Democratic Primary Thread: The Deuce

[GONYK]

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[Pointgod]

More updates from the 538. I find the path to victory and various tipping point states to be very informative. If Biden wins Florida I can’t see a realistic path to victory for Trump.

https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/2020-election-forecast/

[Clyde_Style]

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They will fail

And what I think these aholes may not appreciate yet is the blowback against them afterwards will put considerable wind into the sails of investigations and prosecutions

but we know why they don't care, because they can't afford to lose. Prison is inevitable for Trump and many of his cronies so even if they fail miserably to steal the election they probably feel they have no other option

So, here we are. We know they are criminals. They know we know they are criminals. So they are going to commit crimes until they can't any longer

[Clyde_Style]

More updates from the 538. I find the path to victory and various tipping point states to be very informative. If Biden wins Florida I can’t see a realistic path to victory for Trump.

https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/2020-election-forecast/

I'm casting my ballot in Florida at the polling station just to be 100% sure my vote is counted

[HarthorneWingo]

This is why you don’t get in bed with these creeps.

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[HarthorneWingo]

ya'll are gonna be so sad when they coronate harris and cuomo

Cuomo's character is questionable. One, he initiated an special investigation into corruption but when the investigator honed in on Cuomo, he shut it down. Two, it appears that his office is under-reporting the nursing home deaths in NYS.

But, Remi is correct, if not Cuomo then it will be Mayor Pete or Beto. The lines have been drawn!

You guys are projecting your gripes into the future. Not even Knickstradamus has a damn clue what the Harris ticket will be in four years. The auditions for the comedy show Saul Alinsky's Paranoia Hour won't be held until January 2024 so you have time.

[thebuzzardman]

You know, I was really really against Trump being reelected, but I've changed my mind. It's the presidency the country deserves.

[Clyde_Style]

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Sam Seder looks stupid if they are quoting that as proof that political consultants are signing off on a GOP agenda to privatize the USPS. They were affirming the need to deliver ballots by any means necessary if Trump gums up the works.

This is you at your trolling worst Wingo, because you posted a tweet that made it look like the Lincoln Project was giving a thumbs up to Sam Seder's tweet which either you know is a lie and you don't care or you just crapped the bed again by not digging past your first impression of something you came across. Either stop being so dishonest or stop being so lazy, pick one.

Lincoln Project was responding to this tweet:

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[HarthorneWingo]

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Sam Seder looks stupid if they are quoting that as proof that political consultants are signing off on a GOP agenda to privatize the USPS. They were affirming the need to deliver ballots by any means necessary if Trump gums up the works.

This is you at your trolling worst Wingo, because you posted a tweet that made it look like the Lincoln Project was giving a thumbs up to Sam Seder's tweet which either you know is a lie and you don't care or you just crapped the bed again by not digging past your first impression of something you came across. Either stop being so dishonest or stop being so lazy, pick one.

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Oh okay. Sure.

You’re very naive. Here, watch this. Maybe you’ll learn something.

[Clyde_Style]

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Sam Seder looks stupid if they are quoting that as proof that political consultants are signing off on a GOP agenda to privatize the USPS. They were affirming the need to deliver ballots by any means necessary if Trump gums up the works.

This is you at your trolling worst Wingo, because you posted a tweet that made it look like the Lincoln Project was giving a thumbs up to Sam Seder's tweet which either you know is a lie and you don't care or you just crapped the bed again by not digging past your first impression of something you came across. Either stop being so dishonest or stop being so lazy, pick one.

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Oh okay. Sure.

You’re very naive. Here, watch this. Maybe you’ll learn something.

Be a child then Wingo

[GONYK]

That's a tremendously bad take from Seder.

[HarthorneWingo]

That's a tremendously bad take from Seder.

I'm shocked you would say such a thing.

[GONYK]

That's a tremendously bad take from Seder.

I'm shocked you would say such a thing.

