KD = Which 2025 1st?

[zimpy27]

I think this is moot anyway because it doesn't make sense for Suns to trade Durant for draft picks as the core value.

Suns will want young players that are sure things as the core value, then maybe draft compensation on top to bridge any value gap.

I don't see the value in Suns getting their picks either. If they tanked they'd be giving up picks every second year through swap options anyway.

Durant also makes a lot of money. The salary matching part is going to be significant just from the amount of salary involved. Phoenix is going to value useful salary over later 1st(s) and a lot of dead=weight money. (I don't see high-lotto picks involved at KD's age).

Yeah I would be banking on players locked in for many years because they signed a recent rookie extension or they are still rookies.

Suns want to keep Booker. So look for a locked in big wing or a C or a PG coming back for Durant as the main piece.

[Slim Charless]

FTR the deal you posted is fine, if there's less suitors I think that Lively would need to be in it. More valuable than Max i feel

I don't think Dallas includes him. With Gafford and Washington going out, they need him. And his injuries have driven his value down far enough that his value is replaced by the inclusion of the pick.

If KD is happy going to OKC then maybe? I guess they'd move Wiggins/Joe/younger salary for him as a rental. And he definitely gives them another offensive option for the playoffs. But I don't see them willing to extend him and cost themselves their ability to retain all their own youth.

Spurs, if Pop is back and Wemby's issue isn't a concern make sense as well, but I think KD might only want to go to play for Pop and if Wemby isn't right they shouldn't be buying on KD.

But also no matter how many teams we each think or don't think will be bidders ultimately KD is going to drive a lot of this. I'm definitely not trying to downplay the market to fictionally get him cheaper for Dallas as you imply though. That's super pointless lol.

I think we get Hartenstein. Plus Topic and another young player and 2 FRPs from them.

Think of it this way:

If you, Houston, OKC and Minnesota are all trying to get the same thing (Western conf title) and 1 of you can get the thing you feel helps you out as well as well as them.... and there's only 1 of this thing.

Wouldn't you want to stop them from getting that thing? Especially if you're working with a small window of contention.

That's not even considering the eastern teams.

[Mr Puddles]

GSW this last deadline was a unique situation. That will not be there this offseason.
Top 15 on this draft is better than a couple protected first ( depending on protection).

Going from Butler, Kuminga and two picks to only the 2025 15-20th pick is a gargantuan drop in value.

We know what was offered for KD based on reporting by credible sources, so we roughly know what his perceived value is around the league. To deviate from that due to evolving factors is fine, but it has to be a rational deviation.

You don't realistically go from the haul the golden state warriors offered to a pick at the tail-end of the draft. Everyone has their own opinion, but let's try to keep it somewhat rooted in reality.

Well the fact that Durant declined GSW and said he wouldn't extend is part of why his value tanked.

Durant in offseason is also only available for one playoff run instead of two.

I think his value dropped plenty.

Still I think maybe pick 7-8 is about right with useless expirings.

I don't have a problem with anyone arguing that KDs value will be lower in the off-season than it was at the trade deadline. But it needs to be a rational drop.

Going from KD landing multiple picks and starting players at the trade deadline to "we'll give you the same value you gave up to dump Jusuf Nurkic" a few weeks later is not rational.

KD is not going to be traded for the 20th pick in the draft unless he suffers a debilitating injury between now and the off-season.

[NYG]

Is any player better than KD going to get traded this off-season?

[jayjaysee]

Is any player better than KD going to get traded this off-season?

Better in 2025? Most likely not. KD is still an insane talent.

Better in 2026? Probably?

Better in 2027? Most likely..

Will KD be playing 2028-2029?..

[NYG]

Is any player better than KD going to get traded this off-season?

Better in 2025? Most likely not. KD is still an insane talent.

Better in 2026? Probably?

Better in 2027? Most likely..

Will KD be playing 2028-2029?..

https://nbarankings.theringer.com/trade-value

Using Bill Simmons trade value list... I don't see anyone above KD getting traded

[NYG]

Is any player better than KD going to get traded this off-season?

Better in 2025? Most likely not. KD is still an insane talent.

