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Post#1201 » by captaincrunk » Mon Jan 3, 2011 10:52 pm

BigSlam wrote:That's the difference between a true Hall Of Fame coach like Phil Jackson and a hall of fame hack like Old Man Brown.

Coach Jackson took the time to know his players well enough that he knows what to say and when he should say it. He targeted Kobe. Kobe is "that" guy. Coach Jackson doesn't just throw a blanket over everyone. He is brilliant. No wonder he has had such a highly respected and successful career. He KNOWS what it takes to be the best.

Old Man Brown though.....................well, he just keeps on working his way though the league. Over a THIRD of the leagues teams "coached" now.

I feel bad for a hack like Brown. It's like Raymond being compared to guys like Paul and Williams. Brown will just never, ever stack up against real coaches like Jackson, Pop, Sloan etc.

He's okay when he gets to hand pick his roster like a fantasy team. But the NBA isn't a fantasy league.
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Post#1202 » by e4Nf6 » Mon Jan 3, 2011 11:22 pm

If Pop, Sloan or Phil Jackson were suddenly unemployed like LB is now, how long would it be before they found another job? It would be more about them choosing a team than a team choosing them, there are probably 20-25 teams that would fire their current coach tomorrow if they knew they could replace him with one of those three.

Nobody is firing their coach to hire Larry Brown, I'd bet a lot of money he doesn't coach next year and I imagine it will be significantly longer than that. There are only so many bridges left to burn for him. He'd be a good college coach but I don't think his ego will allow him to step down to a lower level.
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Post#1203 » by captaincrunk » Mon Jan 3, 2011 11:33 pm

e4Nf6 wrote:If Pop, Sloan or Phil Jackson were suddenly unemployed like LB is now, how long would it be before they found another job? It would be more about them choosing a team than a team choosing them, there are probably 20-25 teams that would fire their current coach tomorrow if they knew they could replace him with one of those three.

Nobody is firing their coach to hire Larry Brown, I'd bet a lot of money he doesn't coach next year and I imagine it will be significantly longer than that. There are only so many bridges left to burn for him. He'd be a good college coach but I don't think his ego will allow him to step down to a lower level.

I think that if they were suddenly unemployed people would wonder why. But I understand what you mean. Also, if someone wanted to hire Larry, they'd probably have to pay the 5 million he's owed for next season or whatever, or work out a deal with MJ. Idk how that works.
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Post#1204 » by fatlever » Mon Jan 3, 2011 11:49 pm

battery, i dont know if you are being sarcastic, trying to be annoying to justify your point or if you really truly dont see a difference between phil jackson and larry brown in terms of how they scold their players. if its the latter, then shame on you.

phil jackson is a master of basketball psychology. he is probably the best that has ever lived in that regard. he knows exactly what to say to his players, how to say it, when to say, who to say it to in order to get his desired result. do not confuse phil jackson publicly making comments about kobe every now and then after a rough patch with what larry brown does.

larry brown nitpicks. he will point out your flaws, every single day, every time you make a mistake he will point it out, in public and in private, most likely in a condescending manner. he either doesnt care how his message is being received (because he is a perfectionist) or if it is doing any good, or he doesnt know any other way or he is oblivious. the problem with larry's method is that over time, just about everyone around him gets to a point where they cannot take any more from him and they begin to tune him out.

phil jackson is a master motivator. that does not mean he is going to win a ring every year. its possible that after 2 rings in a row the lakers just dont have the drive and hunger that it takes to win a 3rd. they probably believe they can coast through the season and then turn it on in the playoffs. i think any coach that has ever repeated as a champion in any sport will tell you that the 2nd time was much tougher because the hunger isnt there. 3 times in a row, damn near impossible.