You shouldn't be. I abhor stupidity

The private companies taking on the slack would pretty much cripple Trump's effort to subvert the election.

It's a great idea, and it doesn't stop anyone from finding the UDPS either.

Sorry if I value that over whatever stupid principle Seder is trying to stand on (which literally has nothing to do with the Lincoln Project or its founders)

[HarthorneWingo]

That's a tremendously bad take from Seder.

I'm shocked you would say such a thing.

You shouldn't be. I abhor stupidity

The private companies taking on the slack would pretty much cripple Trump's effort to subvert the election.

It's a great idea, and it doesn't stop anyone from finding the UDPS either.

Sorry if I value that over whatever stupid principle Seder is trying to stand on (which literally has nothing to do with the Lincoln Project or its founders)

Or the Christian Science Monitor.

https://www.csmonitor.com/1995/0207/07014.html

Or The Atlantic?

https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2020/04/why-postal-service-worth-saving/610672/

Or the LA Times

https://www.latimes.com/business/story/2020-08-10/postal-service-attack-endangers-democracy

Or many other news outlets and people educated on the subject. I have no obligation to provide you with a compendium of sources. Like I should dance for you?

You're a republican lite. So we will never agree on this stuff. You perpetually capitulation to moderate conservatism. That's not the direction that the country is going in. We've been there, done that. It's the reason which created the conditions for Trump to become President. Your view on his is both short-sided and naive, just like Clyde's.

[GONYK]

I'm shocked you would say such a thing.

You shouldn't be. I abhor stupidity

The private companies taking on the slack would pretty much cripple Trump's effort to subvert the election.

It's a great idea, and it doesn't stop anyone from finding the UDPS either.

Sorry if I value that over whatever stupid principle Seder is trying to stand on (which literally has nothing to do with the Lincoln Project or its founders)

Or the Christian Science Monitor.

https://www.csmonitor.com/1995/0207/07014.html

Or The Atlantic?

https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2020/04/why-postal-service-worth-saving/610672/

Or the LA Times

https://www.latimes.com/business/story/2020-08-10/postal-service-attack-endangers-democracy

Or many other news outlets and people educated on the subject. I have no obligation to provide you with a compendium of sources. Like I should dance for you?

You're a republican lite. So we will never agree on this stuff. You perpetual capitulation to moderate conservatism and that's to the direction that the country is going in. Been there, done that. It's the reason which created the conditions for Trump to become President. Your view on his is both short-sided and naive, just like Clyde's.

The only view I expressed is that Sam Seder's tweet is stupid and that Fed Ex delivering ballots would sink Trump.

I didn't ask for whatever bullsh*t you linked to, since I never said anything that says I want to Post Office defunded.

I'm the one who posted about Trump's Post office shenanigans first and I'm the one who has posted about it most often.

Go to sleep. You're so tired that you seem the think winning an election is a Republican position.

[HarthorneWingo]

You shouldn't be. I abhor stupidity

The private companies taking on the slack would pretty much cripple Trump's effort to subvert the election.

It's a great idea, and it doesn't stop anyone from finding the UDPS either.

Sorry if I value that over whatever stupid principle Seder is trying to stand on (which literally has nothing to do with the Lincoln Project or its founders)

Or the Christian Science Monitor.

https://www.csmonitor.com/1995/0207/07014.html

Or The Atlantic?

https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2020/04/why-postal-service-worth-saving/610672/

Or the LA Times

https://www.latimes.com/business/story/2020-08-10/postal-service-attack-endangers-democracy

Or many other news outlets and people educated on the subject. I have no obligation to provide you with a compendium of sources. Like I should dance for you?

You're a republican lite. So we will never agree on this stuff. You perpetual capitulation to moderate conservatism and that's to the direction that the country is going in. Been there, done that. It's the reason which created the conditions for Trump to become President. Your view on his is both short-sided and naive, just like Clyde's.

