NBA Trade Thread

[chefo]

The Bulls have an iron logic—we (our C) have problems scoring inside, we need more and better passers, and we suck at rebounding, especially on D. Hmm, if only I could get a player that would help ‘bigly’ with all three for a copy machine and a box of three-day old doughnuts... nah, something, something... whatever. Or perhaps, pairing a high scoring wing with a dominant big would be a good idea? Nah, I don’t think anybody EVER got anywhere trying that one.

[ChettheJet]

You don't not go after Drummond because of Carter. What does Carter do better than him? Nothing. He doesn't score better, he doesn't rebound better, he's not a better passer, he doesn't provide the blocks and steals that Drummond does. Drummond is top notch in rebounding and even assists from the Center position. What does WCJ do that's above average at the NBA level?

You wanna know one stat that WCJ trumps Drummond in? Missed games. WCJ, who's been in the league less than 2 years, has already missed more games in his career than Drummond has in his 8 years.

WCJ is vastly overrated by this F.O. he's an OK player, whos durability stinks. Hes gonna be like Dunn and Lauri, where his value depreciates as he gets closer to his rookie deal expiring

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You take Carter over a 2 year deal with Drummond because the $20M+ difference in salary can be spent on a pretty good player at the PG or SF.

I'm not a big Paxson supporter, but I don't find that much wrong with what he said at his presser about the Bulls not knowing what they have right now. They have been wracked by injuries this year. More so than most teams I'd say. Starting SF has played 6 games all year. Backup SF has been out a lot. Starting PF out 6 weeks. Starting center out 6 weeks. Key backup (Dunn) out for a long stretch. Backup C out for quite awhile. A lot of these guys you really don't know about. It would be dumb, IMO, to deal someone like Gafford or Hutch until we see what they can do. And the trade value of others, like Mark., is probably at an all time low. Smart GM's don't deal guys when their value bottoms out.

If we hadn't been hit so hard with injuries, I would guess we would be fighting for a playoff spot right now. Esp. if Porter hadn't gone down. I agree, they still don't have a star in the making anywhere on the team, but they weren't going to pick one up in a trade either. About the only player dealt that really would have helped us was Capela, but I think they are pretty set on Carter at this point, so that didn't make a ton of sense either.

Two things are very clear.

1. Boylen can’t coach. In game he is awful and has cost us plenty of games with no adjustments and awful rotations.

2. We need a PG if the current cast will work. I think Pax knew that and it’s why he wanted Collison in FA and Morant in the draft.

If we had an elite passing PG like CP3 our guys would look really good. We don’t so we see Zach learning the hard way and Coby showing no idea of what to do.

OK so I agree with Dresden. The 'next man up' rah rah crap just doesn't fly when you get on the court. If the guy coming off the bench is as good as the starter they would be splitting the 48 minutes. You construct a roster with the money you have to spend and if you're paying somebody more money to come off the bench than the starter, you've made a bad evaluation on one or both. Your bench is either backup quality or developing young guys. So when your starter at the SF goes down like Porter Hutchison doesn't instantly have what it takes because they introduce him in the darkness. When Hutchison goes down Shaq Harrison doesn't become a SF he just plays there. They might introduce Dunn as the SF but he isn't one either. And neither of them is a good shooter at the PG so they're worse as the SF. When Carter gets hurt you throw Gafford in there and hope he learns how to play with the first unit. When he gets hurt you call Felicio who you know darn well from practice hasn't made any progress that's why he's 4th string. When Markkanen gets hurt Young steps up and you see he's a capable starter but also why he's been coming off the bench for the last half of his career.

But all of that is just due to Boylen not knowing how to coach. And you know what you're also saying is his assistant coaches either hate his guts, are complete idiots or want to see him fail so they can take over when he's fired because otherwise they would sit down with him and say, Jim I think we need to try something else because this isn't working and you're my friend and I don't want you to look bad. Or do you think all the assistant coaches do is collect the balls at the end of practice?

