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Posted: **Wed May 4, 2011 2:06 am**

I watched the replay a few more times. I guess you can argue that Pique nudged him down with his arm. Otherwise there really is no contact.

Posted: **Wed May 4, 2011 2:38 am**

I'm not sure what's worse: the legitimate theatrics some of the Barcelona players take part in, or the absurd hyperbole spouted by anti-Barca fans. At this point, I think some of you think Danny Alves has actually murdered an entire orphanage.

Posted: **Wed May 4, 2011 2:56 am**

OBF-MKE wrote:I'm not sure what's worse: the legitimate theatrics some of the Barcelona players take part in, or the absurd hyperbole spouted by anti-Barca fans. At this point, I think some of you think Danny Alves has actually murdered an entire orphanage.

Posted: **Wed May 4, 2011 2:56 am**

Lionel Messi wrote:I watched the replay a few more times. I guess you can argue that Pique nudged him down with his arm. Otherwise there really is no contact.

Yeah, that's a clear foul

Posted: **Wed May 4, 2011 3:20 am**

5DOM wrote:
Lionel Messi wrote:I watched the replay a few more times. I guess you can argue that Pique nudged him down with his arm. Otherwise there really is no contact.

Yeah, that's a clear foul

It really isn't. I thought you were an EPL fan, where it's no blood no foul :roll:

Posted: **Wed May 4, 2011 3:44 am**

5DOM wrote:
OBF-MKE wrote:I'm not sure what's worse: the legitimate theatrics some of the Barcelona players take part in, or the absurd hyperbole spouted by anti-Barca fans. At this point, I think some of you think Danny Alves has actually murdered an entire orphanage.

Posted: **Wed May 4, 2011 3:45 am**

How that's not a clear foul is beyond me. Actually no, you are a Barca fan.

Btw that would be a foul in England as well.

Posted: **Wed May 4, 2011 3:49 am**

It's kind of a weird play.

There is clear contact by Pique on Ronaldo, but he passed the ball off beforehand and the contact by Pique isn't egregious by any means. Probably a foul on its own merits due to impeding his path.

However, the contact by Pique leads to Ronaldo clipping Mascherano (who goes down like he's been shot). The clip by Ronadlo is a result of Pique's contact, so really in all fairness the play should be allowed to go on. It's techincally a foul on Ronaldo but he wasn't the one who was at fault for it, kind of like pushing an opposing player into your teammate for a foul in basketball. At the very least it should have been a free kick for Madrid.

However, if Ronaldo doesn't try to play act his end of it (he was fouled, but he tried to sell it to some extent), he doesn't clip Mascherano and Higuain may have beaten him to the ball anyways.

The moral? Stop **** diving everyone!

Posted: **Wed May 4, 2011 3:57 am**

Trilogy wrote:The moral? Stop **** diving everyone!

But I thought diving was allowed and actually encouraged in a CL game, or at least in Barcelona. Guys like Busquets, Pedro, Alves and Mascherano have been doing a good job with fantastic results. I was gonna say Ronaldo and Di Maria too but I guess the ref yesterday didn't like those two.

Posted: **Wed May 4, 2011 4:34 am**

5DOM wrote:
Trilogy wrote:The moral? Stop **** diving everyone!

But I thought diving was allowed and actually encouraged in a CL game, or at least in Barcelona. Guys like Busquets, Pedro, Alves and Mascherano have been doing a good job with fantastic results. I was gonna say Ronaldo and Di Maria too but I guess the ref yesterday didn't like those two.

It's a sad truth. As long as there is virtually no punishment for diving, it will continue to plague the game. Hell, you see similar things coming up in basketball now.

The problem is the lack of negative repercussions for an event. You may look like a total twat most of the time, but for the most part if you dive and are able to avoid doing to ones that are absurdly and obviously terrible, you won't get punished for it. You can dive/exaggerate contact several times with no whistle. But, the 1 time where you manage to fool the referee makes it all worth it.

We probably should start reviewing games after the fact and giving out match bans for it.

Barcelona is definitely the worst club team at it. It's a damn shame too because they play some absolutely brilliant football to watch outside of the diving/ref swaming/bitching crap they pull.

Posted: **Wed May 4, 2011 5:35 am**

I honestly don't remember a player I hated more than Mascherano even after leaving Liverpool.

Posted: **Wed May 4, 2011 9:51 am**

Trilogy wrote:It's kind of a weird play.

There is clear contact by Pique on Ronaldo, but he passed the ball off beforehand and the contact by Pique isn't egregious by any means. Probably a foul on its own merits due to impeding his path.

However, the contact by Pique leads to Ronaldo clipping Mascherano (who goes down like he's been shot). The clip by Ronadlo is a result of Pique's contact, so really in all fairness the play should be allowed to go on. It's techincally a foul on Ronaldo but he wasn't the one who was at fault for it, kind of like pushing an opposing player into your teammate for a foul in basketball. At the very least it should have been a free kick for Madrid.

However, if Ronaldo doesn't try to play act his end of it (he was fouled, but he tried to sell it to some extent), he doesn't clip Mascherano and Higuain may have beaten him to the ball anyways.

The moral? Stop **** diving everyone!

You can not allow a goal here because Ronaldo interfered with Mach's defense, but also you can't discredit the fact that Ronaldo did it unintentionally by being fouled, it should've been a free kick for Real.
I'm a Barca fan, and I am disgusted by Buskits, Musch's and Alves' diving, it really takes some of the fun out of watching the game, but when all Real does is go for the legs, and play dirty, Barca can either play like them or punish them by diving and sticking them with cards, I prefer what they are doing.
A lot of Barca hate going on in this thread, without mentioning the fact that both Pepe and Adebayor are practically wild animals on the field who do very little other than dangerously fouling, and Ramos and Caravalio are dirty players as well, if that's what you bringing to the table, acting and diving is only fair.

