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[Camelo Thread Part 9] - OJ to DEN, Melo to NY? Pg 7

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Re: [Camelo Thread Part 9] - OJ to DEN, Melo to NY? Pg 7 

Post#1221 » by duetta » Sat Jan 15, 2011 1:49 pm

So there are no guarantees – one would need to consider more carefully exactly how Anthony would integrate into Mike D’Antoni’s offense and exactly which type of shots he’d take. One would also need to think about Anthony’s defense, where he is no standout. But upon a more careful examination, the argument that Anthony is a merely average offensive player turns out to be superficial.


I, for one, have never argued that Anthony was an average offensive player. I've always described him as Al Harrington on steroids - and Al Harrington could have been an elite offensive player (had he only learned to play within himself). And Anthony is better than that. But with Amare already in the house, one questions whether his greatest talent (as outlined by Silver) is even needed - as opposed to a couple of macho defenders.

Now, were Amare to go down...that equation would be different. Which is why Anthony, if he truly wants to win championships, needs to sign here this Summer, rather than insist on getting his extension. If he just wants to get paid, he's telling me that he's not a champion at heart - and I don't want him.
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Re: [Camelo Thread Part 9] - OJ to DEN, Melo to NY? Pg 7 

Post#1222 » by vallen » Sat Jan 15, 2011 2:12 pm

lol @ legacy. Its about the money. It always has been. Its a Business and a signing to NJ will prove that.

And why is it so easy for this board to gamble away Millions of Dollars of his money. You cant blame the guy, hes taking security over uncertainty. Which could ultimately lead to tens of millions.
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Re: [Camelo Thread Part 9] - OJ to DEN, Melo to NY? Pg 7 

Post#1223 » by Brit Knick » Sat Jan 15, 2011 2:14 pm

Sounds like he might be warming to the idea of Brooklyn in 1.5 years.
...That and then he tweets this:

"Born in Brooklyn, Manufactured in Bmore. Point blank period"

I feel like he's going to justify making a poor decision based on money using the whole Brooklyn heritage crap as an excuse, and that he is starting to lay down the groundwork.

Or (This makes my head spin), he is just trying to scare the Knicks/DW into making something happen NOW.
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Re: [Camelo Thread Part 9] - OJ to DEN, Melo to NY? Pg 7 

Post#1224 » by cshoops » Sat Jan 15, 2011 2:23 pm

Denver needs to do the right thing. If the trade to New Jersey doesn't make them better then they should deal him to his desired location and deal with them. The players they are asking for will only create the Denver Nets. They are not gonna make a serious run with the incoming talent. I can understand them dealing with a team that has players on a playoff bound team but to get scrubs off a scrub team with ridiculous contracts makes no sense. The Knicks did the same thing with Ewing and we should have just let him walk. Getting players like Glenn Rice and Dennis Scott just to say you have names was a bad move. With the money they will save they can get talent there. I don't see what makes the Nets offer so irresistable.
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Re: [Camelo Thread Part 9] - OJ to DEN, Melo to NY? Pg 7 

Post#1225 » by vallen » Sat Jan 15, 2011 2:23 pm

KnicksGod wrote:It's funny but earlier I was telling vallen that legacy is as important to a player as anything -- that and whatever cash they've earned is all they have.

And then Melo comes out and says 'This will define my legacy.'

Thanks Melo. He just completely endorsed what I was saying earlier.

He also said that he has never even considered the Nets as a real possibility, at least not up until recently. But now the wheels are turning. He does seem at least intrigued by Brooklyn, which could be bad news for the Knicks.

At the end of the day, I think there is a reasonably decent chance that he'll cave for the money and sell himself on being the man in Brooklyn, and the excitement (not winning) that goes with it.

He'll have a much harder time selling himself on the likelihood of winning -- not just winning titles, which is how you have a "legacy" -- but even just winning at all. I mean, the Nets could be a bottom-bracket playoff team with no real chance to go deep in the playoffs. That would be the worst possible outcome for him and his legacy: Stuck on a team that is stuck around .500 for years.

But he's open to it, seemingly, and he could just talk himself into it. We'll just have to wait & see. Should be interesting to watch unfold :)

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lol didnt you spent the last 6 months saying his Legacy was to come to NY, and the money didnt matter, and ostracized anyone who disagreed. Now your going to spin this into a pat on the back for yourself ?? :lol: Nice !!!
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Re: [Camelo Thread Part 9] - OJ to DEN, Melo to NY? Pg 7 

Post#1226 » by AllanHoustonFan » Sat Jan 15, 2011 2:56 pm

So I just read/saw the interview. That couldn't have been any more contradicting. How can you say the new CBA is the most important thing but winning is more important? Or how important your legacy is but you think about opening in Brooklyn?
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Post#1227 » by duetta » Sat Jan 15, 2011 3:04 pm

Realistically speaking, once you consider the cash that Melo stands to make in New York via endorsements, etc, especially as part of a championship-level Knick team, the money he would be risking is minimal. And remember, Lebron, Bosh, and Wade ALL TOOK LESS to play together - as much as $12 million less over the course of their respective deals (inasmuch as their starting salaries are $14 and 14.5 mil, which is approximately $2 million less than they could have received).