[MrSparkle]

The Bulls have an iron logic—we (our C) have problems scoring inside, we need more and better passers, and we suck at rebounding, especially on D. Hmm, if only I could get a player that would help ‘bigly’ with all three for a copy machine and a box of three-day old doughnuts... nah, something, something... whatever. Or perhaps, pairing a high scoring wing with a dominant big would be a good idea? Nah, I don’t think anybody EVER got anywhere trying that one.

Committed to their picks. "Through thick and thin." Ironically a Krause era slogan, but really, much more appropriate for the Pax era.

It takes roughly 3.5 years for Paxson to own up one of his draft picks. He loves trading them at that last deadline before RFA status, or letting them walk, when he decides they're not worth keeping.

So we'll see what happens with Carter, but frankly I don't think he'd seriously pursue Embiid if Joel announced "I WANT TO BE A BULL" in July. Paxson would be like.. "Ok, we'll give you next year's 1st, top-10 protected, Carter, and you have to take Felicio. Might sweeten the pot with Arci." In his head, he has WCJ - the Bulls center for the next 12 years.

Aw well. One thing's for sure. Collins and Capela are going to own our "cornerstone" big men on the glass (and probably PPG) for the next 3 years. Too bad their starting guard is capable of scoring and assisting better than our entire guard rotation combined.

[micromonkey]

Happy for wiggins. I think we should see the best version of him (whatever that may be) with the dubs.

[Dan Z]

Happy for wiggins. I think we should see the best version of him (whatever that may be) with the dubs.

I'm interested to see how he does. Many people ripped on him and I get it. He put up stats but that's about it.

But he's in a good spot right now and will be the third option. Maybe a change of scenery is what he needed?

[BullChit]

Correct me if I'm wrong but the Otto trade had an effect on our win-loss record ultimately costing us in the Draft.

If I am not wrong then the Otto trade was a bad move... If I am wrong disregard this post.

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A negative effect like Niko had.

The way the draft changes, Otto had no effect on our draft odds, that was Niko

Cheers! I knew I was correct somehow someway...

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[PrimzyBulls81]

Bucks adding Marvin Williams to the mix! Another great piece for title run.. If they dont come out of East this season, they never will. Despite Boston, Toronto and Miami being tough. Im not counting much on Philly, they look like a mess even within not just outside.

[Chi town]

Bucks adding Marvin Williams to the mix! Another great piece for title run.. If they dont come out of East this season, they never will. Despite Boston, Toronto and Miami being tough. Im not counting much on Philly, they look like a mess even within not just outside.

Bucks are the fav to win it all IMO. I think they are better than the Clippers too.

Tor, BOS, Heat, Pacers, Sixers in that order after them.

[StunnerKO]

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[MeloRoseNoah]

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John Paxson: Hold my coffee. I will get right on with that. He was the #4 pick in the 2016 draft, and our evaluation of as a prospect remains unchanged. He's a superstar talent that needs the right environment to blossom.

[wolffy]

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absolute joke franchise. zero reason to follow this team until meaningful changes are made at the top

Its a shocking mindset from Pax. ...until you remember that if he knew what a good roster looked like we wouldn't be in the situation we are now. Hes proven he cant evaluate talent or coaching. This is a glimpse into the mind of a failure gm.

[MeloRoseNoah]

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absolute joke franchise. zero reason to follow this team until meaningful changes are made at the top

Its a shocking mindset from Pax. ...until you remember that if he knew what a good roster looked like we wouldn't be in the situation we are now. Hes proven he cant evaluate talent or coaching. This is a glimpse into the mind of a failure gm.

His biggest accomplishment is bringing in a bunch of PER 15 bums like Hinrich Deng Gordon and Nocioni for a round 1 playoff exit. The difference was that he had a real coach back then.

