2017 REGULAR SEASON LA Dodgers & international

Ranma · Post #1201 » by **Ranma** » Fri Sep 15, 2017 10:13 pm

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Ranma · Post #1203 » by **Ranma** » Sat Sep 16, 2017 2:30 am

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Neddy · Post #1204 » by **Neddy** » Sat Sep 16, 2017 5:05 am

Quake Griffin wrote:Oh and like I feared in the beginning of the year.

If we are down 2-1 going to a Game 4, my guess is Dave will go down with Kershaw on the mound on 3 days rest, not whoever we have as our #4 starter.

true, and Dave has some (Please Use More Appropriate Word) tendencies handling the rotation but this one I cannot fault him for. you lose the game 4 with #4 starter when you are down 2-1, you are gonna get fired no matter what. you lose with your best player on a short rest, you get the benefit of the doubt. that is just the way it is.

is it right? hell no. but again, it is what it is.

Quake Griffin · Post #1205 » by **Quake Griffin** » Sat Sep 16, 2017 12:48 pm

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Quake Griffin wrote:If we get a lead in this series in Washington, does anyone have a problem with throwing Walker out there for the 6th or 7th inning? I'm definitely more comfortable with Morrow sliding into that 8th inning role.

No, I don't really have a problem with Buehler in the 6th or 7th inning unless there're runners on base. Despite his numbers, he looks effective out there and should get better as he gains more experience. However, he seems to lack the ability to hold baserunners on, which we can't afford to have in tight games. His limited usage should also be an advantage since opposing teams will have a more limited scouting report on him until they're exposed to him more.

Morrow should most definitely be the set-up man for Jansen. Our bullpen looks pretty good now with Cingrani and Watson also options leading up to Morrow. Just pray that Roberts doesn't fool around with Baez in high-leverage situations in the postseason.

How many relievers are actually holding runners when they even try to do so?

They nearly all suck at it.

My guess is it's something he's working on since his long term projection is a starter and Rick probably told him not to worry about it at this level so he can just focus on spinning the ball up there.

Just a guess though.

And yes, pray that Roberts doesnt use Baez...and pray Baez doesnt string together good outings so Dave believes in the "fools gold."

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Quake Griffin · Post #1206 » by **Quake Griffin** » Sat Sep 16, 2017 12:53 pm

Nice to see Austin take over at 2B in the 8th. Let's me know we have not forgot that we can feature him there.

We have any explanation for Joc being put in LF lately? He's no longer a good CF? I feel like he's getting traded this winter.

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Quake Griffin · Post #1207 » by **Quake Griffin** » Sat Sep 16, 2017 3:10 pm

Alex Verdugo oversleeps and shows up late to something.

Unsettling somewhat given he had issues at the draft. Doubt he makes the postseason roster.

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Ranma · Post #1208 » by **Ranma** » Sat Sep 16, 2017 6:18 pm

Quake Griffin wrote:How many relievers are actually holding runners when they even try to do so?

They nearly all suck at it.

My guess is it's something he's working on since his long term projection is a starter and Rick probably told him not to worry about it at this level so he can just focus on spinning the ball up there.

Just a guess though.

And yes, pray that Roberts doesnt use Baez...and pray Baez doesnt string together good outings so Dave believes in the "fools gold."

The thing is that, like you said, he is a starting pitcher in the minors who is in a relief role in the majors for now, so he should know better and have some semblance of an ability to hold runners on. Yes, relievers tend not to be good at holding runners on, but they at least pay attention to them. You're probably right about Honeycutt telling him to focus just on the batter given the situation of being up by so many runs, but I want to see him display awareness and skill in that regard before I feel totally comfortable with him as a relief option. After all, he could be called into action in high-leverage situations.

I don't mind giving Baez opportunities to pitch, but right now, he's a better low-leverage option. Continuing to push him into high-leverage situations without regard to his production would be detrimental to both him and the team. He and Stewart did fine last night with a big lead but I wouldn't want either of them used in tight games right now.

Ranma · Post #1209 » by **Ranma** » Sat Sep 16, 2017 6:33 pm

I'm glad to see Barnes out there today but why is he batting 7th behind Granderson, especially since he hits right-handed pitching better than left-handers? Roberts continued insistence to give Granderson undeserved preferential treatment is annoying. I prefer Ethier over Granderson at this point, which says something given my general preference for Curtis over Andre.

Neddy · Post #1210 » by **Neddy** » Sat Sep 16, 2017 6:37 pm

Ranma wrote:I'm glad to see Barnes out there today but why is he batting 7th behind Granderson, especially since he hits right-handed pitching better than left-handers? Roberts continued insistence to give Granderson undeserved preferential treatment is annoying. I prefer Ethier over Granderson at this point, which says something given my general preference for Curtis over Andre.

guess both "Doc"s in LA have some fetish with veterans over rookies.

Neddy · Post #1211 » by **Neddy** » Sat Sep 16, 2017 6:39 pm

and by the way, what the announcer had said during this half of inning about Bellinger having HR/11.5 at bats, wow. just wow. that is near Barry Bonds' single season HR record days.

Neddy · Post #1212 » by **Neddy** » Sat Sep 16, 2017 6:49 pm

jesus, does Cole have any freaking control? he isn't beaning our guys with purpose, but it doesn't make them any less dangerous.

Ranma · Post #1213 » by **Ranma** » Sat Sep 16, 2017 6:53 pm

Quake Griffin wrote:Alex Verdugo oversleeps and shows up late to something.

Unsettling somewhat given he had issues at the draft. Doubt he makes the postseason roster.