Moreover, let's never forget that they encouraged Melo to also sign a deal with a 3 year ETO, and he declined, preferring the additional year of guaranteed money. Melo has always been about the money - which is his right, but doesn't leave me feeling warm and fuzzy about his desire to actually win championships, either on or off the court. See, if I'm paying MAX money, I want a guy with a burning to desire to win it all every year.
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Post#1228 » by TrueWarrior » Sat Jan 15, 2011 3:15 pm

duetta wrote:Realistically speaking, once you consider the cash that Melo stands to make in New York via endorsements, etc, especially as part of a championship-level Knick team, the money he would be risking is minimal. And remember, Lebron, Bosh, and Wade ALL TOOK LESS to play together - as much as $12 million less over the course of their respective deals (inasmuch as their starting salaries are $14 and 14.5 mil, which is approximately $2 million less than they could have received).

Moreover, let's never forget that they encouraged Melo to also sign a deal with a 3 year ETO, and he declined, preferring the additional year of guaranteed money. Melo has always been about the money - which is his right, but doesn't leave me feeling warm and fuzzy about his desire to actually win championships, either on or off the court. See, if I'm paying MAX money, I want a guy with a burning to desire to win it all every year.


We've been on the same page throughout this whole endeavor. I remember making a very similar post a few weeks ago. LeBron and Co took less money to play together at a chance of WINNING, so why cant Melo sacrifice a few million (if that even happens in the new CBA) to play on a winner? Whats the problem here if he truly wants the Knicks, and wants to win most of all? Sign here in the offseason so we dont have to gut the team.

All him wanting the extension tells me is hes all about the MOOLA. Nothing more. Hes going to get paid regardless. The players union isnt going to settle for chump change. Melo might get grandfathered or whatever too. Theres just no way hes not making significant coin if he waits. Hes made over 100 mill already, so what is his deal? The guy still has all the leverage in the world if hes not selfish. Its pretty simple really.
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Post#1229 » by Pharmcat » Sat Jan 15, 2011 3:18 pm

ive said it from day 1 its all bout the cash for melo, hence he signed the longer deal than those other guys 4 years ago

still would love to have him
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Re: [Camelo Thread Part 9] - OJ to DEN, Melo to NY? Pg 7 

Post#1230 » by knicks742 » Sat Jan 15, 2011 3:18 pm

We need Melo. Keep one of Landry, Gallo and Chandler, keep Amar'e and Felton and that's a great core. Then just have to add the role players and we are ready to go.
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Post#1231 » by god shammgod » Sat Jan 15, 2011 3:21 pm

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duetta wrote:Realistically speaking, once you consider the cash that Melo stands to make in New York via endorsements, etc, especially as part of a championship-level Knick team, the money he would be risking is minimal. And remember, Lebron, Bosh, and Wade ALL TOOK LESS to play together - as much as $12 million less over the course of their respective deals (inasmuch as their starting salaries are $14 and 14.5 mil, which is approximately $2 million less than they could have received).

Moreover, let's never forget that they encouraged Melo to also sign a deal with a 3 year ETO, and he declined, preferring the additional year of guaranteed money. Melo has always been about the money - which is his right, but doesn't leave me feeling warm and fuzzy about his desire to actually win championships, either on or off the court. See, if I'm paying MAX money, I want a guy with a burning to desire to win it all every year.


We've been on the same page throughout this whole endeavor. I remember making a very similar post a few weeks ago. LeBron and Co took less money to play together at a chance of WINNING, so why cant Melo sacrifice a few million (if that even happens in the new CBA) to play on a winner? Whats the problem here if he truly wants the Knicks, and wants to win most of all? Sign here in the offseason so we dont have to gut the team.

All him wanting the extension tells me is hes all about the MOOLA. Nothing more. Hes going to get paid regardless. The players union isnt going to settle for chump change. Melo might get grandfathered or whatever too. Theres just no way hes not making significant coin if he waits. Hes made over 100 mill already, so what is his deal? The guy still has all the leverage in the world if hes not selfish. Its pretty simple really.


i've always said that as much as we put down lebron's decision, he did choose the place he thought he had the best chance to win at. if melo chooses the nets, or rather money over winning, it won't speak well of him. it's why i never thought he would go there and still have major doubts. i don't know what he's actually like though as a person so who knows. logically, it doesn't make sense.
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Re: [Camelo Thread Part 9] - OJ to DEN, Melo to NY? Pg 7 

Post#1232 » by Marty McFly » Sat Jan 15, 2011 3:23 pm

The nets are New York's JV team. He better understand that.
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Post#1233 » by Jmonty580 » Sat Jan 15, 2011 3:27 pm

He did say his dream is to play in NY right? Last i checked there is still only 1 NY team. He even refers to the nets as the New Jersey Nets. He mentions playing in Brooklyn his home town and all, but it sounds like he is just ackloweldging that people are making that connection and that he has thought about it. But it sounds more like he is most intersted in being a Knick.

