Derrick Rose Thread #13 - Acceptance

[AirP.]

Sigh...if only having confidence after a career-threatening injury was this easy. Rose's mental health in this recovery process is being done a huge disservice by you and most others here.

Yeah I know, I had my arm pulled out of the socket which required shoulder reconstruction and 10 year later I had my achilies snap in half, i probably have no idea what it's like.

[jnrjr79]

In due time, he will get there. Just not on your or anyone elses timeline. His timeline is the only one that matters. And most reasonable folks are fine with that.

Is this reasonable?

You're going to get in a pool with your friends, no matter what you do the water is going to be the same temperature, either you can jump in and get over it quicker or you can take your time SLOWLY getting into the pool while making all your friends wait on you. The outcome is the same, the only difference is the amount of time you take and you having to deal with everything for a short amount of time(jump in vs slowly entering).

I'm sorry but if Derrick was medically cleared he should have been playing games a few weeks later at the most and would be as good as he's going to get by now. The Bulls would be a better team, Derrick would be past his hangup and the FO would know what they have going into the summer.

So again, his mental confidence in his injury means nothing, right? Just trying to find out where the his mental health comes into play here. Thanks.

I'm getting pretty sick of the "mental health" trope. Derrick has indicated he doesn't feel mentally ready to return, but I have seen no indication of any action mental health issue. Is he a paranoid schizophrenic? Is he bipolar? Has be been diagnosed with clinical depression.

Being scared or intimidated by the thought of coming back is not the same thing as a bona fide mental health issue.

[DaMayor73]

The timeline is not arbitrary.

Sheesh.

It's not? So surely you can point out a MVP-level superstar's torn ACL rehab timeline then. Please link and share. I will wait. Thanks.

First you give us a link wherein doctors say that 'MVP-level superstars' call for radically different treatment and rehabs than other players.

I will be the first to admit there are none.

Now your turn. Thanks.

[panthermark]

The timeline is not arbitrary.

Sheesh.

It's not? So surely you can point out a MVP-level superstar's torn ACL rehab timeline then. Please link and share. I will wait. Thanks.

Umm...Dr Cole/Derrick Rose?

A source said there were no complications or surprises during the surgery, which lasted about an hour.

“His knee looked great,” the source said. “It’s what you’d expect from a 23-year-old physical specimen.”

Rose underwent a “pre-hab” routine that involved allowing the fluid and swelling to recede before he underwent surgery. Rose also did rehabilitation exercises before surgery that doctors hoped would allow him to recover from surgery sooner.

The usual recovery time for someone undergoing ACL surgery is 6-9 months. The Sun-Times has learned that Rose was told to expect an eight-month rehabilitation, which would allow him to return to the Bulls in late December or early January. However, Rose has been told that he could be back playing basketball within four to five months, although not at the elite level required in the NBA.

http://www.suntimes.com/sports/basketba ... n-acl.html

We know the normal timeline is 6-9 months. That isn't ancedotal.

We know Rose was given 8-12. That isn't arbitrary.

We know Rose was cleared for full contact, full court 5 on 5 after 9 months and 1 week.

What we don't know is how long it takes for someone to get over the mental hurdle, what we do know is that most players don't stumble on this hurdle and sit for 2 months.

[jnrjr79]

The timeline is not arbitrary.

Sheesh.

It's not? So surely you can point out a MVP-level superstar's torn ACL rehab timeline then. Please link and share. I will wait. Thanks.

This is so patently ridiculous.

How about you show me some authority for the notion that MVP LEVEL SUPERSTARS!!!!! heal differently than mere mortals.

[The 6ft Hurdle]

The timeline is not arbitrary.

Sheesh.

There probably was one, but we the public don't know its specifics nor what benchmarks are on there, which makes any talk about "Rose not following" or "deviating" from said timeline purely speculative, and thus arbitrary. We have the dates for other ACL injuries and their returns; Rose's might not look great in comparison, but in the bigger picture, I'm not sure why it should matter, given that this is our franchise player who suffered a traumatic injury not even from contact but from weakened, fatigued muscles. No room for anymore disastrous type 2 errors here.

[DaMayor73]

Sigh...if only having confidence after a career-threatening injury was this easy. Rose's mental health in this recovery process is being done a huge disservice by you and most others here.

Yeah I know, I had my arm pulled out of the socket which required shoulder reconstruction and 10 year later I had my achilies snap in half, i probably have no idea what it's like.

Yeah, and I have been shot at in combat and had mortars explode around me.....think it took me some time to get over that and get back out there and do my job? Sure did. Some people never get over it. So again, everyone is different and everyone heeds their own timeline for health.

[DaMayor73]

We know the normal timeline is 6-9 months. That isn't ancedotal.

We know Rose was given 8-12. That isn't arbitrary.

We know Rose was cleared for full contact, full court 5 on 5 after 9 months and 1 week.

What we don't know is how long it takes for someone to get over the mental hurdle, what we do know is that most players don't stumble on this hurdle and sit for 2 months.

And if Rose is the outlier here? Ever condier that? And if he is the outlier, guess what? He will come back when he is ready mentally and physically. As it should be, arbtrary timeline be damned.

[jnrjr79]

Sigh...if only having confidence after a career-threatening injury was this easy. Rose's mental health in this recovery process is being done a huge disservice by you and most others here.

Yeah I know, I had my arm pulled out of the socket which required shoulder reconstruction and 10 year later I had my achilies snap in half, i probably have no idea what it's like.

Yeah, and I have been shot at in combat and had mortars explode around me.....think it took me some time to get over that and get back out there and do my job? Sure did. Some people never get over it. So again, everyone is different and everyone heeds their own timeline for health.

