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Re: Trade Talk (Part Ten): Trade Deadline Edition
Posted: Mon Jun 20, 2022 9:19 pm
by SO_MONEY
fattymcgee wrote:SO_MONEY wrote:Wolveswin wrote:This. If Wolves are looking at centers, seems brass feel this way too.
One stop shopping:
Brogdon + Turner for Russell + Bolmaro + 1st
Turner | Towns | Reid
Towns | JV
JV or McDaniels | Edwards
Edwards | Beasley (6th man)
Brogdon | Beverley
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If you are going to bail out IND you should get incentive.
Bailing out Indiana??? They're giving up the better assets in this trade, I can't imagine them accepting that trade.
They get out of a long-term contract of an oft injured 30 y/o and a player who they will have to pay too much to keep. If they can find a team to help them all the power to them, but it shouldn't be us.
Re: Trade Talk (Part Ten): Trade Deadline Edition
Posted: Mon Jun 20, 2022 9:23 pm
by Battletrigger
In BR talks about Jerami Grant for Beasley, Reid and 40.
Count me in.
Re: Trade Talk (Part Ten): Trade Deadline Edition
Posted: Mon Jun 20, 2022 9:30 pm
by SO_MONEY
Battletrigger wrote:In BR talks about Jerami Grant for Beasley, Reid and 40.
Count me in.
Even if he doesn't re-sign I would do it. Probably can get close to this back in S&T.
Re: Trade Talk (Part Ten): Trade Deadline Edition
Posted: Mon Jun 20, 2022 9:31 pm
by moss_is_1
Battletrigger wrote:In BR talks about Jerami Grant for Beasley, Reid and 40.
Count me in.
Yeah at that price it's a no brainer for me.
Re: Trade Talk (Part Ten): Trade Deadline Edition
Posted: Mon Jun 20, 2022 9:39 pm
by minimus
Battletrigger wrote:In BR talks about Jerami Grant for Beasley, Reid and 40.
Count me in.
Interesting, but a bit too much to me. Beasley, Reid, #48 and #50
Re: Trade Talk (Part Ten): Trade Deadline Edition
Posted: Mon Jun 20, 2022 9:46 pm
by BlacJacMac
Battletrigger wrote:In BR talks about Jerami Grant for Beasley, Reid and 40.
Count me in.
I don't even like Grant and I'd do that.
Re: Trade Talk (Part Ten): Trade Deadline Edition
Posted: Mon Jun 20, 2022 9:59 pm
by Klomp
Battletrigger wrote:In BR talks about Jerami Grant for Beasley, Reid and 40.
Count me in.
There are no "talks abut." This is purely atrade made up by the writer. People need to stop passing off these types of pieces as legitimate rumors.
Re: Trade Talk (Part Ten): Trade Deadline Edition
Posted: Mon Jun 20, 2022 10:05 pm
by SO_MONEY
Klomp wrote:Battletrigger wrote:In BR talks about Jerami Grant for Beasley, Reid and 40.
Count me in.
There are no "talks abut." This is purely atrade made up by the writer. People need to stop passing off these types of pieces as legitimate rumors.
Who was passing it off as a legitimate rumor?
Re: Trade Talk (Part Ten): Trade Deadline Edition
Posted: Mon Jun 20, 2022 10:07 pm
by Klomp
SO_MONEY wrote:Klomp wrote:Battletrigger wrote:In BR talks about Jerami Grant for Beasley, Reid and 40.
Count me in.
There are no "talks abut." This is purely atrade made up by the writer. People need to stop passing off these types of pieces as legitimate rumors.
Who was passing it off as a legitimate rumor?
Saying there are "talks"
Re: Trade Talk (Part Ten): Trade Deadline Edition
Posted: Mon Jun 20, 2022 10:25 pm
by SO_MONEY
Klomp wrote:SO_MONEY wrote:Klomp wrote:There are no "talks abut." This is purely atrade made up by the writer. People need to stop passing off these types of pieces as legitimate rumors.
Who was passing it off as a legitimate rumor?
Saying there are "talks"
Ummm...
Maybe re-read what was written.
They said "BR talks" as in BR, said or wrote of...
It was a "talker" to add more confusion to it.