Posted: **Wed May 4, 2011 12:17 pm**

OBF-MKE wrote:I'm not sure what's worse: the legitimate theatrics some of the Barcelona players take part in, or the absurd hyperbole spouted by anti-Barca fans. At this point, I think some of you think Danny Alves has actually murdered an entire orphanage.

I don't think anyone has a massive problem with Alves as an individual - Pepe tried to block his clearance and his studs were up. Clearly a foul, clearly a yellow card, and probably very painful. It's the fact that he spun around and threw himself to the floor, and then rolled around a few times for effect. I don't know about any of you guys, but I've never felt the need to spend more effort when injured by rolling around on the floor. Meanwhile, all of his team-mates rushed to the referee to lobby him for punishment.

That's just reminiscent of an ugly culture beneath the surface of Barca's beautiful football. Like I said previously, I love watching them play. But if other teams want to get physical, then that's their prerogative. If they over-step the mark, let the referee do his job without being surrounded by players trying to influence his decision. You can't claim moral high ground when your own actions are just another method of bringing the game into the gutter. I honestly feel that the theatrics, exaggeration, and hounding of referees is much worse for the game than the opposition committing a few fouls.

Posted: **Wed May 4, 2011 12:56 pm**

_SRV_ wrote:
You can not allow a goal here because Ronaldo interfered with Mach's defense, but also you can't discredit the fact that Ronaldo did it unintentionally by being fouled, it should've been a free kick for Real.
I'm a Barca fan, and I am disgusted by Buskits, Musch's and Alves' diving, it really takes some of the fun out of watching the game, but when all Real does is go for the legs, and play dirty, Barca can either play like them or punish them by diving and sticking them with cards, I prefer what they are doing.
A lot of Barca hate going on in this thread, without mentioning the fact that both Pepe and Adebayor are practically wild animals on the field who do very little other than dangerously fouling, and Ramos and Caravalio are dirty players as well, if that's what you bringing to the table, acting and diving is only fair.

No, it isn't "only fair". And if it is something you're going to do, you can't come out and say it was 'a win for football', or talk about Barca being honest, sporting players, or like Xavi say that winning the right way is more important than just winning. There are plenty of teams in the EPL who play the way Real did in this tie (Stoke, Newcastle), but I've never seen Chelsea, Man U, or Arsenal resort to diving as much as that.

And it hasn't just been against Real, anyway. I've seen the diving, and the card-waving, against other teams as well.

Posted: **Wed May 4, 2011 1:40 pm**

It is only fair, if Pepe is going go out at the player leg away from the ball, that player, instead of waiting for Pepe to injure him next time, he flops, and Pepe can go tackle in wash rooms, I really don't like it, I wish Barca had someone like Gatuso, who would go to Pepe/Ramos/Caravalio/Adebayor and bite his head off after a cheap shot, but the team, except for Mascherano, are a bunch of nice guys, especially the leaders, Puyol and Xavi.
Except for Buskits and maybe Alves, Barca players don't dive or act more than the normal against other teams, the main core of Xavi, Iniesta, Messi and Villa don't do it, but against Real they do, and I'm fine with it, ever since the first Classico, all Real does is foul, ever asked yourself why this didn't happen with Pellegrini's Real? This is Mourinho's way of football, take your Barca hater goggles and really compare with the previous seasons and previous games.
Reading this thread, it seems as if Real were innocent sheep who were fooled by the ref, and Barca has never lost because of referees mistake, give me a break.

Posted: **Wed May 4, 2011 4:03 pm**

I really wish Real or Arsenal had Joey Barton or De Jong. These cheaters would never dive again or even better not play again.

Posted: **Wed May 4, 2011 4:10 pm**

5DOM wrote:I really wish Real or Arsenal had Joey Barton or De Jong. These cheaters would never dive again or even better not play again.

This is such an incredibly stupid comment, to wish a career ending injury on a player. You go on about justice being done to players for diving and then state your admiration for two absolute thugs who should be banned for some of the tackles they do? :nonono:

Posted: **Wed May 4, 2011 4:47 pm**

Teddy KGB wrote:
5DOM wrote:I really wish Real or Arsenal had Joey Barton or De Jong. These cheaters would never dive again or even better not play again.

This is such an incredibly stupid comment, to wish a career ending injury on a player. You go on about justice being done to players for diving and then state your admiration for two absolute thugs who should be banned for some of the tackles they do?

He's right, though.

IMO, every flop should be awarded with a 5 minute suspension and a yellow card. I hate floppers. :dontknow:

Posted: **Wed May 4, 2011 5:02 pm**

Teddy KGB wrote:
5DOM wrote:I really wish Real or Arsenal had Joey Barton or De Jong. These cheaters would never dive again or even better not play again.

This is such an incredibly stupid comment, to wish a career ending injury on a player. You go on about justice being done to players for diving and then state your admiration for two absolute thugs who should be banned for some of the tackles they do?

I see your point, and no-one should ever wish injury on another player.

However, if I'm playing someone who is behaving like Mascherano was yesterday, exaggerating contact and trying to bait the ref to book me, I reckon I'm going to go in a bit stronger than normal. I'd still be making a play on the ball, but I'd be more than happy to clear out the player at the same time. I mean, if he's going to writhe around on the floor in agony at the slightest touch, might as well give him a genuine reason to do it.

Posted: **Wed May 4, 2011 5:03 pm**

5DOM wrote:I really wish Real or Arsenal had Joey Barton or De Jong. These cheaters would never dive again or even better not play again.

Me too, De Jong would face the same destiny he did in the finals Vs Iniesta.

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