Where is Nerlens?

[BullyKing]

Crabbe has an $18.7m average salary with a 15% trade kicker, so we would be paying him $21.5m on average.

HW can correct me if I'm wrong about any that. I just can't imagine that being the centerpiece.

That is correct, and that's why Portland's probably gonna have to surrender some 1st round picks on top of Crabbe.

Noel for Harkless is something I would like to do.
Hark seems a good fit for Simmons as 3／4

I doubt Portland's trading Harkless for Noel. Harkless is coming around to the Blazers 3rd option on offense and plays really good defense. He's basically their do-it-all guy and they're really high on him.

Noel's red flags with his injury, attitude and contract situation (up for a huge pay raise) are all going to bring his value down in terms of what Portland (and any other team) is willing to pay. Here's the pieces I think are up for grabs from the Blazers for Noel....

Crabbe
Leonard
Napier
Layman
Davis
Vonleh
Connaughton
Ezeli
POR 1st Rounder (lottery protected... maybe a bit less depending on how the rest of the deal looks)
CLE 1st Rounder
2nd Rounders (whatever ones they have available)

You find some sort of combination of those players and picks for Noel and I think Portland does it.

I hear you on McCollum and to lesser extent Harkless but that's a really uninspiring list of assets.

[DusterBuster]

Crabbe has an $18.7m average salary with a 15% trade kicker, so we would be paying him $21.5m on average.

HW can correct me if I'm wrong about any that. I just can't imagine that being the centerpiece.

That is correct, and that's why Portland's probably gonna have to surrender some 1st round picks on top of Crabbe.

Noel for Harkless is something I would like to do.
Hark seems a good fit for Simmons as 3／4

I doubt Portland's trading Harkless for Noel. Harkless is coming around to the Blazers 3rd option on offense and plays really good defense. He's basically their do-it-all guy and they're really high on him.

Noel's red flags with his injury, attitude and contract situation (up for a huge pay raise) are all going to bring his value down in terms of what Portland (and any other team) is willing to pay. Here's the pieces I think are up for grabs from the Blazers for Noel....

Crabbe
Leonard
Napier
Layman
Davis
Vonleh
Connaughton
Ezeli
POR 1st Rounder (lottery protected... maybe a bit less depending on how the rest of the deal looks)
CLE 1st Rounder
2nd Rounders (whatever ones they have available)

You find some sort of combination of those players and picks for Noel and I think Portland does it.

I hear you on McCollum and to lesser extent Harkless but that's a really uninspiring list of assets.

Two 1st rounders and some middling young players is probably the max the Sixers can hope to get from Noel at this point given his attitude, injury history and contract status. Say what you want about the uninspiring assets listed, I'm not exactly sure what else is going to be out there that's going to really blow away the Sixer fans who were hoping for All Star level talent in return.

[76thBearCub]

That is correct, and that's why Portland's probably gonna have to surrender some 1st round picks on top of Crabbe.



I doubt Portland's trading Harkless for Noel. Harkless is coming around to the Blazers 3rd option on offense and plays really good defense. He's basically their do-it-all guy and they're really high on him.

Noel's red flags with his injury, attitude and contract situation (up for a huge pay raise) are all going to bring his value down in terms of what Portland (and any other team) is willing to pay. Here's the pieces I think are up for grabs from the Blazers for Noel....

Crabbe
Leonard
Napier
Layman
Davis
Vonleh
Connaughton
Ezeli
POR 1st Rounder (lottery protected... maybe a bit less depending on how the rest of the deal looks)
CLE 1st Rounder
2nd Rounders (whatever ones they have available)

You find some sort of combination of those players and picks for Noel and I think Portland does it.

I hear you on McCollum and to lesser extent Harkless but that's a really uninspiring list of assets.

Two 1st rounders and some middling young players is probably the max the Sixers can hope to get from Noel at this point given his attitude, injury history and contract status. Say what you want about the uninspiring assets listed, I'm not exactly sure what else is going to be out there that's going to really blow away the Sixer fans who were hoping for All Star level talent in return.

The Blazers gm doubled up twice on being mediocre. Crabbe, Turner, Leonard etc, are just a sad collection of talent for the money.

[Sixerscan]

Man I didn't realize how much garbage the Blazers have on their bench until it was laid out like that. Didn't even mention the guy with the worst RPM in the league by like a full point.

[Negrodamus]

No way you're getting McCollum back for either of the centers at this point.

Either way Portland has a bit of a big man log jam themselves. Seems like the whole league does.

Well obviously not straight up.

Noel and RoCo? Noel, RoCo and Luwawu or Korkmaz?

2 instant contributors in positions of need. Bring Crabbe in as SG.