The only view I expressed is that Sam Seder's tweet is stupid and that Fed Ex delivering ballots would sink Trump.

I didn't ask for whatever bullsh*t you linked to, since I never said anything that says I want to Post Office defunded.

I'm the one who posted about Trump's Post office shenanigans first and I'm the one who has posted about it most often.

Go to sleep. You're so tired that you seem the think winning an election is a Republican position.

I'm up for another 3 hours, pal. It's not near by bedtime. Maybe you should take some of your own advice.

P.S.

Nancy Pelosi needed to get home to savor each of many different types of chocolate ice cream as opposed to impeaching DeJoy and fighting for one of our most sacred and important - essential - institutions, the USPS. This is the first step to accomplishing that and you would simply play into that trap. Besides UPS and FedEx don't service the rural areas in the U.S.

https://slate.com/news-and-politics/2020/08/louis-dejoy-usps-democrats-trump-voting.html

It’s Crisis Time Again. Where Are the Democrats?
By TOM SCOCCA
AUG 13, 20204:41 PM

The president of the United States declared this morning, building on a theme he’s been developing for a while, that he wants to withhold funds from the United States Postal Service because he hopes to make it impossible for people to vote by mail on a large scale. Both parts of this scheme have reached a crisis point: Basic mail delivery, a service that the entire everyday life of the country depends on, is falling apart; the November election, only 82 days away and mired in logistical chaos about the elementary questions of how and where and when people will vote, is at risk of doing the same.

So the House of Representatives—the one part of the federal government currently controlled by the opposition party—has announced that it plans to bring in the president’s newly installed postmaster general, Louis DeJoy, to explain the changes he’s making. The hearing is scheduled for Sept. 17.

Sept. 17 is five full weeks from now. Nearly half the margin of time between now and Election Day will have been lost by then.

But the House can’t do anything about the open sabotage of the Postal Service any sooner than that, because the House is away. It has left for August recess—having failed to find its way past the Senate Republicans’ obstruction of a new pandemic relief bill—and doesn’t plan to return till after Labor Day.

Why is the House not in emergency session? How bad would things have to be—beyond an uncontrolled disease outbreak, unprecedented mass unemployment, an impending nationwide eviction crisis, and an attack on the nation’s capacity to hold elections at all—for the members of Congress to decide that maybe they don’t need a vacation this year?

The House Democrats may disagree with Donald Trump about most principles of policy, ethics, and government. But they are, it turns out, in perfect alignment with the president’s central belief: The best way to deal with an unprecedented series of national emergencies is by hiding from them and pretending everything is basically normal.

If this were a slightly less comprehensively abnormal year, Democrats could at least make the case that they’re torn between their duties in the Capitol and the need to be back home, seeing and speaking to their constituents, as they campaign for reelection. But there is, as mentioned, an uncontrolled outbreak of infectious disease going on! They couldn’t go kiss babies and partake in butter-eating contests even if they wanted to! Campaign events are remote and virtual. There’s nowhere else they need to be.

And even if they could campaign, none of that campaigning will matter in November if the polling places are in pandemic hot spots, if application forms for mail-in ballots have been left behind in bales on loading docks, and if states are too broke to afford DeJoy’s proposed more-than-doubling of the price of ballot postage. Congress’ decision to shut down for August is every bit as ridiculous a feat of magical thinking as Republican governors’ decisions to reopen bars were. Reality is going to keep happening, no matter how much they would prefer it didn’t.

But this is the culmination of the Democrats’ strategy and philosophy for the Trump era. Rather than investigating and impeaching the president for his first two years of crimes and abuses, they stalled, waiting for Robert Mueller to take care of the problem for them. When Mueller dodged the question, they kept on stalling; finally, when Trump got caught trying to extort Ukraine into attacking Joe Biden, they settled for a hasty, narrow, and doomed impeachment. As soon as that was over—with the president’s guilt clearly established and the Senate nakedly admitting it would protect him anyway—the House dropped oversight altogether.