It was not framed as a real rumor.
Re: Trade Talk (Part Ten): Trade Deadline Edition
Posted: Mon Jun 20, 2022 11:06 pm
by KGdaBom
Klomp wrote:SO_MONEY wrote:Klomp wrote:There are no "talks abut." This is purely a trade made up by the writer. People need to stop passing off these types of pieces as legitimate rumors.
Who was passing it off as a legitimate rumor?
Saying there are "talks"
Sorry, but I'm LMAO. We discussed this last year. Legitimate rumors as opposed to illegitimate rumors. A rumor is a rumor. They don't mean anything. Yes I know some sources report rumors that happen more often than other sources. Is our interest in Capela a rumor or a bona fide fact? I'd like us to make it happen. With Capela if we didn't have to gut the roster we are a contender IMO.
Re: Trade Talk (Part Ten): Trade Deadline Edition
Posted: Mon Jun 20, 2022 11:21 pm
by Klomp
KGdaBom wrote:Sorry, but I'm LMAO. We discussed this last year. Legitimate rumors as opposed to illegitimate rumors. A rumor is a rumor. They don't mean anything. Yes I know some sources report rumors that happen more often than other sources. Is our interest in Capela a rumor or a bona fide fact? I'd like us to make it happen. With Capela if we didn't have to gut the roster we are a contender IMO.
Sorry, that's not going to fly with me. This is my industry. Sportswriters foster relationships all of the time. Deals talked about don't always happen, but that doesn't mean that talks didn't happen. These reports inform us on all sorts of things, from tendencies to philosophies.
What I'm saying here isn't that we're going to trade for Capela. I'm not saying we're not interested in Grant. I'm saying there is a key difference from a writer saying "here's what I'm hearing" and "here's what they should do." I don't take the latter very seriously, unless it was informed by the former. And while the specific Grant rumor we're discussing here is technically informed by a report that Grant is "widely expected to be on the move this summer", there is nothing that specifically has linked Grant and Minnesota yet, not to mention the proposed trade package in return. This is why I give this BR "talk" far less credence than the report about Capela.
Re: Trade Talk (Part Ten): Trade Deadline Edition
Posted: Mon Jun 20, 2022 11:22 pm
by Krapinsky
Trade 1: Danny Green, Thybulle + 23 for Beasley
Trade 2: Beverly, Bolmaro, +23 for Capela
Russell/JMac
Edwards/Nowell
Mcdaniels/Thybulle
Capela/Vanderbilt
KAT/Naz
Then at 19 I would take Chandler or Jaylen Williams to get another ball handler.
Re: Trade Talk (Part Ten): Trade Deadline Edition
Posted: Mon Jun 20, 2022 11:32 pm
by Neeva
I don’t think Capela is worth that.
Re: Trade Talk (Part Ten): Trade Deadline Edition
Posted: Mon Jun 20, 2022 11:42 pm
by shrink
I am realizing that after the last 15 years, I’ve developed a bias.
Over that time, almost any trade that has us sending away a good (not star) player for lesser stuff and a future pick always made my ears perk up. We weren’t a playoff team, we couldn’t draw talent in free agency, and many of our picks didn’t work out, so I liked any chance to get worse and pick up a future asset.
This is maybe the first year that has changed. Yes, we don’t have the talent yet to be a match for the top contenders, and we have just got a new GM who’s got a good record finding talent in the draft. However, we have some star talent on the team now. We have upside youth, many of whom should develop with age and good coaching, which we finally have.
I look at it this way. You can make a trade where you improve your current team, or you can make a trade where you increase the potential value of your players. They rarely coincide, and I always gravitated towards the latter. But this is a new dawn, and while we still need to develop, we also need to progress on the court now. It’s an exciting time, and my thinking needs to catch up!
Re: Trade Talk (Part Ten): Trade Deadline Edition
Posted: Tue Jun 21, 2022 12:21 am
by SO_MONEY
shrink wrote:I am realizing that after the last 15 years, I’ve developed a bias.
For the last 15 years, almost any trade that has us sending away a good (not star) player for lesser stuff and a future pick always made my ears perk up. We weren’t a playoff team, we couldn’t draw talent in free agency, and many of our picks didn’t work out, so I liked any chance to get worse and pick up a future asset.
