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2013 Draft Targets (#9, #26, #52, #59)

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Re: 2013 Draft Targets (#9 lotto odds, #26, #52, #59) 

Post#1221 » by Dewey » Mon May 20, 2013 7:28 pm

Kahn touch this wrote:Ive read that KCP's weakness are shot selection,decision making,dribbling,penetrating and creating his own shot, things that Rubio can cover up.
I think Rubio could make KCP look very good
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McCollum's coach says that he plays like a young Steph Curry. Very dynamic offensively,high bball iq. Size is a problem.
Many in here said that Rubio-Curry could have worked. What about Rubio-McCollum?

Boils down bet. KCP and CJ if we keep the pick.

Shabazz is a puzzle. Was he all-hype?
What if he falls further in 20-30 range? Would you pick him with 26?
IMO its possible a lot of hate for Shabazz recently


Our PG should NOT need to cover anything up for a SG drafted in the Top-10. If there is not one there, we will trade pick ... Flip is smart enough not to reach like that.

McCollum is ok offensively, but with this roster we need help with defense and size too. We're not very manly with guys like Luke, Shved, Bud, Steamer, etc. let alone out non-rim-protectors in Love and Pek....

Shabazz is most limited by his own immaturity ... ability-wise, I think he's gonna be fine.
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Re: 2013 Draft Targets (#9 lotto odds, #26, #52, #59) 

Post#1222 » by C.lupus » Mon May 20, 2013 7:28 pm

The lottery is before tomorrow's game, correct?
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Re: 2013 Draft Targets (#9 lotto odds, #26, #52, #59) 

Post#1223 » by Mattya » Mon May 20, 2013 7:29 pm

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I think it makes a lot of sense financially to go big with our late 1st. If we could land Withey at 26 I would be really happy. Costs less than Steamer as well. Maybe use Shved and the 26 to move up to the teens and get some cap space and get a higher ranked big man like Gobert or Dieng.


You really want to use Shved to move a couple spots into the teens? That seems a little crazy.


Ehh not to me. Shved was great for the first part of the season, but he was really just terrible the rest of the way. If he would have come out of it a little I would have more hope for him, but the end of his first year was pretty discouraging for me.
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Re: 2013 Draft Targets (#9 lotto odds, #26, #52, #59) 

Post#1224 » by Worm Guts » Mon May 20, 2013 7:32 pm

He was terrible at the end, but at his best he's a good rotation player which probably more than you can expect from a mid-teens pick. I think you just have to hope Shved can find some consistency.
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Re: 2013 Draft Targets (#9 lotto odds, #26, #52, #59) 

Post#1225 » by NikolaPekovic » Mon May 20, 2013 7:33 pm

Shved still has potential though. He has alot of skills. Just needs to get an nba body so he can stay consistant throughout the season.




Btw I've seen a few mocks that have us trading Dwill + 9 to the Lolcats for MCelmore. But we would have to take tyrus thomas' contract.
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Re: 2013 Draft Targets (#9 lotto odds, #26, #52, #59) 

Post#1226 » by LaViggins » Mon May 20, 2013 7:34 pm

C.lupus wrote:The lottery is before tomorrow's game, correct?


IND @ MIA is Wednesday if thats the game you're talking about.

The lottery is tomorrow on ESPN at 7:30 CT
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Post#1227 » by C.lupus » Mon May 20, 2013 7:36 pm

I was referring to SAS v. MEM but thanks for the confirmation.
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Post#1228 » by Mattya » Mon May 20, 2013 7:41 pm

Worm Guts wrote:He was terrible at the end, but at his best he's a good rotation player which probably more than you can expect from a mid-teens pick. I think you just have to hope Shved can find some consistency.


Hopefully he pulls a Pekovic and turns it around after his first year. I have a feeling he will always be very inconsistent though.

Shved still has potential though. He has alot of skills. Just needs to get an nba body so he can stay consistant throughout the season.


I doubt Shved will ever have an NBA body. Even if he did he would have to improve more than just that. His shooting was pretty meh most of the season. His shot selection was absolutely awful at times. He also looked like he gave up at points during the game.