We should just wait and see but I'm pretty confident its going to be Knicks or free agency.
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Re: [Camelo Thread Part 9] - OJ to DEN, Melo to NY? Pg 7 

Post#1234 » by god shammgod » Sat Jan 15, 2011 3:29 pm

Jmonty580 wrote:He did say his dream is to play in NY right? Last i checked there is still only 1 NY team. He even refers to the nets as the New Jersey Nets. He mentions playing in Brooklyn his home town and all, but it sounds like he is just ackloweldging that people are making that connection and that he has thought about it. But it sounds more like he is most intersted in being a Knick.

We should just wait and see but I'm pretty confident its going to be Knicks or free agency.


when you watch the interview it really does come off different like kane said though, who knows what he's really thinking. we'll just have to wait and see.
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Re: [Camelo Thread Part 9] - OJ to DEN, Melo to NY? Pg 7 

Post#1235 » by cgmw » Sat Jan 15, 2011 3:45 pm

vallen wrote:lol @ legacy. Its about the money. It always has been. Its a Business and a signing to NJ will prove that.

And why is it so easy for this board to gamble away Millions of Dollars of his money. You cant blame the guy, hes taking security over uncertainty. Which could ultimately lead to tens of millions.

:jawdrop:

I've been making this exact argument for the last 600 pages of this thread. In that time, you are the first and only person to agree with me. Seriously. 600 pages and New Yorkers, of all people, completely deny the cynical (and I believe, correct) point of view.
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Re: [Camelo Thread Part 9] - OJ to DEN, Melo to NY? Pg 7 

Post#1236 » by frogfood » Sat Jan 15, 2011 4:02 pm

Seriously. Oh, it's just TENS of MILLIONS of dollars! It's nothing!

cshoops wrote:Denver needs to do the right thing. If the trade to New Jersey doesn't make them better then they should deal him to his desired location and deal with them. .


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Re: [Camelo Thread Part 9] - OJ to DEN, Melo to NY? Pg 7 

Post#1237 » by Gregory151 » Sat Jan 15, 2011 4:10 pm

i just saw the video.. i dont feel either way.. i think he's definitely being careful not to offend any franchise or lose them as an option..

i personally dont think that brooklyn will be able to sustain the nets. i dont think the people in jersey who support the nets will transfer over to being a brooklyn net fan.. And i dont think brooklyn pple are going to fully ride out with the nets either, nobody cares that theyre coming.. The Knicks belong to NYC.. All five boroughs and people are riding out with them now more than ever. Brooklyn fought having that stadium built and there are groups that are still upset about it.. Ratner is building a whole complex over there with condos and things, last i herd. Its a lot of real estate, their focus will be to make that money back.. i personally think theyre going to price out the everyday people of BK.. Everytime i think about who will be the fans to go to the game night after night, i just cant think of who they will be. Idk know man i just dont see it.. and when i wonder why ALL of us can see it but why he cant i figure its because he's removed from actually LIVING in NY.. he prolly has no idea the level of the insignificance of the nets and their future. NO BODY CARES

if he did go, i would feel bad for him.. theyre not going to sell out in jersey once he gets there.. they had a hard time when they went to the finals.. his boy kenyon martin should be telling him that.. idk man we'll see. If he goes, he'll regret it instantly.. we'll see what happens
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Post#1238 » by Jmonty580 » Sat Jan 15, 2011 4:16 pm

Where can I see the video at?
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Post#1239 » by xxrainnn » Sat Jan 15, 2011 4:17 pm

Well, it appears he will soon be caving in to the money. From a basketball perspective it does not make much sense.. Considering he is basically going to a worse team (Nene > Brook, Afflalo > Rip, better bench, etcetc) that will lose practically all of its assets and flexibility to acquire him. Fact of the matter is he will still be the man, have his extension, and still live in NY. He is definitely feeling the pressure and seems like he's going to just say "Screw it I'll sign".

To me, this really does suck. Carmelo reminds me of Kobe Bryant. He may take a large volume of shots, but he still is a guy that will make them when they matter the most. The notion that he doesn't make players around him better is also overexaggerated.. Under the right circunstances and with more maturity and experience he will get better at it... He definitely is capable of doing so..

But at the end of the day I just hope that people don't start b*tching about Walsh. It's inevitable that people will be salty and say "Donnie dropped the ball, Donnie still sleepin'" blahblah but he truly is trying his best to acquire Melo with us winning in mind. With or without Melo I like the direction that we are going and I have faith in our GM.
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Post#1240 » by Gregory151 » Sat Jan 15, 2011 4:21 pm

Jmonty580 wrote:Where can I see the video at?


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