You're not getting CJ in any deal. That's just not going to happen. The deal will go nowhere if that's where Philly is thinking. And there's nothing really they can add (within reason) that would change the Blazers mind.

I have to believe it's gonna be Crabbe as the centerpiece of a deal. It's easy to complain about a guy making 18+mil per year when his stats are so low. You have to take context into account here though. He has an extremely limited offensive role in Portland where his main use by Stotts is to be an offensive decoy to stretch the defenses for Lillard and CJ to operate. So yeah, at only 7 or 8 shots per game as a backup, he's never going to get a chance to prove he's worth that deal.

Now you take him and put him in a starters role and give him an opportunity to shoot 14-15 times per game, his numbers are going to be far closer to what you'd want out of a player getting paid what he is.

Plus side for Crabbe's contract as well, you guys probably will get more from Portland in the way of picks and promising young players like Vonleh or Layman.

Then if you're speaking for the Blazers, I'll just go ahead and say no deal.

Analytically, C.J McCollum has been quite pedestrian (barely edges in the top 50 PER; has a BPM of 1.0; VORP of .5).

If Crabbe (who has been remarkably worse) is the best player you can trot out as a piece with that nightmare contract, then I'll respectfully pass.

[Sixerscan]

Seriously how the hell is that team being projected to be a top 4 team in the west? Stotts must be a wizard and Lillard a monster. That's like some of the squads at the end of Iverson's run here.

It actually makes me feel like we're not that far away from putting together a team on that level. Our bench is probably already better than that crap.

As far as Nerlens goes, I've already accepted that we're not getting much for him. This was the risk Colangelo ran by not dealing him before free agency. It's one of the casualties of Embiid being healthy and a monster. Oh well.

[BullyKing]

Seriously how the hell is that team being projected to be a top 4 team in the west? Stotts must be a wizard and Lillard a monster. That's like some of the squads at the end of Iverson's run here.

It actually makes me feel like we're not that far away from putting together a team on that level. Our bench is probably already better than that crap.

And just think about how much they're paying for it too

[XDevilBoiX]

Sam will their next GM lol

[Kolkmania]

Seriously how the hell is that team being projected to be a top 4 team in the west? Stotts must be a wizard and Lillard a monster. That's like some of the squads at the end of Iverson's run here.

It actually makes me feel like we're not that far away from putting together a team on that level. Our bench is probably already better than that crap.

As far as Nerlens goes, I've already accepted that we're not getting much for him. This was the risk Colangelo ran by not dealing him before free agency. It's one of the casualties of Embiid being healthy and a monster. Oh well.

I do think that Stotts is one of the best offensive coaches and to be fair they're missing two important defensive pieces with Al-Farouq Aminu and Festus Ezeli. With those guys they might bump their record from 0.5 to 0.6. Not that it matters though, they lost all flexibility with offering $60 million a year for McCollum, Crabbe and Turner, whereas the latter two are practically untradeable.

In two weeks, 15 december, the trade rumors will appear in the media with players like Tyler Zeller becoming eligible for trades.

[Gsraider]

Then if you're speaking for the Blazers, I'll just go ahead and say no deal

He's not and I'm not sure why fans from this board and others speak as though they have any insight, authority, or otherwise when it comes to what a team is willing to deal or not deal. We can all make educated guesses, but I'm guessing no one would have thought that Divac would have made the Stauskus deal either if it was presented to them like it was. In the end, no way I trade Noel for Crabbe even if it somewhat fills a need. At the contract he received, especially with the kicker, I wouldn't touch him or Turner. Philly has worked far too long to fix its payroll only to destroy it like Portland seems to have with their comical FA spending spree.

Be that as it may, I don't think Philly can land CJ either, but just the same, I don't think Noel is viewed as an attitude problem or issue elsewhere. Other than Noel being unhappy with his current situation, he has been pretty positive and considered a hard worker his entire career. Sure, there was that unconfirmed TMZ story, but I don't think Noel is considered high risk by anyone in terms of attitude. Just keep him and shop him to other teams as injuries occur.

[jbent87]

Depending where that team is at the deadline, (possibly bad) it would have been fun to see what Hinkie could come up with to get CJ McCollum off of them.

[Ericb5]

Then if you're speaking for the Blazers, I'll just go ahead and say no deal

He's not and I'm not sure why fans from this board and others speak as though they have any insight, authority, or otherwise when it comes to what a team is willing to deal or not deal. We can all make educated guesses, but I'm guessing no one would have thought that Divac would have made the Stauskus deal either if it was presented to them like it was. In the end, no way I trade Noel for Crabbe even if it somewhat fills a need. At the contract he received, especially with the kicker, I wouldn't touch him or Turner. Philly has worked far too long to fix its payroll only to destroy it like Portland seems to have with their comical FA spending spree.