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Post#1205 » by Battery » Tue Jan 4, 2011 4:37 am

fatlever wrote:battery, i dont know if you are being sarcastic, trying to be annoying to justify your point or if you really truly dont see a difference between phil jackson and larry brown in terms of how they scold their players. if its the latter, then shame on you.

phil jackson is a master of basketball psychology. he is probably the best that has ever lived in that regard. he knows exactly what to say to his players, how to say it, when to say, who to say it to in order to get his desired result. do not confuse phil jackson publicly making comments about kobe every now and then after a rough patch with what larry brown does.

larry brown nitpicks. he will point out your flaws, every single day, every time you make a mistake he will point it out, in public and in private, most likely in a condescending manner. he either doesnt care how his message is being received (because he is a perfectionist) or if it is doing any good, or he doesnt know any other way or he is oblivious. the problem with larry's method is that over time, just about everyone around him gets to a point where they cannot take any more from him and they begin to tune him out.

phil jackson is a master motivator. that does not mean he is going to win a ring every year. its possible that after 2 rings in a row the lakers just dont have the drive and hunger that it takes to win a 3rd. they probably believe they can coast through the season and then turn it on in the playoffs. i think any coach that has ever repeated as a champion in any sport will tell you that the 2nd time was much tougher because the hunger isnt there. 3 times in a row, damn near impossible.

come on man, you are better than this.


Of course Larry brown nitpicks every single day in practice and in public, it's because he takes over MEDIOCRE TEAMS that are flawed. I'd love to see Phil Jackson take over the Charlotte Bobcats before last season. Unfortunately that would never happen because he only goes to teams that have SUPERSTARS. HUGE difference! The Bobcats would have drove Phil Jackson INSANE. No matter what you say, Phil's "master motivational skills" are not getting through to Stephen Jackson and unless he's skilled at increasing someone's bball IQ, this would have ended in a huge disaster.

Right now we have the perfect coach for this flawed and highly sensitive team. Silas doesn't criticize them publicly, doesn't call anyone out and the team just goes on it's merry way. Unfortunately these types of coaches don't last very long because the players always end up running the entire show and the team becomes soft. Then management has no choice but to step in at some point. But this type of coach will get to hang around longer than usual because mediocre flawed players LOVE that sort of coach so they don't make any waves.
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Post#1206 » by countryboi » Tue Jan 4, 2011 2:29 pm

I wish i could say i watched the bobcats play the heat but i was more focused on the panthers future QB.....boy did he put on a show
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Post#1207 » by fatlever » Tue Jan 4, 2011 5:41 pm

countryboi wrote:I wish i could say i watched the bobcats play the heat but i was more focused on the panthers future QB.....boy did he put on a show


i refuse to get excited about this kid until he declares. knowing the panthers bad luck he will stay in school and we will miss out on the next manning. prepare yourself for us drafting a defensive tackle.
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Post#1208 » by fatlever » Tue Jan 4, 2011 6:20 pm

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Of course Larry brown nitpicks every single day in practice and in public, it's because he takes over MEDIOCRE TEAMS that are flawed. I'd love to see Phil Jackson take over the Charlotte Bobcats before last season. Unfortunately that would never happen because he only goes to teams that have SUPERSTARS. HUGE difference! The Bobcats would have drove Phil Jackson INSANE. No matter what you say, Phil's "master motivational skills" are not getting through to Stephen Jackson and unless he's skilled at increasing someone's bball IQ, this would have ended in a huge disaster.

Right now we have the perfect coach for this flawed and highly sensitive team. Silas doesn't criticize them publicly, doesn't call anyone out and the team just goes on it's merry way. Unfortunately these types of coaches don't last very long because the players always end up running the entire show and the team becomes soft. Then management has no choice but to step in at some point. But this type of coach will get to hang around longer than usual because mediocre flawed players LOVE that sort of coach so they don't make any waves.


you are right about jackson. my biggest beef with phil has always been that he has never had to and/or is unwilling to coach a bad or even a mediocre team. he knows what he is good at, which is handling great teams and making them champions, and he sticks to it. kudos to him.

and you are right that larry has been historically pretty good and helping turn around struggling franchises, at least in the short-term. we can debate whether he short term success is worth the problems he leaves behind after he "leaves".

could you imagine larry brown trying to coach the current heat or the current celtics though? he would ruin them, the same way he destroyed team usa in the 2004 olympics. he doesnt have the type of personality or coaching style to mesh that many big egos and get them to buy into his system.

i guess i am just not impressed with the way larry handles himself as a professional. for a man who has been around a long time, he can be bitter, stubborn and he lacks the ability to adapt to his current situation. i guess maybe he is a complete control freak and just cannot handle not having 100% control of every situation. i am much more impressed with coaches who have shown the ability to adapt to each specific situation. that is not to say that coaches should not have a system that stick with, for the most part, but they all need to be flexible enough to adjust.

