Toronto needs a new Center

[PushDaRock]

Dick/Battle/Ochai are more than enough to cover.

Missi would've played good minutes last year behind Poeltl or when he was out instead of us being forced to recycle from G league garbage bin. The real question would be: would Mamu even be here if we had Missi. I would tend to think yes given the price tag and it'd be nice to have that depth as right now, we are toast without Poeltl.

While Mamu's been playing out of his mind, there's a reason he was avaialble for that price and at the end of the day, he still cannot provide what someone like Missi can. With Poeltl on the wrong side of 30 and bound to miss games (as he's already shown this year), we could use that size more than whatever Walter can provide especially when league is trending towards more size. And again, he and Dick/Battle/Ochai can play together instead of over each other.

Doubtful we get Mamu here if there wasn't an opening at Backup C for him.

I'd much rather Mamu be playing these backup 5 mins over Missi.

As well as he's played over expectation, Mamu solves none of the problems when Poeltl is out, which has been our biggest issue. It's downright mind-boggling how much this team is getting abused without a **** role player of a C and how that is just not normal. And it's been same thing over and over for a number of years and FO has done nothing to fix the issue. And some people her have been gaslighted to go blind to the obvious.

Drafting a guy like Missi over Walter doesn't solve all problems but it would be a step in the right direction with or without Mamu.

lol what makes you think having a scrub big is helping us much? There's more to Basketball than just rim protection.

[kalel123]

Doubtful we get Mamu here if there wasn't an opening at Backup C for him.

I'd much rather Mamu be playing these backup 5 mins over Missi.

As well as he's played over expectation, Mamu solves none of the problems when Poeltl is out, which has been our biggest issue. It's downright mind-boggling how much this team is getting abused without a **** role player of a C and how that is just not normal. And it's been same thing over and over for a number of years and FO has done nothing to fix the issue. And some people her have been gaslighted to go blind to the obvious.

Drafting a guy like Missi over Walter doesn't solve all problems but it would be a step in the right direction with or without Mamu.

lol what makes you think having a scrub big is helping us much? There's more to Basketball than just rim protection.

Damn, they gaslight you real hard, huh? Been watching games much? Poeltl's a role player when all's said and done. When someone like him impacts your team so much, something is wrong. Same when you have to roll out 6' 7" Barnes or CMB against 7-foot Embiid when you only have one guy out with injury. Same when you have 4 samey lame two guards on the bench when you got no one worth a damn with size.

[PushDaRock]

As well as he's played over expectation, Mamu solves none of the problems when Poeltl is out, which has been our biggest issue. It's downright mind-boggling how much this team is getting abused without a **** role player of a C and how that is just not normal. And it's been same thing over and over for a number of years and FO has done nothing to fix the issue. And some people her have been gaslighted to go blind to the obvious.

Drafting a guy like Missi over Walter doesn't solve all problems but it would be a step in the right direction with or without Mamu.

lol what makes you think having a scrub big is helping us much? There's more to Basketball than just rim protection.

Damn, they gaslight you real hard, huh? Been watching games much? Poeltl's a role player when all's said and done. When someone like him impacts your team so much, something is wrong. Same when you have to roll out 6' 7" Barnes or CMB against 7-foot Embiid when you only have one guy out with injury.

They like using Barnes to guard Embiid even if Jak was available, similar to what they do against Jokic.

[Mark_83]

Just bring back Orlando Robinson, trade Mogbo. We already have the new upgraded iMobo 11 in CMB.

[kalel123]

lol what makes you think having a scrub big is helping us much? There's more to Basketball than just rim protection.

Damn, they gaslight you real hard, huh? Been watching games much? Poeltl's a role player when all's said and done. When someone like him impacts your team so much, something is wrong. Same when you have to roll out 6' 7" Barnes or CMB against 7-foot Embiid when you only have one guy out with injury.

They like using Barnes to guard Embiid even if Jak was available, similar to what they do against Jokic.

And that's supposed to make someone who thinks even less of the head coach than of FO better? That means less than nothing.

