Rumors, Random Thoughts, and non-Threadworthy Posts 18.0 Dave Cowens drove a taxi

[tmorgan]

Definitely wondering if Langdon sees what we fans see and is irritated with Duren’s defensive struggles. He’s still a kid, there’s still some shine there, and he’s a helluva rebounder and finisher. Seems like the Lakers should be interested, but unless Reaves can be pried loose, not sure what the deal is.

In any case, if the Pistons do move Duren, we’d be looking for a center. Dallas and Gafford come to mind. Just thinking about scenarios.

[Scoot McGroot]

Houston would still have his Bird rights (maybe only early Bird as I think he's only been there 2 seasons but that won't matter as they'll be able to offer a 1st year salary up to his contract last season and that's more than makes sense).

They're expected to decline the TO and sign him to a more reasonable multi-year deal as he's pretty essential for them.

Yup. Houston would have early Bird rights if they decline FVV’s option, meaning they could resign him for up to 175% of his salary this year, which is plenty to offer them flexibility even up to his max.

I have Houston and FVV agreeing to a longer deal that is lower in 25/26 than his option, and opting out to sign it asap. I think this is probably clear and exhibited by the mutual agreement to push back his option deadline.

Yeah I don't find that situation particularly interesting, if he isn't back it's because his salary is needed in after an opt for a big trade but that's pretty unlikely

To follow, you want Houston to pick up the option and trade FVV? Or pick up the option to keep him for just one year on his higher salary? Or decline the option to let him walk?

[MoneyTalks41890]

If OKC declines Jaylin Williams’ last year and signs him to a contract this summer what do folks think he’s worth?

[K_chile22]

Yup. Houston would have early Bird rights if they decline FVV’s option, meaning they could resign him for up to 175% of his salary this year, which is plenty to offer them flexibility even up to his max.

I have Houston and FVV agreeing to a longer deal that is lower in 25/26 than his option, and opting out to sign it asap. I think this is probably clear and exhibited by the mutual agreement to push back his option deadline.

Yeah I don't find that situation particularly interesting, if he isn't back it's because his salary is needed in after an opt for a big trade but that's pretty unlikely

To follow, you want Houston to pick up the option and trade FVV? Or pick up the option to keep him for just one year on his higher salary? Or decline the option to let him walk?

No I meant how OP called the situation interesting, I think he re-signs a lower deal like you said unless something big happens, don't find that interesting but it is my preferred and most likely outcome

[shrink]

I was reading the general fans assessment of the Wolves season on the General Board, and they see Terrence Shannon Jr (Connelly drafted #27) as a key prospect for MIN’s future. Yes, he had some key moments in a couple playoff games, and one regular season game against the Lakers, but do you think actual GMs feel he has value? He has a man’s body and can bruise people on his way to the rim, but he played four years of college ball, and will turn 25 at the end of June.

If Connelly asked for offers, could he get a late 1st back (even future 1st) and a 2nd or two, or no 1st and an armful of seconds, now or in the future? It feels like since he is good at finding talent in the draft, trading rookies for more picks later could be an engine to increase team assets?

[Godaddycurse]

I was reading the general fans assessment of the Wolves season on the General Board, and they see Terrence Shannon Jr (Connelly drafted #27) as a key prospect for MIN’s future. Yes, he had some key moments in a couple playoff games, and one regular season game against the Lakers, but do you think actual GMs feel he has value? He has a man’s body and can bruise people on his way to the rim, but he played four years of college ball, and will turn 25 at the end of June.

If Connelly asked for offers, could he get a late 1st back (even future 1st), or 3-4 seconds, now or in the future? It feels like since he is good at finding talent in the draft, trading rookies for more picks later could be an engine to increase team assets?

I can see Brooklyn taking him for 27

[BeiBeau]

Hardy, OMax, Powell to Chicago for Lonzo?

I don’t know how much value Lonzo really has and I don’t know how positive that Dallas package is? Dallas owes a 2nd because they’re getting the financial flexibility?

[babyjax13]

Post-draft?

ATL trades: Jalen Johnson, Zacharie Risacher, Onyeka Okongwu, Kobe Bufkin, 13 (rights to player), 22 (rights to player), 2027 NOP/MIL 1st (less favorable, protected 1-4), 2029 ATL 1st, 2031 ATL 1st
MIL trades: Giannis, Bobby Portis

Atlanta builds a two-headed offensive juggernaut with Trae/Giannis. Milwaukee gets two young players who are good now + a swing on Bufkin and gets picks.

Let's call 13 a shooting guard (Coward) and 22 a point guard (Traore?)


ATL:
Young - Daniels - Mann - Giannis - Portis

MIL:
Traore - Coward - Risacher - Johnson - Okongwu

[babyjax13]

If OKC declines Jaylin Williams’ last year and signs him to a contract this summer what do folks think he’s worth?

The minimum?

[zimpy27]

If OKC declines Jaylin Williams’ last year and signs him to a contract this summer what do folks think he’s worth?

4 years $7m per season.

[Scoot McGroot]

If OKC declines Jaylin Williams’ last year and signs him to a contract this summer what do folks think he’s worth?

4 years $7m per season.

My quick guess was 3/15 to 4/24, so we’re probably close? But I would bet that okc doesn’t need to decline his contract, as I think they could keep him for similar after unrestricted free agency in a year?

I don’t think he’s a threat to be “stolen” away, even if there is a decent chance he might walk eventually. I think he’s a bit more valuable to okc with his locker room vibes type presence.

[Texas Chuck]

I wonder if he signs a real team friendly extension? He might prefer to explore a team where he might be more than the emergency guy? But yeah I have him worth the TMLE or so on the open market.