when everyone around him is giving him what he wants and his players are buying into his system, then and only then is he an effective coach. sadly he has never really found the way to maintain any form of success over a period of time. you cant just discard that part of his career when discussing his legacy.

as for the specific situation in charlotte, once again his fatal flaws were
1) the perception (real or not) that he either wanted to be somewhere else or that he wasnt happy here. i believe most of the players as well as mj could sense it and it affected how they responded to him.
2) he couldnt quite seem to get past losing felton. i realize that he would have preferred to have him stay, but at the end of the day, once felton left, larry needed to move on and forget about it. it just seemed like he couldnt let it go. like the saying goes, no sense in crying over spilled milk.
3) he never found a way to get the best out of dj. we can argue dj's merits as a point guard all day long, but that is irrelevant. i have been on record many times expressing my concerns about dj. however, dj was here and thats what larry had to work with. larry needed to find a way to push the right buttons in dj. but instead larry refused to change his approach, using the old "my way or the highway" approach, while most likely pestering higgins and mj non-stop about trading for a new pg. its like having an argument with your girlfriend where you know you are right and she is wrong. and you keep pointing out you are right over and over and over to the point that she decides to leave because she is sick of you acting like jackass. was it really worth it to prove you are right to the point of losing your girlfriend? sometimes you have to just back down and try a different approach to make things last.

i'm sure that sooner or later another gm will give larry a chance to turn around their struggling franchise. he may get them 10 extra wins, but in the long term, i bet it also ends in a giant mess. is it really worth it?
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Post#1209 » by countryboi » Tue Jan 4, 2011 6:49 pm

fatlever wrote:
countryboi wrote:I wish i could say i watched the bobcats play the heat but i was more focused on the panthers future QB.....boy did he put on a show


i refuse to get excited about this kid until he declares. knowing the panthers bad luck he will stay in school and we will miss out on the next manning. prepare yourself for us drafting a defensive tackle.


i seems to all depend on what harbaugh is going to do....he looked very uncomforable when asked if he was going to stay in school last night.....i hope that means he is leaving
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Post#1210 » by Battery » Tue Jan 4, 2011 8:31 pm

fatlever wrote:
countryboi wrote:I wish i could say i watched the bobcats play the heat but i was more focused on the panthers future QB.....boy did he put on a show


i refuse to get excited about this kid until he declares. knowing the panthers bad luck he will stay in school and we will miss out on the next manning. prepare yourself for us drafting a defensive tackle.



The Panthers need to hire Jim Harbaugh, if that happens then Luck will definitely follow. But I think Luck will enter the draft because he will be the #1 pick, coming off a great game and Harbaugh will most likely leave Stanford anyway even if it's not here. Just heard that Harbaugh met with Dolphins management last night, the 49ers want him real bad too, same with Michigan but they probably can't pay him the same as an NFL team, so if he leaves which now seems like a sure bet then I can't see Luck sticking around under a new coach.

But Fats I don't if you would like Harbaugh because he's a prickly nasty SOB...much worse than Larry Brown. :lol: Harbaugh seems like a real jackass, but this is the NFL and most coaches aren't nice.

And Jerry Richardson sounds like an idiot. Just heard him speak and he should have just said 9 years is a long time for an NFL coach in one spot and it was time for a change. Instead he blathers on about the past two seasons and not liking the direction. But he spent no money, the drafts sucked and the talent on the team was terrible, he should look in the mirror if he wants to blame somebody. if he wants to win then he's going to have to pony up some money for a good head coach and better talent.
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Post#1211 » by fatlever » Tue Jan 4, 2011 9:49 pm

Battery wrote:
fatlever wrote:
countryboi wrote:I wish i could say i watched the bobcats play the heat but i was more focused on the panthers future QB.....boy did he put on a show


i refuse to get excited about this kid until he declares. knowing the panthers bad luck he will stay in school and we will miss out on the next manning. prepare yourself for us drafting a defensive tackle.



The Panthers need to hire Jim Harbaugh, if that happens then Luck will definitely follow. But I think Luck will enter the draft because he will be the #1 pick, coming off a great game and Harbaugh will most likely leave Stanford anyway even if it's not here. Just heard that Harbaugh met with Dolphins management last night, the 49ers want him real bad too, same with Michigan but they probably can't pay him the same as an NFL team, so if he leaves which now seems like a sure bet then I can't see Luck sticking around under a new coach.