So Rose has PTSD now?

[Viatical]

I don't think that blogger understands what Mt. Rushmore is when he crafted that series of dumb sentences.

It memorializes four former Presidents, most of whom were long dead when carving first began.

Abraham Lincoln did not take a historical trip to the Dakotas and then look out upon the granite mountains to see his half-carved likeness.

So it's kind of a dumb bit of imagery to try to invoke when it comes to the careers of people who are still "in office" and still shaping their own legacies. You know, people like Boozer and Rose. You big dummy who is dumb, with your dumb words that are dumb.

LEARN YOUR HISTORY!

*takes a drag of bourbon, gets angered by the sounds of children laughing and playing outside*

[DaMayor73]

The timeline is not arbitrary.

Sheesh.

It's not? So surely you can point out a MVP-level superstar's torn ACL rehab timeline then. Please link and share. I will wait. Thanks.

This is so patently ridiculous.

How about you show me some authority for the notion that MVP LEVEL SUPERSTARS!!!!! heal differently than mere mortals.

MVP-level stars with the game and athletism of Rose need to have and should have as much time needed to get mentally/pphysically healthy. Why? To be able to shoulder the HUGE burden he has on this team. And it really is as simple as that. Thanks.

[jnrjr79]

And if Rose is the outlier here? Ever condier that? And if he is the outlier, guess what? He will come back when he is ready mentally and physically. As it should be, arbtrary timeline be damned.

The timeline is not arbitrary. Repeatedly calling it arbitrary does not make it so.

[Rerisen]

This is precisely what I don't get about this board. It can't at all just be Reggie talking tough, covering up the fact Derrick is scared to come back and test the knee full out.

It has to be the juicy story.

What don't you get about someone coming to a conclusion by logic. How in the world did Reggie Rose know Derrick was going to be scared to take the final step way back in December???

[DaMayor73]

So Rose has PTSD now?

Duh!!!!! Absolutely. His career flashed before his eyes. Hundreads of millions of dollars lost. So he wants to make damned sure he is right before he puts it all on the line again. As it should be.

[Midway Bully]

So again, his mental confidence in his injury means nothing, right? Just trying to find out where the his mental health comes into play here. Thanks.

Mental health? We're talking about getting over not having confidence in a reconstructed part of your body, you know how you get over that, you utilize it in the ways you're "worried" about to PROVE to yourself it works, not to expect to wake up one day and say, wow, yesterday I didn't think I could jump hard off it, but today I do, put me in coach I'm all better now!

Sigh...if only having confidence after a career-threatening injury was this easy. Rose's mental health in this recovery process is being done a huge disservice by you and most others here.

You stated several pages back that Rose was still injured, which is just false on nearly all accounts, and now you keep going on about how huge the mental aspect of coming back from an injury is. Yes, it is a huge factor, but it isn't as if Rose has just been cleared to play. He has been cleared for a while. At what point is he going to be mentally ready if the requirement for that is getting on the court, something he refuses to do? At what point do you draw a line? If Derrick Rose sits out next year because he isn't mentally ready, what would be your argument then?

Most people here are going off a certain time limit that has been set for this type of injury, and no other player has taken this long to come back from an ACL injury. Is that not out of the norm? And that doesn't even take into account the Reggie Rose comments, PR games being played etc. I'm just talking about a player that has been cleared to play, even before these "rough" playoffs started (could've gotten 10 or so games in against weaker competition before the playoffs. and let's not pretend the Nets are a physical team), and has refused to play nearly two months after said clearance. There have been no reported setbacks either.

[jnrjr79]

MVP-level stars with the game and athletism of Rose need to have and should have as much time needed to get mentally/pphysically healthy. Why? To be able to shoulder the HUGE burden he has on this team. And it really is as simple as that. Thanks.

I'm not sure what you're thanking me for.

Your post has exactly zero logical basis or support. You just conclude that superstars should be treated differently. What you can't do, because obviously it would be absurd to attempt, is argue that Derrick, because he is a superstar, heals differently than mere mortals.

So I'll take your post as a concession that you can't support your argument. And that has been quite clear over the course of the thread.

[jnrjr79]

So Rose has PTSD now?

Duh!!!!! Absolutely. His career flashed before his eyes. Hundreads of millions of dollars lost. So he wants to make damned sure he is right before he puts it all on the line again. As it should be.

Wow, I didn't realize you were a psychiatrist and had examined Rose. This changes everything.

[coldfish]

If Rose's knee isn't healed, he is screwed.

What's come out that Rose's knee isn't healed?

Nothing, which explains the several billion posts discussing why he isn't playing.

[DaMayor73]

And if Rose is the outlier here? Ever condier that? And if he is the outlier, guess what? He will come back when he is ready mentally and physically. As it should be, arbtrary timeline be damned.

The timeline is not arbitrary. Repeatedly calling it arbitrary does not make it so.

Need I go get my Webster's dictionary and provide you the definition of arbitrary? A year is 365 days. Not arbitrary. A ton is 2,000lbs. Not arbitrary. The time it takes mentally and physically from a torn ACL. Arbitrary. Thanks.

[jnrjr79]

And if Rose is the outlier here? Ever condier that? And if he is the outlier, guess what? He will come back when he is ready mentally and physically. As it should be, arbtrary timeline be damned.

The timeline is not arbitrary. Repeatedly calling it arbitrary does not make it so.

Need I go get my Webster's dictionary and provide you the definition of arbitrary? A year is 365 days. Not arbitrary. A ton is 2,000lbs. Not arbitrary. The time it takes mentally and physically from a torn ACL. Arbitrary. Thanks.

Yes, your post demonstrates you do in fact need to consult the dictionary.