pretty good additions.

[HotelVitale]

Would've loved to get DJJ for that $10m, very impressive in this last PO run.

[Negrodamus]

Who are the teams that can give DeRozan big money anymore? What’s his plan here?