Again hopefully he improves I'm just not sold yet.
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Re: 2013 Draft Targets (#9 lotto odds, #26, #52, #59) 

Post#1229 » by Dewey » Mon May 20, 2013 7:53 pm

NikolaPekovic wrote:Shved still has potential though. He has alot of skills. Just needs to get an nba body so he can stay consistant throughout the season.

Btw I've seen a few mocks that have us trading Dwill + 9 to the Lolcats for MCelmore. But we would have to take tyrus thomas' contract.


I'm in on that ...
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Re: 2013 Draft Targets (#9 lotto odds, #26, #52, #59) 

Post#1230 » by Esohny » Mon May 20, 2013 7:58 pm

NikolaPekovic wrote:Btw I've seen a few mocks that have us trading Dwill + 9 to the Lolcats for MCelmore. But we would have to take tyrus thomas' contract.


Taking on an extra $3 million/season to trade up, and taking on a guy whose play literally fell off a cliff when he got paid...that's a bit steep. You'd have to somehow be convinced that getting him out of the Bobcats stink would somehow get him back close to his 1st contract form (and that McLemore is actually going to be a stud). If McLemore pans out, it would be worth it, assuming that Flip can dump Barea/Ridnour, and Taylor cuts the check for Pekovic.
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Re: 2013 Draft Targets (#9 lotto odds, #26, #52, #59) 

Post#1231 » by PG24 » Mon May 20, 2013 8:58 pm

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NikolaPekovic wrote:Btw I've seen a few mocks that have us trading Dwill + 9 to the Lolcats for MCelmore. But we would have to take tyrus thomas' contract.


Taking on an extra $3 million/season to trade up, and taking on a guy whose play literally fell off a cliff when he got paid...that's a bit steep. You'd have to somehow be convinced that getting him out of the Bobcats stink would somehow get him back close to his 1st contract form (and that McLemore is actually going to be a stud). If McLemore pans out, it would be worth it, assuming that Flip can dump Barea/Ridnour, and Taylor cuts the check for Pekovic.

It would be an interesting deal - Thomas would bring a completely different dimension to the court (if he can stay on it). Likewise, what about a DWill/#9 to Orlando for their pick and Al Harrington? He's 1.5M cheaper than TT, and even at this stage his offensive production isn't much worse than DWill (again, if he can stay on the court).
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Re: 2013 Draft Targets (#9 lotto odds, #26, #52, #59) 

Post#1232 » by wildvikeswolves » Mon May 20, 2013 9:22 pm

http://m.washingtonpost.com/blogs/wizar ... nba-draft/

To play a little devils advocate when it come to Shabazz Muhammad, since no one likes him at all.

He has a few things going for him that could be nice here. His competitiveness, movement without the ball, and ability to score. The movement without the ball can play especially nice with Rubio. His competitive level may match that of Ricky's. Kind of reminds me more of a Drummond situation then Barnes last year with everyone so down on each of them. No doubt the kid has great potential and he does not lack confidence.
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Re: 2013 Draft Targets (#9 lotto odds, #26, #52, #59) 

Post#1233 » by NikolaPekovic » Mon May 20, 2013 11:10 pm

PG24 wrote:
Esohny wrote:
NikolaPekovic wrote:Btw I've seen a few mocks that have us trading Dwill + 9 to the Lolcats for MCelmore. But we would have to take tyrus thomas' contract.


Taking on an extra $3 million/season to trade up, and taking on a guy whose play literally fell off a cliff when he got paid...that's a bit steep. You'd have to somehow be convinced that getting him out of the Bobcats stink would somehow get him back close to his 1st contract form (and that McLemore is actually going to be a stud). If McLemore pans out, it would be worth it, assuming that Flip can dump Barea/Ridnour, and Taylor cuts the check for Pekovic.

It would be an interesting deal - Thomas would bring a completely different dimension to the court (if he can stay on it). Likewise, what about a DWill/#9 to Orlando for their pick and Al Harrington? He's 1.5M cheaper than TT, and even at this stage his offensive production isn't much worse than DWill (again, if he can stay on the court).


I doubt Orlando would want Dwill. They have HArkless, Harris, and nicholson.