But Fats I don't if you would like Harbaugh because he's a prickly nasty SOB...much worse than Larry Brown. :lol: Harbaugh seems like a real jackass, but this is the NFL and most coaches aren't nice.

And Jerry Richardson sounds like an idiot. Just heard him speak and he should have just said 9 years is a long time for an NFL coach in one spot and it was time for a change. Instead he blathers on about the past two seasons and not liking the direction. But he spent no money, the drafts sucked and the talent on the team was terrible, he should look in the mirror if he wants to blame somebody. if he wants to win then he's going to have to pony up some money for a good head coach and better talent.


coaching in the nfl is a lot different than coaching in the nba. the nfl is a coaches league, the nba is a players league. coaches have to be work-a-holics and super detail oriented in the nfl. coaches impact the game a lot more in the nfl. nba is as much about managing personalities as it is about teaching x's and o's. apples and oranges my friend.

and somehow you assume that i only like nba coaches that coddle players. that would be an incorrect assumption. just because i dont agree with larry brown's coaching style doesnt mean i dont think there is a place for being a hard-ass. i would not want an extreme coach on either end of the spectrum. what i have been discussing for 2 weeks now is that NBA coaches need to be able to adjust and read their players and know what to do or say in each case to get the desired result. i am not sure how you seemed to have missed this point since i have wrote it about 5 times now. you seem to be stuck in this mindset that just because i dont agree with your point of view that i must be in love with coaches that are pushovers and want to trade lollipops with the players. i dont live in a black and white world and neither should you.

and you also seem to have the wrong idea about silas. it seems you are basing your entire opinion of him off of how he has come in as bobcats coach and tried to build up their confidence. if you have been reading bonnell and what others have said, they all say that the best trait of silas is his knowing when to be a dick and when to be encouraging. right now he realizes that he needs to be encouraging to get their confidence back. that is not to say he will be a pushover and let the players walk all over him. he was the one coach in NY who stood up to mason. he also had to deal with mason in charlotte/new orleans as well as other malcontents like derrick coleman, baron davis, jamal magloire, ricky davis etc... can you imagine larry brown trying to deal with the hornets the year bobby phills was killed in a wreck? yeah, it would have been a disaster.

for the record, i think silas is an average to above average coach. his lack of x and o's and his lack of allowing a big name assistant on his staff that would cover his flaws always bothered me about him.
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Post#1212 » by Battery » Tue Jan 4, 2011 10:56 pm

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Battery wrote:The Panthers need to hire Jim Harbaugh, if that happens then Luck will definitely follow. But I think Luck will enter the draft because he will be the #1 pick, coming off a great game and Harbaugh will most likely leave Stanford anyway even if it's not here. Just heard that Harbaugh met with Dolphins management last night, the 49ers want him real bad too, same with Michigan but they probably can't pay him the same as an NFL team, so if he leaves which now seems like a sure bet then I can't see Luck sticking around under a new coach.

But Fats I don't if you would like Harbaugh because he's a prickly nasty SOB...much worse than Larry Brown. :lol: Harbaugh seems like a real jackass, but this is the NFL and most coaches aren't nice.

And Jerry Richardson sounds like an idiot. Just heard him speak and he should have just said 9 years is a long time for an NFL coach in one spot and it was time for a change. Instead he blathers on about the past two seasons and not liking the direction. But he spent no money, the drafts sucked and the talent on the team was terrible, he should look in the mirror if he wants to blame somebody. if he wants to win then he's going to have to pony up some money for a good head coach and better talent.


coaching in the nfl is a lot different than coaching in the nba. the nfl is a coaches league, the nba is a players league. coaches have to be work-a-holics and super detail oriented in the nfl. coaches impact the game a lot more in the nfl. nba is as much about managing personalities as it is about teaching x's and o's. apples and oranges my friend.

and somehow you assume that i only like nba coaches that coddle players. that would be an incorrect assumption. just because i dont agree with larry brown's coaching style doesnt mean i dont think there is a place for being a hard-ass. i would not want an extreme coach on either end of the spectrum. what i have been discussing for 2 weeks now is that NBA coaches need to be able to adjust and read their players and know what to do or say in each case to get the desired result. i am not sure how you seemed to have missed this point since i have wrote it about 5 times now. you seem to be stuck in this mindset that just because i dont agree with your point of view that i must be in love with coaches that are pushovers and want to trade lollipops with the players. i dont live in a black and white world and neither should you.