But Bum Ass Paxson doesn’t believe in NBA coaching. Talent trumps all and it will be built and gathered thanks to him. Now, he has been exposed as a trash player and talent evaluator at all levels who was lucky enough to ride of the coattails of MJ and Thibs.

Cut this tool 10 mil annual salary down to $1 until the team makes the playoff. If not, GTFO.

[holv03]

Dragan Bender would be a good addition to this team. He is only 22 years old and maybe some playing time could help him develop into a better player.

[DASMACKDOWN]

Lets face it, Paxson has been in his position too long to even be inventive.

Its not like Paxson was some GM genius who led us to championships. He isn't a standard bearer like Riley who has a set culture around the organization. He isn't Ainge where he has wheeled and dealed into great teams.

He is the 3rd longest current tenured front office and the only one in the top 5 longest that hasn't won a title.

That's 17 long years of job security.

The Bulls are actually going through changes even as a franchise. By next season, a new in house announcer. We will have a new announce team replacing Neil Funk. All we need is a new coach and front office to usher in the next decade of Bulls basketball

[MrSparkle]

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absolute joke franchise. zero reason to follow this team until meaningful changes are made at the top

Its a shocking mindset from Pax. ...until you remember that if he knew what a good roster looked like we wouldn't be in the situation we are now. Hes proven he cant evaluate talent or coaching. This is a glimpse into the mind of a failure gm.

One thing I genuinely disagree with is the idea of locking yourself into the 'buyer' or 'seller' mentality. So much for flexibility.

If Otto Porter could've gotten Drummond or Capela done (in a 3-way obviously), that should've been something considered.

[sco]

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absolute joke franchise. zero reason to follow this team until meaningful changes are made at the top

Its a shocking mindset from Pax. ...until you remember that if he knew what a good roster looked like we wouldn't be in the situation we are now. Hes proven he cant evaluate talent or coaching. This is a glimpse into the mind of a failure gm.

One thing I genuinely disagree with is the idea of locking yourself into the 'buyer' or 'seller' mentality. So much for flexibility.

If Otto Porter could've gotten Drummond or Capela done (in a 3-way obviously), that should've been something considered.

Investing in C's when the league is about guards now, is a bad idea.

[MrSparkle]

Its a shocking mindset from Pax. ...until you remember that if he knew what a good roster looked like we wouldn't be in the situation we are now. Hes proven he cant evaluate talent or coaching. This is a glimpse into the mind of a failure gm.

One thing I genuinely disagree with is the idea of locking yourself into the 'buyer' or 'seller' mentality. So much for flexibility.

If Otto Porter could've gotten Drummond or Capela done (in a 3-way obviously), that should've been something considered.

Investing in C's when the league is about guards now, is a bad idea.

Well, you're investing out of a $27m injury reserve. I'm not saying to add FRPs, but Otto and sweetener like Valentine?

I've been 1000% against investing in centers since about 2008. But apples and oranges. An expiring Drummond is halfway worth the risk, you see how he fits. Capela's athleticism would actually allow Boylen to play his wild blitz defense, and he's not exactly an outrageous salary.

[rtblues]

Lets face it, Paxson has been in his position too long to even be inventive.

Its not like Paxson was some GM genius who led us to championships. He isn't a standard bearer like Riley who has a set culture around the organization. He isn't Ainge where he has wheeled and dealed into great teams.

He is the 3rd longest current tenured front office and the only one in the top 5 longest that hasn't won a title.

That's 17 long years of job security.

The Bulls are actually going through changes even as a franchise. By next season, a new in house announcer. We will have a new announce team replacing Neil Funk. All we need is a new coach and front office to usher in the next decade of Bulls basketball

THIS! +1,000,000
Sums it all up pretty perfectly.
As long as we're wishing and hoping, I'd like to add new ownership to the mix.

[Chicagoat]

Not sure about the price. But I want to trade for Langford.

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[PrimzyBulls81]

Not sure about the price. But I want to trade for Langford.

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Trade deadline is over..