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Re: 2013 Draft Targets (#9 lotto odds, #26, #52, #59) 

Post#1234 » by Devilzsidewalk » Mon May 20, 2013 11:59 pm

wildvikeswolves wrote:http://m.washingtonpost.com/blogs/wizards-insider/wp/2013/05/20/ucla-swingman-shabazz-muhammad-out-to-change-perceptions-before-nba-draft/

To play a little devils advocate when it come to Shabazz Muhammad, since no one likes him at all.

He has a few things going for him that could be nice here. His competitiveness, movement without the ball, and ability to score. The movement without the ball can play especially nice with Rubio. His competitive level may match that of Ricky's. Kind of reminds me more of a Drummond situation then Barnes last year with everyone so down on each of them. No doubt the kid has great potential and he does not lack confidence.


I still like him quite a bit. The guy was thought to be either the 1st or 2nd pick by most before the season, then put up 18 and 5 on solid percentages. Yes he's a year older than thought - if thats what it takes to get top 5 talent with the #9 pick, then so be it. Add in that he seems to be very comfortable working off the ball and it almost seems like we're begging to get burned by passing on him.

All that said, he looks like a SF and we need a SG. Not sure how that fits. If Flip works all these guys out and decides to go w/ Muhammed, I'm not going to blame him at all. I've been thinking KCP mostly lately, but I never really expected Shabazz to fall to our pick, I don't know if I could pass him up if he's on the board if I were in Flip's shoes. That's why I think Flip really has a tough call to make; there's a lot of perimeter players to choose from, and guy like Muhammed and KCP seem to fit great w/ Rubio, Oladipo seems to fit the culture, and McCollum has that tantalizing intrigue of maybe being that all around scoring threat w/ smart head on his shoulders that'd fit so well. I'm assuming it'll come down to one of those 4, w/ McCollum in the 4 spot due to his size, but I don't know how to rank the other 3.
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Re: 2013 Draft Targets (#9 lotto odds, #26, #52, #59) 

Post#1235 » by Esohny » Tue May 21, 2013 12:48 am

Eesh. I think he's a less athletic and efficient Corey Maggette if he doesn't bust. Not really what I'm hoping the Wolves add.
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Post#1236 » by Krapinsky » Tue May 21, 2013 1:29 am

Have a hard time seeing Shabazz bust. Can't really say that about a lot of other guys in the lottery.
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Re: 2013 Draft Targets (#9 lotto odds, #26, #52, #59) 

Post#1237 » by NikolaPekovic » Tue May 21, 2013 1:42 am

I think shabazz cares too much to be a bust. I dont doubt his ability to become a quality nba player but my only question is how long will that take him?


He seems like somewhat of a project.



He seems to have the skillset of a SF as of now, but i think he will devolop into a SG.
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Re: 2013 Draft Targets (#9 lotto odds, #26, #52, #59) 

Post#1238 » by Klomp » Tue May 21, 2013 1:53 am

Devilzsidewalk wrote:All that said, he looks like a SF and we need a SG. Not sure how that fits.

Shabazz Muhammad 6' 4.75" 6' 6.25" 222 6' 11" 8' 8.5" 9.0 9 10 29.5 11' 2" 37.0 11' 9.5" NA 10.99 3.32
James Harden 6' 4" 6' 5.25" 222 6' 10.75" 8' 7.5" 10.1 0 0 31.5 11' 3" 37.0 11' 8.5" 17 11.10 3.13

http://www.draftexpress.com/nba-pre-draft-measurements/
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Re: 2013 Draft Targets (#9 lotto odds, #26, #52, #59) 

Post#1239 » by nickforthreee » Tue May 21, 2013 2:11 am

Biff Cooper wrote:Here is my impression of the 5 players being discussed as it pertains to their NBA future. I haven't spent a huge amount of time studying the players, but this is my impression based mostly on visiting DX. I'm sure others view them differently:

Best distance Shooter - 1. KCP, 2. McLemore 3. Mccollum 4. Muhammad 5. Oladipo


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Re: 2013 Draft Targets (#9 lotto odds, #26, #52, #59) 

Post#1240 » by The J Rocka » Tue May 21, 2013 4:00 am

Krapinsky wrote:Have a hard time seeing Shabazz bust. Can't really say that about a lot of other guys in the lottery.

I think his game will translate better at the NBA level. I remember people were questioning Harrison Barnes about that as well.

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