and you also seem to have the wrong idea about silas. it seems you are basing your entire opinion of him off of how he has come in as bobcats coach and tried to build up their confidence. if you have been reading bonnell and what others have said, they all say that the best trait of silas is his knowing when to be a dick and when to be encouraging. right now he realizes that he needs to be encouraging to get their confidence back. that is not to say he will be a pushover and let the players walk all over him. he was the one coach in NY who stood up to mason. he also had to deal with mason in charlotte/new orleans as well as other malcontents like derrick coleman, baron davis, jamal magloire, ricky davis etc... can you imagine larry brown trying to deal with the hornets the year bobby phills was killed in a wreck? yeah, it would have been a disaster.

for the record, i think silas is an average to above average coach. his lack of x and o's and his lack of allowing a big name assistant on his staff that would cover his flaws always bothered me about him.



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Fats, I'm kidding around with you about the players coach stuff. But my point still stands about Phil Jackson going insane if he had to take over the Bobcats before last season. I'm not a huge Larry Brown fan, but in fairness to him he does not take on easy coaching jobs. He came in last season, poured his heart and soul into the job and got us to the playoffs. Then in the offseason he watched MJ not resign Raymond, trade off Chandler for garbage and not bolster the bench. On top of that, MJ did not bring in a number 1 type point guard capable of competing with DJ, a player who absolutely choked and lost his confidence last season. That is extremely deflating after all of the hard work LB put in last season. ANY coach in that same situation would have been down heading into this season.

I just think you blaming LB for this is season is unfair and now all of a sudden since Silas is here everything is now a "breath of fresh air," but Silas didn't have to work his ass off last season only to be let down over the summer like LB was. Larry was ready to take the next step, but the rug was pulled out from under him and had to start from square one. At his age he probably should not have even come back this season, blame Jordan for that. Larry came here and did what he had to do, he brought us to the playoffs. For that he gets praise. This season I blame Michael Jordan, the buck stops with him and he didn't spend the money necessary to at least maintain the same level of play as last season. Larry is just the convenient scapegoat for the horrible summer moves and the lackadaisical play of the team.

Also, why do you and Slam keep saying he did more harm than good. How so??? What harm? If anything he gave these mediocre players the fundamentals needed to survive in this league no matter who the coach is. He taught them defense and toughness and in order to win in this league you need to give 110% effort night in and night out. Going forward, Larry was not the perfect coach for this season and this roster, but he should not be blamed for that. Coaches come and go all the time and all I know is that Silas was watching from his couch the past several seasons while Larry was coaching in the NBA.

If Silas is this great motivator then he would have been COACHING someplace before he came here. I guess he wasn't coaching because he did more harm to Lebron than good? No of course not, but sometimes you just need a change. We needed a change here, it happens, but Larry accomplished what he was brought here to do, make the playoffs. And if Larry did more harm then good, then what about Sam Vincent? Okafor quit on him that December, I was the only one who brought that up. But somehow Larry has become this polarizing figure because he left the Pistons after winning a championship. Everyone says they had a ready made team, but no team without a superstar has won an NBA championship. Larry did. Also Larry took Allen freaking Iverson and that drecky team to the NBA finals! That in itself should have won him a medal. The Knicks situation was a horror show, I blame Dolan, Isiah and Marbury. F those Knicks fans who blame Larry for that mess. They're just butt hurt because they were wrong about Marbury and Curry and needed someone to blame. And it's not like Isiah did any better coaching that team the following season.

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Post#1213 » by captaincrunk » Tue Jan 4, 2011 11:00 pm

If it looks like a duck several times throughout its NBA coaching career, maybe it IS a duck!
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Post#1214 » by fatlever » Tue Jan 4, 2011 11:19 pm

battery, that was the most reasonable post you have made about larry brown in 3 weeks.

i would only argue a few things...

mj didnt really have much of a choice this summer. he had to right the wrongs of the many awful decisions made in the past 4 years. our cap situation was a nightmare for a 40 win team. how could he really justify resigning felton and tyrus (who we gave up a 1st to get). the chandler move i still dont really get other than i think mj truly thought he could wheel and deal this summer and make a major move. all signs point to him at least trying to bring in chris paul or melo, albeit longshots. tip of the hat for trying.