So now it’s vacation time. From the moment this Congress was sworn in, the message from Democratic leadership has been the same: It’s really up to the voters to decide. This was always a dereliction of duty—the voters are supposed to be choosing their next president, not acting as a check on the things the previous president already did—but now it is an embarrassing and futile fantasy. August is not the time to hunker down and wait for the voters to decide. It’s the last remaining time to make sure voters can vote at all.

[Clyde_Style]

I'm shocked you would say such a thing.

You shouldn't be. I abhor stupidity

The private companies taking on the slack would pretty much cripple Trump's effort to subvert the election.

It's a great idea, and it doesn't stop anyone from finding the UDPS either.

Sorry if I value that over whatever stupid principle Seder is trying to stand on (which literally has nothing to do with the Lincoln Project or its founders)

Or the Christian Science Monitor.

https://www.csmonitor.com/1995/0207/07014.html

Or The Atlantic?

https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2020/04/why-postal-service-worth-saving/610672/

Or the LA Times

https://www.latimes.com/business/story/2020-08-10/postal-service-attack-endangers-democracy

Or many other news outlets and people educated on the subject. I have no obligation to provide you with a compendium of sources. Like I should dance for you?

You're a republican lite. So we will never agree on this stuff. You perpetually capitulation to moderate conservatism. That's not the direction that the country is going in. We've been there, done that. It's the reason which created the conditions for Trump to become President. Your view on his is both short-sided and naive, just like Clyde's.

So GONYK and I are short-sighted and naive, because according to you we are now Republicans who rejected your incredibly stupid Sam Seder post. You never admit when you make a mistake and instead you double down with additional lies and trolling.

[HarthorneWingo]

You shouldn't be. I abhor stupidity

The private companies taking on the slack would pretty much cripple Trump's effort to subvert the election.

It's a great idea, and it doesn't stop anyone from finding the UDPS either.

Sorry if I value that over whatever stupid principle Seder is trying to stand on (which literally has nothing to do with the Lincoln Project or its founders)

Or the Christian Science Monitor.

https://www.csmonitor.com/1995/0207/07014.html

Or The Atlantic?

https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2020/04/why-postal-service-worth-saving/610672/

Or the LA Times

https://www.latimes.com/business/story/2020-08-10/postal-service-attack-endangers-democracy

Or many other news outlets and people educated on the subject. I have no obligation to provide you with a compendium of sources. Like I should dance for you?

You're a republican lite. So we will never agree on this stuff. You perpetually capitulation to moderate conservatism. That's not the direction that the country is going in. We've been there, done that. It's the reason which created the conditions for Trump to become President. Your view on his is both short-sided and naive, just like Clyde's.

So GONYK and I are short-sighted and naive, because according to you we are now Republicans who rejected your incredibly stupid Sam Seder post. You never admit when you make a mistake and instead you double down with additional lies and trolling.

It would just like you to cherry pick one particular source when I listed many others. So why even discus this further? Perhaps you should read up on the issue and educate yourself before you take ill-conceived positions. I left a Slate article for GONYK on the House Democrats cluelessness, led by Pelosi. Maybe you should read it too.

[HarthorneWingo]

It's interesting that we've never discussed the candidates' respective positions on foreign policy. The Democratic Party in not "as one" on my such issues.Anyone feel particularly strongly about how the United States should conduct foreign polices in the hot spots of the world; China, South America, Russia, the Middle East, etc. It seems to the one thing that we haven't discussed here. Like a big pink elephant in the room.

[GONYK]

What is the House supposed to do about the Post Office, in terms of policy, if the Senate is in recess?

Pass something symbolic that won't be taken up until Labor day anyway, and that McConnell will never bring for a vote?

It's almost as if Slate just wrote something to be provocative, without actually caring about how our government works.