Be that as it may, I don't think Philly can land CJ either, but just the same, I don't think Noel is viewed as an attitude problem or issue elsewhere. Other than Noel being unhappy with his current situation, he has been pretty positive and considered a hard worker his entire career. Sure, there was that unconfirmed TMZ story, but I don't think Noel is considered high risk by anyone in terms of attitude. Just keep him and shop him to other teams as injuries occur.

I think that the discussion between fans is just talk, but that if the fans of the other team agree to a deal then it has an air of realism to it. Plus it is just fun to talk to other fans if everything stays respectful. Nobody would have expected Vlade to make the Stauskus deal because that was a bone head deal, and fans don't have the same biases as the decision makers. For example, Vlade is thinking of keeping his job, and not thinking about the long term health of the organization. He didn't draft Stauskus, nor will he still be in charge in 2019 if he can't get the team improved, so he goes all in for a win now move.

[PhilasFinest]

Im all for finding a deal for Noel.....but theres 0 interest for me, in Allen Crabbe and that contract. Id rather trot out 2nd rounders or shooters in the D league for the time being.

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[Gsraider]

I think that the discussion between fans is just talk, but that if the fans of the other team agree to a deal then it has an air of realism to it. Plus it is just fun to talk to other fans if everything stays respectful.

I get that and can appreciate that Eric. I just find it amusing when posters talk as though they are the actual GM and not fans like the rest of us. Comments like "CJ is off the table" is laughable and complete guesswork even if it's an educated one. Truth be told, teams are trying to steal Nerlens and convince themselves that his value is so low right now. Unfortunately, they probably will in the end because Nerlens has not helped BC in any way with his comments and impending FA status. To suggest that he isn't an impact player and possible DOY candidate is ridiculous though. If Noel wasn't where he was within his rookie contract, CJ for him wouldn't make anyone outside of Philly or Portland even bat an eye.

[SelfishPlayer]

CJ is worth far more in today's NBA than Noel ever could be. Noel as an undrafted college player was never worth more than the current CJ. CJ's on court production is worth more than Noel's highest NBA potential projection. After playing many seasons in the NBA, people know what Noel is and isn't. He just makes some defensive plays and dunks. That's not enough in exchange for a top offensive producer like CJ.

[CptCrunch]

Two Noel and the pick that drafted Noel wouldn't be close enough for CJ. CJ is a bonafide second option, low tier franchise player in this league. No history of knee/back injuries, recently returned 25 and is locked into a long and reasonable contract.

He is 23rd in terms of BPM in the league, 2nd in BPM among SG behind Harden. Slightly below average defender, craps on every SG in the league in terms of efficiency (beside from Harden). DeRozan can't touch his offensive impact.

[MatthewGeigerII]

Noel said he thinks he's close to being back.
Brett Brown said "doesn't think he will play the next 4 or 5 games".

my best guess?

Noel comes back Wed. Dec. 14th and plays the homestand. <2 weeks.

[Gsraider]

CJ is worth far more in today's NBA than Noel ever could be. Noel as an undrafted college player was never worth more than the current CJ. CJ's on court production is worth more than Noel's highest NBA potential projection. After playing many seasons in the NBA, people know what Noel is and isn't. He just makes some defensive plays and dunks. That's not enough in exchange for a top offensive producer like CJ.

Undrafted college player? Do you even know who Noel is? Assuming that was just a typo, you do realize that Noel was thought to be the #1 overall pick a few years ago, but for his ACL tear. CJ was a great pick and a hell of a player in general, but comparing him to Noel couldn't be a more apples to oranges endeavor. If you want a true rim protector and someone who can anchor your defense, Noel possesses DOY type ability. He has that type of talent on that end. Offensively, he's far more challenged, but not completely inept either. While I cannot speak much to CJ's defense, he's a tremendous scoring guard that can easily give you 20 ppg in a variety of ways. Depends on what you need, but it's almost laughable how much Noel is discounted by many. For Philly, I'd rather have CJ obviously, but that's because he fills a glaring need. If Philly did not have Embid however (possibly Okafor), I wouldn't be quite as anxious to move Noel. Be that as it may, I wouldn't trade CJ for Noel if I was Portland either. I just don't find it to be as laughable as a few others have said, particularly if Philly throws in something with it.

[SelfishPlayer]

Undrafted college player? Do you even know who Noel is? Assuming that was just a typo, you do realize that Noel was thought to be the #1 overall pick a few years ago,

"Undrafted college player?" = "Noel was thought to be the #1 overall pick a few years ago."