This is maybe the first year that has changed. Yes, we don’t have the talent yet to be a match for the top contenders, and we have just got a new GM who’s got a good record finding talent in the draft. However, we have some star talent on the team now. We have upside youth, many of whom should develop with age and good coaching, which we finally have.
I look at it this way. You can make a trade where you improve your current team, or you can make a trade where you increase the potential value of your players. They rarely coincide, and I always gravitated towards the latter. But this is a new dawn, and while we still need to develop, we also need to progress on the court now. It’s an exciting time, and my thinking needs to catch up!
I think the biggest issue is we are still only a bubble playoff team, which unfortunately shouldn't typically be the starting point for this paradigm shift. More objectively we are maybe a year out, maybe more (worst case) depending on Towns. We still need to build around ANT and his timeline and let the rest sort itself out with a lean payroll. In any trade we first ought to hope for young talent and picks as the main store of value...so in years like next year when we have the space to add higher priced vets they can be integrated with a growing team, not one that is comprised with multiple philosophies and likely more prone to turnover.
Re: Trade Talk (Part Ten): Trade Deadline Edition
Posted: Tue Jun 21, 2022 12:48 am
by D1SGRUNTL3D
Norseman79 wrote:Out: Kat, Beasley
In: Capella, Collins, 3 1rsts? (Maybe two?)
Would you? Would the Hawks?
Lolol no
Re: Trade Talk (Part Ten): Trade Deadline Edition
Posted: Tue Jun 21, 2022 1:21 am
by Danimals
I’d like to see them split Dlo into 2 expiring vets that can still be in our top 9 rotation for next year. This helps us keep winning. Then we draft at 19 and continue to develop all of our young guys hoping some of them can step into the holes left as the vets expire. All while keeping max space open in a year.
Re: Trade Talk (Part Ten): Trade Deadline Edition
Posted: Tue Jun 21, 2022 2:37 am
by KGdaBom
Klomp wrote:KGdaBom wrote:Sorry, but I'm LMAO. We discussed this last year. Legitimate rumors as opposed to illegitimate rumors. A rumor is a rumor. They don't mean anything. Yes I know some sources report rumors that happen more often than other sources. Is our interest in Capela a rumor or a bona fide fact? I'd like us to make it happen. With Capela if we didn't have to gut the roster we are a contender IMO.
Sorry, that's not going to fly with me. This is my industry. Sportswriters foster relationships all of the time. Deals talked about don't always happen, but that doesn't mean that talks didn't happen. These reports inform us on all sorts of things, from tendencies to philosophies.
What I'm saying here isn't that we're going to trade for Capela. I'm not saying we're not interested in Grant. I'm saying there is a key difference from a writer saying "here's what I'm hearing" and "here's what they should do." I don't take the latter very seriously, unless it was informed by the former. And while the specific Grant rumor we're discussing here is technically informed by a report that Grant is "widely expected to be on the move this summer", there is nothing that specifically has linked Grant and Minnesota yet, not to mention the proposed trade package in return. This is why I give this BR "talk" far less credence than the report about Capela.
My point is if it's a rumor it's a rumor. If it's a fact it's a fact. Some rumors are more likely to happen than other rumors. However, there's no such thing as a fake rumor. It truly is a rumor. If we are in trade discussions with Atlanta for Capela than it isn't a rumor. If someone says I think the Wolves are talking deal for Capela with no backing it's a rumor.
Re: Trade Talk (Part Ten): Trade Deadline Edition
Posted: Tue Jun 21, 2022 2:41 am
by Klomp
KGdaBom wrote:My point is if it's a rumor it's a rumor. If it's a fact it's a fact. Some rumors are more likely to happen than other rumors. However, there's no such thing as a false rumor. That is just a rumor. If we are in trade discussions with Atlanta for Capela than it isn't a rumor. If someone says I think the Wolves are talking deal for Capela with no backing it's a rumor.
So every post in this thread is a rumor? No. This thread is no different than what was being thrown against the wall in that BR piece (the Grant trade). You may call it informed speculation, but it was speculation. Not a rumor.