The kid really isn't ready, anyway. His defense in the outfield still needs work but I haven't seen enough of his at-bats to make a call on his offense.

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Neddy · Post #1214 » by **Neddy** » Sat Sep 16, 2017 6:57 pm

Ranma wrote:
Quake Griffin wrote:Alex Verdugo oversleeps and shows up late to something.

Unsettling somewhat given he had issues at the draft. Doubt he makes the postseason roster.

The kid really isn't ready, anyway. His defense in the outfield still needs work but I haven't seen enough of his at-bats to make a call on his offense.

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the kid is ready with his bat tho. he can hit. everything else, I dunno.

Neddy · Post #1215 » by **Neddy** » Sat Sep 16, 2017 6:58 pm

but at the same time, he isn't as ready as Willie was with his bat. young Mr. Calhoun is a top notch prospect in terms of his offensive skills in the batter's box.

Ranma · Post #1216 » by **Ranma** » Sat Sep 16, 2017 7:09 pm

Neddy wrote:but at the same time, he isn't as ready as Willie was with his bat. young Mr. Calhoun is a top notch prospect in terms of his offensive skills in the batter's box.

One of the reasons I view Calhoun and Verdugo similarly as trade assets for the Dodgers is because of lacking defense at their respective positions. I was never sold on Verdugo in CF but his arm would make him a solid RF option. However, his defense,
particularly with regard to his lack of foot speed, looks even worse than I anticipated. If he doesn't get good reads on a ball, it is at risk of being an extra-base hit for the opposition. Yes, it's a limited sample size from a rookie but I'm far from impressed.

Pederson has better speed and reads fly balls better. Verdugo certainly has the better eye and bat at the plate, but Joc has way more power. While Joc's constant tinkering with his batting approach is disconcerting, he has less concerns about his attitude and professionalism than Verdugo.

Quake Griffin · Post #1217 » by **Quake Griffin** » Sat Sep 16, 2017 7:10 pm

Morrow up in the pen but it's the top of the 7th.

I'd likevto see him in the 8th.
Let's see what Dave does.

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Neddy · Post #1218 » by **Neddy** » Sat Sep 16, 2017 7:21 pm

Ranma wrote:
Neddy wrote:but at the same time, he isn't as ready as Willie was with his bat. young Mr. Calhoun is a top notch prospect in terms of his offensive skills in the batter's box.

One of the reasons I view Calhoun and Verdugo similarly as trade assets for the Dodgers is because of lacking defense at their respective positions. I was never sold on Verdugo in CF but his arm would make him a solid RF option. However, his defense,
particularly with regard to his lack of foot speed, looks even worse than I anticipated. If he doesn't get good reads on a ball, it is at risk of being an extra-base hit for the opposition. Yes, it's a limited sample size from a rookie but I'm far from impressed.

Pederson has better speed and reads fly balls better. Verdugo certainly has the better eye and bat at the plate, but Joc has way more power. While Joc's constant tinkering with his batting approach is disconcerting, he has less concerns about his attitude and professionalism than Verdugo.

I don't know if Joc has much future with us anymore tho. this is his 3rd season. he will be arbitration eligible with one all star appearance under his belt. but he is hitting just around the Mendoza line for his career now. his first half of season in his rookie year was a total fluke at this point. his defense also, isn't above average as a center fielder. I have been very disappointed with his supposed superior defense right now.

Alex may not be the answer in the center, and I never thought he was anyway. even without Joc or Alex tho, we still have **** and Taylor who can play just as good CF defense. I just hope we don't resign Granderson to play CF next season.

Ranma · Post #1219 » by **Ranma** » Sat Sep 16, 2017 7:22 pm

Quake Griffin wrote:We have any explanation for Joc being put in LF lately? He's no longer a good CF? I feel like he's getting traded this winter.

Did I miss something? Joc was listed in CF for today's game with Granderson in LF. I still think Pederson is a fine center fielder, but I never thought he was the perfect solution at that position. When we drafted Jeren Kendall, I actually viewed both of them to be on the same level right now in terms of production, especially given Joc's struggles to find consistency at the plate. The difference is that Kendall has so much more upside than Joc right now despite Joc's big advantage in power. Kendall certainly has him beat in the speed department, plus, he sports a better arm in the outfield to boot.

I'd rather not trade Joc when his value is at a low point, but it may be better to cut bait on him before it diminishes precipitously even further. It will depend on what we can get in return for Joc before I can get onboard with trading him away.

With Bellinger and Taylor options in CF, it does make Pederson more expendable but I'd rather have those two players at other positions. I don't want to give up on Pederson just yet. I want to give Turner Ward more time to work with him as his pet project much like he's done with Puig, but I do agree that Pederson's days with the Dodgers look to be numbered.

Ranma · Post #1220 » by **Ranma** » Sat Sep 16, 2017 7:33 pm

Neddy wrote:Alex may not be the answer in the center, and I never thought he was anyway. even without Joc or Alex tho, we still have **** and Taylor who can play just as good CF defense. I just hope we don't resign Granderson to play CF next season.

I forgot about ****. He would actually be a good option in CF now given his improvements on defense and his cannon for an arm. However, ****'s split against right and left-handers still relegates him to a platoon level player. I'd rather see **** and Joc as platoon options in CF as well as other positions.

Granderson should not be in CF unless it's an emergency. I normally wouldn't mind bringing Granderson back for next season to serve a similar role as Chase Utley, but given Roberts' usage of him, it would be better to take that bullet away from him at this point rather than continue to shoot ourselves in the foot.