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Re: Knicks sign Hardaway 

Post#1201 » by AmazingJason » Fri Jul 7, 2017 5:41 am

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Look around the league.

They would've been better off giving JJ Reddick 2 yrs, or giving him a lot for one, if they wanted a SG


JJ doesn't make sense. Tim is 25 and hasn't reached his prime yet. He's young and athletic and could fit in Hornacek's offense.


Is Hornacek even going to be around in the long-term. He'll probably be fired after we bring in a new President or perhaps be given one year before we look for a new coach.

I mean, if we were getting guys to fit in Jeff's offense, then it would have made a lot more sense to draft Dennis Smith Jr. instead of Frank. Because Jeff's offense is basically nothing without any PGs.
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Re: Knicks sign Hardaway 

Post#1202 » by YaMomsEx » Fri Jul 7, 2017 5:42 am

This is the same group of fans that was mad we passed on Mike Muscala, Isiah Canaan, Nate Wolters, Tony Mitchell & the great Ricky Ledo....... Y'all just as bad as the knicks front office but you know it all
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Post#1203 » by Iron Mantis » Fri Jul 7, 2017 5:42 am

DrCoach wrote:Hardaway had a PER of 3.8 in the playoff...3.8

Don't matter. Knicks won't be in the playoffs during his contract.

He will keep the fans entertained while the tanking & rebuilding process is underway for the next few years.
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Re: Knicks sign Hardaway 

Post#1204 » by N8isScofield » Fri Jul 7, 2017 5:42 am

How the f*ck did Mills get into Princeton? HOW? WTF.
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Post#1205 » by taj2133 » Fri Jul 7, 2017 5:43 am

derek fisher slept with hardaway is girlfriend that is why he got trade away to hawks
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Re: Knicks sign Hardaway 

Post#1207 » by AmazingJason » Fri Jul 7, 2017 5:45 am

taj2133 wrote:derek fisher slept with hardaway is girlfriend that is why he got trade away to hawks


“Correct me if I’m wrong, Kevin [Arnovitz], but Tim Hardaway Jr. had to go on the record to discuss whether he and Derek Fisher were involved with the same woman. I’m fairly certain he had to go on the record and said he had to deal with that. So it wasn’t just Matt Barnes.”

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Re: Knicks sign Hardaway 

Post#1208 » by Jellybeans » Fri Jul 7, 2017 5:45 am

Tim and Melo where BFF's..So Melo stays in NY..:D
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Re: Knicks sign Hardaway 

Post#1209 » by ctorres » Fri Jul 7, 2017 5:46 am

We are not necessarily paying THjr for the player he is right now.

We are paying THjr for the player he is projected to become over the course of the next 4 seasons.
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Re: Knicks sign Hardaway 

Post#1210 » by Clyde Frazier » Fri Jul 7, 2017 5:47 am

YaMomsEx wrote:This is the same group of fans that was mad we passed on Mike Muscala, Isiah Canaan, Nate Wolters, Tony Mitchell & the great Ricky Ledo....... Y'all just as bad as the knicks front office but you know it all


We wouldn't have been signing those guys to $71 mil offer sheets, tho...
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Re: Knicks sign Hardaway 

Post#1211 » by whocares1 » Fri Jul 7, 2017 5:47 am

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whocares1 wrote:
Yankeeknickfan wrote:They would've been better off giving JJ Reddick 2 yrs, or giving him a lot for one, if they wanted a SG


JJ doesn't make sense. Tim is 25 and hasn't reached his prime yet. He's young and athletic and could fit in Hornacek's offense.


Is Hornacek even going to be around in the long-term. He'll probably be fired after we bring in a new President or perhaps be given one year before we look for a new coach.

I mean, if we were getting guys to fit in Jeff's offense, then it would have made a lot more sense to draft Dennis Smith Jr. instead of Frank. Because Jeff's offense is basically nothing without any PGs.


Let's be honest though clearly the Knicks aren't that interested in finding a new president or they wouldn't have allowed Mills to bring in a big contract like that. They seem content with the brain trust currently in place and it appears as if Steve and Jeff get along. They would've drafted Smith or Monk if Phil wasn't the acting president so I'm not sure why you brought that up. Knicks seem to think Frank is a lead guard all the way and he has range on his shot so he's not a bad fit in Hornacek's offense either.
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Re: Knicks sign Hardaway 

Post#1212 » by Zerostatic » Fri Jul 7, 2017 5:48 am

A couple of thoughts:

1. The only free agents I want are either young guys with potential (25 is actually my cut off for this so Hardaway fits) or cheap experienced vets who can serve as mentors and promote a good culture. So this signing fullfills my criteria for the type of player I want.

2. This is a definite overpay... sorta. Please don't compare this to contracts signed last offseason (those were all inflated) or 1 year deals this year. However he is a restricted free agent so that is the only way to get the guy. If we offered him his market value (4 years 50 million) with no trade bonuses or player options, then Atlanta matches easily. I mean just go to their board, it was quite clear that their fans would've wanted a match on anything in the range of 4 year 50 million.

3. While I was super pumped watching Dotson today in summer league and am looking forward to see what kind of player he is. Let's be real here. If Dotson was a first team all-rookie selection we've be jumping for joy. You know who was first team all-rookie? Tim Hardaway Jr! And it's not like it was some fluke rookie season, THJ played his best ball last season.