some of the recent roster mess is a direct result of larry (dj, ajinca, diop, jax) and playing vets at the expense of developing talent in order to push for the playoffs. these are the things that potentially set us back a few years. its a double edge sword. if you push like hell to get over the hump and get to the playoffs you have to accept that in the short term you will take on bad contracts, trade away picks and stunt the growth of young players. you usually cant have it both ways.

but like walt says, financially and for support, this team needed the playoffs even if it set us back a little. i just hope we dont make any more short-sided deals now that larry is gone.

kudos to larry for working his ass off the first 2 years and getting us to the playoffs. we needed it. i will never take that away from him.
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Post#1215 » by captaincrunk » Tue Jan 4, 2011 11:24 pm

fatlever wrote:kudos to larry for working his ass off the first 2 years and getting us to the playoffs. we needed it. i will never take that away from him.

I feel the same way. We needed to make the playoffs so we could be seen as legitimate. I got so tired of people saying "You're a bobcats fan? Why? Do they still exist??" I don't hear that anymore.
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Post#1216 » by captaincrunk » Wed Jan 5, 2011 2:42 am

Someone is trying to convince me that hockey is better and more exciting than basketball.
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Post#1217 » by BigSlam » Wed Jan 5, 2011 2:58 am

captaincrunk wrote:Someone is trying to convince me that hockey is better and more exciting than basketball.

They are apples and oranges.
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Post#1218 » by Battery » Wed Jan 5, 2011 6:34 am

This ones for you fats...

http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/news;_ylt=AgwNotdRZD9jgAxIn0uqfszTjdIF?slug=aw-jacksonlakers010411

“When you’ve been around Phil for as many years as I have, we all understand that he likes coaching publicly,” Bryant told reporters on Monday. “I think it’s important for the new guys to understand that – Ron [Artest], Pau [Gasol], guys that kind of have issues with that. That’s how he coaches. … Just let him do his job and go about your business.”


At a recent practice, league sources said, Artest loudly confronted Jackson. As he tried to fit into the defending champions a season ago and earn his way, Artest grudgingly went along with Jackson’s public floggings. This season, Artest has less tolerance for it. Essentially, Artest told Jackson that if he wants to coach him, coach him. Just stop embarrassing him in public.


In a lot of ways, this run is nearing an end for the Lakers. The Zen B.S. has run its course, the way every coach’s mantra does over time. Why it worked so well, for so long, had far less to do with the meditations and far more to do with the staggering array of talent under Jackson’s watch.


Kobe taking a shot at Phil the other day...

Bryant took his own shot at Jackson saying ""We've had days off and blown teams out, so I'm not buying any of that Zen bulls**t," Bryant said.


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And if you watched the Knicks-Spurs tonight, you would have seen Pop ripping Parker a new a-hole 1 minute into the game. Then you would have seen Pop bench all of his starters with 3:30 left in the game because they played no defense. After that in the post game press conference you would have seen Pop mock his team for their lack of effort.


This is what good coaches do! They humiliate their players publicly so they get pissed off and want to prove that they aren't sh*t. Chris Webber talked about it on NBA TV tonight after listening to Pop's post game comments to the media. The problem with us is we don't have a superstar to stem the tide when things get rough. Also this season we lost a bunch of close games early on and those kinds of losses are very deflating and kills morale. Teams with superstars win the majority of those close ones even in games their team plays like crap, so when the coach goes to yell at them afterwards, they still got the win and just move on. With us it became tougher to listen to Larry because we weren't winning those games. If we had won a few of those close game things would have been much much much different. We didn't and thats how coaches get fired.

I wish you would have just said that you wanted a coach who runs a quicker paced offense instead of using LB as a scapegoat for this crappy season. I think with you it really had more to do with style of play than Larry sending DJ to his room. Don't be like those dumb Knicks fans who are still butt hurt over Larry because he wasn't able to take Stephon Marbury and Eddy Curry to the playoffs.
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Re: Off Topic II 

Post#1219 » by captaincrunk » Wed Jan 5, 2011 7:50 am

Battery, you're cherry picking here.
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Post#1220 » by captaincrunk » Wed Jan 5, 2011 7:53 am

Griffin and McGee say they'll do the dunk contest.

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