[PushDaRock]

Damn, they gaslight you real hard, huh? Been watching games much? Poeltl's a role player when all's said and done. When someone like him impacts your team so much, something is wrong. Same when you have to roll out 6' 7" Barnes or CMB against 7-foot Embiid when you only have one guy out with injury.

They like using Barnes to guard Embiid even if Jak was available, similar to what they do against Jokic.

And that's supposed to make someone who thinks even less of the head coach than of FO better? That means less than nothing.

I don't really care, you can think whatever you want.

[kalel123]

They like using Barnes to guard Embiid even if Jak was available, similar to what they do against Jokic.

And that's supposed to make someone who thinks even less of the head coach than of FO better? That means less than nothing.

I don't really care, you can think whatever you want.

And you can be as blind and gaslighted as you want to be.

[PushDaRock]

And that's supposed to make someone who thinks even less of the head coach than of FO better? That means less than nothing.

I don't really care, you can think whatever you want.

And you can be as blind and gaslighted as you want to be.

ignorance is bliss

[kalel123]

I don't really care, you can think whatever you want.

And you can be as blind and gaslighted as you want to be.

ignorance is bliss

LOL, you would know looking in the mirror better than anyone else here.

[PushDaRock]

And you can be as blind and gaslighted as you want to be.

ignorance is bliss

LOL, you would know looking in the mirror better than anyone else here.

exactly, that's how I know

[Raptorfan2012]

I think Bobby is being too cheap. Grab a 3rd Center from the G-League to plug some holes. Orlando Robinson was alright last season as a back up C. Moses Brown or Jamarion Sharpe can do a similar job in grabbing a few boards and blocking a few shots.

[PushDaRock]

I think Bobby is being too cheap. Grab a 3rd Center from the G-League to plug some holes. Orlando Robinson was alright last season as a back up C. Moses Brown or Jamarion Sharpe can do a similar job in grabbing a few boards and blocking a few shots.

lol no he wasn't

You're also giving up stuff by playing these scrub bigs that just play drop coverage and challenge shots at the rim and grab a few boards. They suck guarding in space and you're giving up threes like crazy usually.

There's also the other end of the floor where they typically kill your offense because of their inability to score on anything other than garbage buckets.

[hyper316]

If sabonis wasn't injured, he might solve our rebounding problem

[720]

We traded a 1st rounder for Poeltl (dumbass trade considering the position of this franchise at the time, almost as bad as trading a 1st for Thad Young), not only did it cost us a 1st it also hurt our tank positions in subsequent years. Only for the guy to get injured when we are finally ready to be “competitive”.

[paulpuinhas]

Trade Ochai to the Suns for Nick Richards
Sign a vet min like Bol Bol, Mo Bamba, Kai Jones; just a tall dude can block a few shots and has some verticals
Start CMB as a C; he is only around an inch shorter than guys like Al Horford, Ben Wallace etc, but he knows how to defend and play the post very well.

Dont agree with your opinion on this. It is a shame that our roster doesnt have the correct measurements. How is Mogbo 6´9??? When we drafted him we was 6´6. CMB is 6´6,5 and Horford is 6´10. It is a big difference in height. We need size at the C position. Bol Bol is available and cheap, why not give him a contract?

[Brinbe]

Someone like Kalkbrenner would've been a good add, too bad he went earlier than our pick. But a big in general would've been a nice addition over Martin who I like but they found someone similar in Chucky for free. And I don't know if he'll ever make it.

It's a bit frustrating as they have Walter/Gradey/Ochai all fighting for one spot and disappointing at the same time and Battle may well end up as more ready, at least right now. And CMB has come along and taken Mogbo's role on the team. So there's just a lot of unnecessary duplication on the roster right now. It is also a shame that the young promising bigs they have found in Koloko/Porter/Chomche all haven't worked out for various reasons but they gotta keep looking and trying.

But even a stop gap is much-needed right now if they're serious about winning as much as possible. We've already seen for multiple seasons that utilizing undersized players to pick up that slack is unsustainable and a real grind on their bodies. You can't beat simple physics.