Better in 2026? Probably?

Better in 2027? Most likely..

Will KD be playing 2028-2029?..

Which forward better than KD in 2027 is getting traded this off-season too? Maybe Cam? Who else?

[jayjaysee]

Is any player better than KD going to get traded this off-season?

Better in 2025? Most likely not. KD is still an insane talent.

Better in 2026? Probably?

Better in 2027? Most likely..

Will KD be playing 2028-2029?..

Which forward better than KD in 2027 is getting traded this off-season too? Maybe Cam? Who else?

36 year old CP was the leader of the Phoenix Suns. 38 was a back up.

36 year old Dirk still was Dirk. 38 was a memory.

Pau? 36 year old getting a 3yr deal at 20% of the cap? 38? Waived…

KG? Pierce.. 36 were supposed to create a one year dynasty. 38 part time starters..

Etc.

I think LBJ, and Chris Paul, are clouding a lot of people’s opinions.

Not saying any of those guys at 36 are better than KD at 36 (outside LBJ).. I don’t think there are. Just saying Father Time is undefeated.

But your question was player.. so there’s arguments to be made that Trae, Lauri, Booker, Zion could be traded this summer? Some Sac fans seem ready for a real rebuild..

But he’ll be 38 so I’m going to go hot take response. Cam Johnson. OG. MPJ.

[Hook_Em]

Plus two future 1’s:

Kyrie
Klay
Christie
KD
AD

Exum
Dinwiddie
Marshall
Lively

[NYG]

But your question was player.. so there’s arguments to be made that Trae, Lauri, Booker, Zion could be traded this summer? Some Sac fans seem ready for a real rebuild..

Those names are fair, but ultimately...

I think the Hawks give Trae another run and hope for more development before dealing him, the Jazz wait for Lauri to up his value before cashing in, the Suns try to retool around Booker before going full teardown. I could see Zion getting dealt and the Kings exploring a Sabonis deal too if that's what the Kings implication is.

[jayjaysee]

Plus two future 1’s:

Kyrie
Klay
Christie
KD
AD

Exum
Dinwiddie
Marshall
Lively

Just for fun

Dallas needs to send out a lot more salary to match KD’s 2025 salary. Theres very little way for them to stay under the first apron with Kyrie/KD/AD. So you have to not hard cap them at the first apron realistically.

You could try to force Dallas to match with;

PJ, Gafford, Martin, Marshall, Hardy, Powell.

Dump 1 of the guys on a third team to let Phoenix stay over the second apron if you want.

Which leaves Dallas with.. “Kyrie”, Klay, KD, AD, Lively (Christie, Prosper) making currently 185ish. Leaves about 15-20 mil to fill the last 7-8 roster spots considering McGee/whatever Kyrie demands to stay here..

a terrible idea, but possible..?

Just seems so much easier if you just use Klay..

[NYG]

Can the 76ers land KD with Paul George, a top 6 '25 pick and a future 1st?

[jayjaysee]

But your question was player.. so there’s arguments to be made that Trae, Lauri, Booker, Zion could be traded this summer? Some Sac fans seem ready for a real rebuild..

Those names are fair, but ultimately...

I think the Hawks give Trae another run and hope for more development before dealing him, the Jazz wait for Lauri to up his value before cashing in, the Suns try to retool around Booker before going full teardown. I could see Zion getting dealt and the Kings exploring a Sabonis deal too if that's what the Kings implication is.

I don’t really see any of those names being traded honestly. Just guys that could be traded.

But I also think KD will be a much worse player at age 38. So I think this is one of those check back later questions. LBJ is not the rule.

And I’m still saying pick 6-10 for KD this summer if the right team has that pick.

[Hook_Em]

Plus two future 1’s:

Kyrie
Klay
Christie
KD
AD

Exum
Dinwiddie
Marshall
Lively

Just for fun

Dallas needs to send out a lot more salary to match KD’s 2025 salary. Theres very little way for them to stay under the first apron with Kyrie/KD/AD. So you have to not hard cap them at the first apron realistically.

You could try to force Dallas to match with;

PJ, Gafford, Martin, Marshall, Hardy, Powell.