4. The latest rumored Melo trade would fit in perfectly with this signing. It is a a 3 way with Melo going to Houston, Ryan Anderson going to Portland, and Mo Harkless and Myers Leonard coming to New York. Mo Harkless and Myers Leonard like Hardaway are young guys who are 25 or younger and who have shown some potential. Even if they're never anything more than role players they are solid and have probably not hit hit their peaks (which usually occurs around 27 or 28). It would be nice to have guys who actually improve and have their best years with us rather than have them fall apart under us.

5. If Melo & Lee get traded, I can definitely see Hardaway putting up numbers similar to his 2nd half of the season with the Hawks. Perhaps slightly more scoring on slightly lower shooting percentages. He posted his improved numbers playing with Millsap, Schroder, Dwight Howard, and Kent Bazemore. Without Melo here, I'd say his role will probably be a bit larger (depending on who else signs).

6. As for wasting our cap space. I am done entertaining fantasies of having a ton of cap room and having a bunch of superstars sign here. So many teams have this fantasy every off season and then end up disappointed. We have destroyed any appeal for a veteran superstar to sign here. Not competitive, not up and coming, ruthless media coverage etc. We need to build through the draft and go after young guys who are still proving themselves.

Bottomline, if someone asked me earlier today if we should do this signing, I'd say no. I'd have gone with even cheaper guys and I would have used the cap space to take on salary dumps that are packaged with draft picks or cheap young player (like the Nets getting Russell for taking on Mosgov). However while there is definite potential (and in fact I'd say probable) that THJ's contract will become burdensome, there are also some positives in both THJ's growth as a player and future potential and also in that I don't see this as a departure from the go young and rebuild movement. At least with young guys like THJ there is always hope that they'll develop into something good.

Now, if we trade for 29 year old overpaid Ryan Anderson or trade any 1st round draft packs then I'd be singing a different story.
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Re: Knicks sign Hardaway 

Post#1213 » by Dr. Detfink » Fri Jul 7, 2017 5:48 am

AmazingJason made an excellent point.

I guess, the Knicks are STILL going ahead with the quasi-triangle because DJ Jazzy Jeff's offense needed 3 of the best point guards/playmakers: Bledsoe, Thomas, Dragic in order to work.

As it stands, the Knicks have Baker, Nicotine, and Lee as "possible" starting point guards?
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Re: Knicks sign Hardaway 

Post#1214 » by Icandoallthings » Fri Jul 7, 2017 5:49 am

N8isScofield wrote:How the f*ck did Mills get into Princeton? HOW? WTF.


Phil Jackson Golden parachute. Do something so stupid and pointless that it forces Dolan's hand.Next week we listening to offers for Willy.
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Re: Knicks sign Hardaway 

Post#1215 » by malik959 » Fri Jul 7, 2017 5:50 am

I've always liked THJ and had a deep down feeling he was coming back, as far as the signing I can actually say that I'm not upset about it. I mean Otto Porter is getting 100?????? Rudy Gay with the injury 17 per, James Johnson 60 mil, and Kelly Olynyk 50. 60mil is really becoming the norm an 70 was made to so that ATL would not put up a fight. Now I must say that THJ really became an important piece in ATL when it came to winning and making it to the playoffs. His defense has greatly improved and he is a knock down shooter. I'd prefer him to Lee any day. Lee to me just goes with the flow of the game and doesn't demand anything, while THJ you really have to respect his shot or drive to the hoop. Good pick up, would have loved to have him for less, but then again ATL would quickly match. At this price (which has really become the average) we know ATL's cheap wallets will pass.
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Post#1216 » by MP4LIFE » Fri Jul 7, 2017 5:52 am

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Timmy got better. A lot better and he wasn't garbage here to begin with.

That's the thing when players get away from Carmelo they seem to actually look good.

He looked good here too.
Stop starting ****. FOH with the nonsense.


Stop starting everything altogether.

All you know how to do is stir the pot and insult people.

You troll almost 24/7 and offer nothing productive but 2 sentence posts about Melo or trolling other members of the forum.
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Post#1217 » by Clyde Frazier » Fri Jul 7, 2017 5:54 am

PSA: JUST BECAUSE YOU HAVE CAP SPACE DOESN'T MEAN YOU'RE REQUIRED TO USE IT. THERE ARE OTHER USES FOR CAP SPACE EVEN DURING THE REGULAR SEASON.
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Re: Knicks sign Hardaway 

Post#1218 » by sushibear » Fri Jul 7, 2017 5:54 am

:banghead: yooooo wtf 70mill? whatever happened to that SMFMB? Dude is a clown. I expected them to sign someone under 10mil. Even worse it's tim hardaway jr.

This smells like some bandaging attempt. I'm done.
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Post#1219 » by Marty McFly » Fri Jul 7, 2017 5:54 am

Icandoallthings wrote:
N8isScofield wrote:How the f*ck did Mills get into Princeton? HOW? WTF.


Phil Jackson Golden parachute. Do something so stupid and pointless that it forces Dolan's hand.Next week we listening to offers for Willy.

lol at blaming phil. we've been **** the bed before phil, shat in it with phil, and we will **** the bed after phil.
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Re: Knicks sign Hardaway 

Post#1220 » by DrCoach » Fri Jul 7, 2017 5:55 am

Iron Mantis wrote:
DrCoach wrote:Hardaway had a PER of 3.8 in the playoff...3.8

Don't matter. Knicks won't be in the playoffs during his contract.

He will keep the fans entertained while the tanking & rebuilding process is underway for the next few years.



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