And yes, you can't just sign any random big and expect it to work but I don't think anyone is thinking or saying that. But I also dont think anyone is thinking we need some Gasol level adďition either. Just an average bench big. And that's what they get paid the big bucks to try and find. At least someone that can spell some minutes and not be a huge minus.

Their insistence and stubborness on making Malakai work was a big thing that sunk those Nurse teams and it's frustrating to see another obvious hole being ignored for whatever reason. The huburistic days of them thinking that they're the smartest guys in the room over the rest of the league has to be over.

So hopefully they address this soon instead of waiting til the deadline

[nikster]

Someone like Kalkbrenner would've been a good add, too bad he went earlier than our pick. But a big in general would've been a nice addition over Martin who I like but they found someone similar in Chucky for free. And I don't know if he'll ever make it.

It's a bit frustrating as they have Walter/Gradey/Ochai all fighting for one spot and disappointing at the same time and Battle may well end up as more ready, at least right now. And CMB has come along and taken Mogbo's role on the team. So there's just a lot of unnecessary duplication on the roster right now. It is also a shame that the young promising bigs they have found in Koloko/Porter/Chomche all haven't worked out for various reasons but they gotta keep looking and trying.

But even a stop gap is much-needed right now if they're serious about winning as much as possible. We've already seen for multiple seasons that utilizing undersized players to pick up that slack is unsustainable and a real grind on their bodies. You can't beat simple physics.

And yes, you can't just sign any random big and expect it to work but I don't think anyone is thinking or saying that. But I also dont think anyone is thinking we need some Gasol level adďition either. Just an average bench big. And that's what they get paid the big bucks to try and find. At least someone that can spell some minutes and not be a huge minus.

Their insistence and stubborness on making Malakai work was a big thing that sunk those Nurse teams and it's frustrating to see another obvious hole being ignored for whatever reason. The huburistic days of them thinking that they're the smartest guys in the room over the rest of the league has to be over.

So hopefully they address this soon instead of waiting til the deadline

Duplication isn't a problem if there isn't talent. Mogbo needs prove he's worth NBA minutes before we worry about CMB taking his minutes. Walter/Gradey/Ochao are all struggling, so you have a few shots at one of them developing into a quality rotation piece. They are still in talent acquisition mode so always take BPA on draft.

Don't know what they could have done to get a back up C this season without giving up assets. They got Sandro as a small ball C for now which was a big success. Might as well be patient and wait for an opportunity for a big man for cheap

[Brinbe]

Someone like Kalkbrenner would've been a good add, too bad he went earlier than our pick. But a big in general would've been a nice addition over Martin who I like but they found someone similar in Chucky for free. And I don't know if he'll ever make it.

It's a bit frustrating as they have Walter/Gradey/Ochai all fighting for one spot and disappointing at the same time and Battle may well end up as more ready, at least right now. And CMB has come along and taken Mogbo's role on the team. So there's just a lot of unnecessary duplication on the roster right now. It is also a shame that the young promising bigs they have found in Koloko/Porter/Chomche all haven't worked out for various reasons but they gotta keep looking and trying.

But even a stop gap is much-needed right now if they're serious about winning as much as possible. We've already seen for multiple seasons that utilizing undersized players to pick up that slack is unsustainable and a real grind on their bodies. You can't beat simple physics.

And yes, you can't just sign any random big and expect it to work but I don't think anyone is thinking or saying that. But I also dont think anyone is thinking we need some Gasol level adďition either. Just an average bench big. And that's what they get paid the big bucks to try and find. At least someone that can spell some minutes and not be a huge minus.

Their insistence and stubborness on making Malakai work was a big thing that sunk those Nurse teams and it's frustrating to see another obvious hole being ignored for whatever reason. The huburistic days of them thinking that they're the smartest guys in the room over the rest of the league has to be over.