Dump 1 of the guys on a third team to let Phoenix stay over the second apron if you want.

Which leaves Dallas with.. “Kyrie”, Klay, KD, AD, Lively (Christie, Prosper) making currently 185ish. Leaves about 15-20 mil to fill the last 7-8 roster spots considering McGee/whatever Kyrie demands to stay here..

a terrible idea, but possible..?

Just seems so much easier if you just use Klay..

Don’t cap hits stay the same until July 1st?

[jayjaysee]

Plus two future 1’s:

Kyrie
Klay
Christie
KD
AD

Exum
Dinwiddie
Marshall
Lively

Just for fun

Dallas needs to send out a lot more salary to match KD’s 2025 salary. Theres very little way for them to stay under the first apron with Kyrie/KD/AD. So you have to not hard cap them at the first apron realistically.

You could try to force Dallas to match with;

PJ, Gafford, Martin, Marshall, Hardy, Powell.

Dump 1 of the guys on a third team to let Phoenix stay over the second apron if you want.

Which leaves Dallas with.. “Kyrie”, Klay, KD, AD, Lively (Christie, Prosper) making currently 185ish. Leaves about 15-20 mil to fill the last 7-8 roster spots considering McGee/whatever Kyrie demands to stay here..

a terrible idea, but possible..?

Just seems so much easier if you just use Klay..

Don’t cap hits stay the same until July 1st?

Not sure how the new CBA treats that honestly.

Dallas still needs to send out more than they bring back in order to not trigger a first apron hard cap.

[NYG]

Nets get:
Klay Thompson
30th Overall (via Suns)
Lowest of '27 Jazz/Cavs/T'Wolves 1st (via Suns)

Suns get:
P.J. Washington
Daniel Gafford
Naji Marshall
13th Overall (via Mavs)

Mavericks get:
Kevin Durant

That's a lotto pick, a solid core around Booker and crazy savings.

[Slim Charless]

Nets get:
Klay Thompson
30th Overall (via Suns)
Lowest of '27 Jazz/Cavs/T'Wolves 1st (via Suns)

Suns get:
P.J. Washington
Daniel Gafford
Naji Marshall
13th Overall (via Mavs)

Mavericks get:
Kevin Durant

That's a lotto pick, a solid core around Booker and crazy savings.

So we give up 2 firsts and Durant all to get PJ Washington, Gafford and Naji?

Quite the savvy deal.

[NYG]

Nets get:
Klay Thompson
30th Overall (via Suns)
Lowest of '27 Jazz/Cavs/T'Wolves 1st (via Suns)

Suns get:
P.J. Washington
Daniel Gafford
Naji Marshall
13th Overall (via Mavs)

Mavericks get:
Kevin Durant

That's a lotto pick, a solid core around Booker and crazy savings.

So we give up 2 firsts and Durant all to get PJ Washington, Gafford and Naji?

Quite the savvy deal.

Yeah, I get that... I'm having trouble navigating the Klay portion

[Slim Charless]

Nets get:
Klay Thompson
30th Overall (via Suns)
Lowest of '27 Jazz/Cavs/T'Wolves 1st (via Suns)

Suns get:
P.J. Washington
Daniel Gafford
Naji Marshall
13th Overall (via Mavs)

Mavericks get:
Kevin Durant

That's a lotto pick, a solid core around Booker and crazy savings.

So we give up 2 firsts and Durant all to get PJ Washington, Gafford and Naji?

Quite the savvy deal.

Yeah, I get that... I'm having trouble navigating the Klay portion

Make the Mavs add in Christie or Lively to the 3rd team....or you know, to us since we're giving up the best player in the deal.

[NYG]

So we give up 2 firsts and Durant all to get PJ Washington, Gafford and Naji?

Quite the savvy deal.

Yeah, I get that... I'm having trouble navigating the Klay portion

Make the Mavs add in Christie or Lively to the 3rd team....or you know, to us since we're giving up the best player in the deal.

What about...

Gabe Vincent, Naji Marshall, P.J. Washington, Daniel Gafford and 13th Overall to the Suns
Klay to the Lakers
KD to the Mavs