[Godaddycurse]

If OKC declines Jaylin Williams’ last year and signs him to a contract this summer what do folks think he’s worth?

4 years $7m per season.

My quick guess was 3/15 to 4/24, so we’re probably close? But I would bet that okc doesn’t need to decline his contract, as I think they could keep him for similar after unrestricted free agency in a year?

I don’t think he’s a threat to be “stolen” away, even if there is a decent chance he might walk eventually. I think he’s a bit more valuable to okc with his locker room vibes type presence.

Makes sense to resign him now to get discount (ie front load it) on future years when they will be in the tax though if they really intend to keep him

[zimpy27]

If OKC declines Jaylin Williams’ last year and signs him to a contract this summer what do folks think he’s worth?

4 years $7m per season.

My quick guess was 3/15 to 4/24, so we’re probably close? But I would bet that okc doesn’t need to decline his contract, as I think they could keep him for similar after unrestricted free agency in a year?

I don’t think he’s a threat to be “stolen” away, even if there is a decent chance he might walk eventually. I think he’s a bit more valuable to okc with his locker room vibes type presence.

I agree, though I think Nuggets should take a jump at him. He'd be a good Jokic backup with his passing since Denver team seems dedicated to working off a passing C.

[Texas Chuck]

So old Doug Smith is reporting Giannis and the Raptors have mutual interest. Now I've been assured that Giannis and Masai have absolutely no relationship or mutual affection despite literal Giannis quotes on video saying otherwise.... But I do wonder if this is actual intel or more just what we do here--he knows about this relationship they absolutely do not have--and is just carrying the Raptors' water making fans think look we are going to do something big?

Their salary matching is gross, but helped a bit by the Bucks not controlling their own picks so they probably are okay with some mediocre young veterans in addition to what I would assume to be all the picks and probably Barnes at the center?

[Tripod]

So old Doug Smith is reporting Giannis and the Raptors have mutual interest. Now I've been assured that Giannis and Masai have absolutely no relationship or mutual affection despite literal Giannis quotes on video saying otherwise.... But I do wonder if this is actual intel or more just what we do here--he knows about this relationship they absolutely do not have--and is just carrying the Raptors' water making fans think look we are going to do something big?

Their salary matching is gross, but helped a bit by the Bucks not controlling their own picks so they probably are okay with some mediocre young veterans in addition to what I would assume to be all the picks and probably Barnes at the center?

I think Doug's "teport" is based off of Windhorst reporting that around the league, the Raos are looking to land a big fish. And Giannis is the biggest fish.

So Doug knows his "report" will get lots of views.

[Godaddycurse]

So old Doug Smith is reporting Giannis and the Raptors have mutual interest. Now I've been assured that Giannis and Masai have absolutely no relationship or mutual affection despite literal Giannis quotes on video saying otherwise.... But I do wonder if this is actual intel or more just what we do here--he knows about this relationship they absolutely do not have--and is just carrying the Raptors' water making fans think look we are going to do something big?

Their salary matching is gross, but helped a bit by the Bucks not controlling their own picks so they probably are okay with some mediocre young veterans in addition to what I would assume to be all the picks and probably Barnes at the center?

Salary matching isnt that bad, can probably reroute barrett for expirings with minor incentives at worst?would make it Barnes + Dick + expiring(s) + picks. Or we can eat Kuzna to make it pretty much a wash

[Texas Chuck]

So old Doug Smith is reporting Giannis and the Raptors have mutual interest. Now I've been assured that Giannis and Masai have absolutely no relationship or mutual affection despite literal Giannis quotes on video saying otherwise.... But I do wonder if this is actual intel or more just what we do here--he knows about this relationship they absolutely do not have--and is just carrying the Raptors' water making fans think look we are going to do something big?

Their salary matching is gross, but helped a bit by the Bucks not controlling their own picks so they probably are okay with some mediocre young veterans in addition to what I would assume to be all the picks and probably Barnes at the center?

Salary matching isnt that bad, can probably reroute barrett for expirings with minor incentives at worst?would make it Barnes + Dick + expiring(s) + picks

Yeah I'm not buying a team is going to give up expiring money plus incentive for RJ, but curious for you to name those teams?

Edit: maybe you mean the Raptors would give minor incentive? Still curious which teams and what minor incentives means to you?

[Godaddycurse]

So old Doug Smith is reporting Giannis and the Raptors have mutual interest. Now I've been assured that Giannis and Masai have absolutely no relationship or mutual affection despite literal Giannis quotes on video saying otherwise.... But I do wonder if this is actual intel or more just what we do here--he knows about this relationship they absolutely do not have--and is just carrying the Raptors' water making fans think look we are going to do something big?

Their salary matching is gross, but helped a bit by the Bucks not controlling their own picks so they probably are okay with some mediocre young veterans in addition to what I would assume to be all the picks and probably Barnes at the center?

Salary matching isnt that bad, can probably reroute barrett for expirings with minor incentives at worst?would make it Barnes + Dick + expiring(s) + picks

Yeah I'm not buying a team is going to give up expiring money plus incentive for RJ, but curious for you to name those teams?

I meant raptors throw in minor incentives like 2nd(s) to turn rj into expiring. Phrased that a bit awkwardly sorry

[Godaddycurse]

Edit: maybe you mean the Raptors would give minor incentive? Still curious which teams and what minor incentives means to you?

LAC could use him with Bogey and fillers. RJs contrsct lines up to expire along with Kawhi.

Utah fan offered collins for rj and 2nds a while back

Worse case scenario use pick 9 for salary matching and barnes + dick + 9 is enough to match without RJ. We would be hard capped at 1st apron but thats fine