So hopefully they address this soon instead of waiting til the deadline

Duplication isn't a problem if there isn't talent. Mogbo needs prove he's worth NBA minutes before we worry about CMB taking his minutes. Walter/Gradey/Ochao are all struggling, so you have a few shots at one of them developing into a quality rotation piece. They are still in talent acquisition mode so always take BPA on draft.

Don't know what they could have done to get a back up C this season without giving up assets. They got Sandro as a small ball C for now which was a big success. Might as well be patient and wait for an opportunity for a big man for cheap

Patience for what? They're playing real basketball in the here and now. It isnt July. Waiting around for some miracle to happen isn't a solution either. Winning organizations in any sport are aggressive about identifying and filling clear holes, especially when it's in their control, instead of just waiting around and hoping for the best. Again, did you not learn from Malachi? When we needed a C and they got Thad instead?

Be decisive and make tough choices. There's no way that all three of Ochai/Gradey/Walter are here long-term anyway when RJ has staked a claim to that starting spot and Shead/CMB/Mamu/Battle are looking like good rotation pieces.

And I'm not saying it's easy but that doesn't mean it's impossible and you don't try, especially when the one real big you do have is 30 with a lingering back problem.

[nikster]

Someone like Kalkbrenner would've been a good add, too bad he went earlier than our pick. But a big in general would've been a nice addition over Martin who I like but they found someone similar in Chucky for free. And I don't know if he'll ever make it.

It's a bit frustrating as they have Walter/Gradey/Ochai all fighting for one spot and disappointing at the same time and Battle may well end up as more ready, at least right now. And CMB has come along and taken Mogbo's role on the team. So there's just a lot of unnecessary duplication on the roster right now. It is also a shame that the young promising bigs they have found in Koloko/Porter/Chomche all haven't worked out for various reasons but they gotta keep looking and trying.

But even a stop gap is much-needed right now if they're serious about winning as much as possible. We've already seen for multiple seasons that utilizing undersized players to pick up that slack is unsustainable and a real grind on their bodies. You can't beat simple physics.

And yes, you can't just sign any random big and expect it to work but I don't think anyone is thinking or saying that. But I also dont think anyone is thinking we need some Gasol level adďition either. Just an average bench big. And that's what they get paid the big bucks to try and find. At least someone that can spell some minutes and not be a huge minus.

Their insistence and stubborness on making Malakai work was a big thing that sunk those Nurse teams and it's frustrating to see another obvious hole being ignored for whatever reason. The huburistic days of them thinking that they're the smartest guys in the room over the rest of the league has to be over.

So hopefully they address this soon instead of waiting til the deadline

Duplication isn't a problem if there isn't talent. Mogbo needs prove he's worth NBA minutes before we worry about CMB taking his minutes. Walter/Gradey/Ochao are all struggling, so you have a few shots at one of them developing into a quality rotation piece. They are still in talent acquisition mode so always take BPA on draft.

Don't know what they could have done to get a back up C this season without giving up assets. They got Sandro as a small ball C for now which was a big success. Might as well be patient and wait for an opportunity for a big man for cheap

Patience for what? They're playing real basketball in the here and now. It isnt July. Waiting around for some miracle to happen isn't a solution either. Winning organizations in any sport are aggressive about identifying and filling clear holes, especially when it's in their control, instead of just waiting around and hoping for the best. Again, did you not learn from Malachi? When we needed a C and they got Thad instead?

Be decisive and make tough choices. There's no way that all three of Ochai/Gradey/Walter are here long-term anyway when RJ has staked a claim to that starting spot and Shead/CMB/Mamu/Battle are looking like good rotation pieces.

And I'm not saying it's easy but that doesn't mean it's impossible and you don't try, especially when the one real big you do have is 30 with a lingering back problem.

This is the first year truly competing. There will be several changes to the roster over the next few years. A 3rd string C is hardly some urgent need they need fill quickly.

[redraptor77]

We need a big for sure One that takes space rebounds and bonus stretch the floor
Wendel Carter would be nice as a back up
Love to find a young Steven Adams
Maybe Kessler next year
The backcourt of RJ and Quick doesn’t work on D
We will continue to get beat until one of them is on the bench and limit their time together