NBA Trade Thread

[drosereturn]

One thing I genuinely disagree with is the idea of locking yourself into the 'buyer' or 'seller' mentality. So much for flexibility.

If Otto Porter could've gotten Drummond or Capela done (in a 3-way obviously), that should've been something considered.

Investing in C's when the league is about guards now, is a bad idea.

Well, you're investing out of a $27m injury reserve. I'm not saying to add FRPs, but Otto and sweetener like Valentine?

I've been 1000% against investing in centers since about 2008. But apples and oranges. An expiring Drummond is halfway worth the risk, you see how he fits. Capela's athleticism would actually allow Boylen to play his wild blitz defense, and he's not exactly an outrageous salary.

Same. No one wants to invest in centers but every Bulls center is injury prone although they invested a ton of resources there.
I would rather invest 25 in Dre and be done with the center position rather than wasting development time on Carter and paying another Felicio since Carter cant play another 30 min.
Bulls just dont have the assets to make a move for a elite guard and Pax said he is making his best assets untouchable atm.

An expiring Drummond is 10 times safer and better investment than Wiggins who has a multi yr contract left or Porter who will miss like 100 games by next year. The Bulls are risk averse except there was no risk involved and only rewards to be had.
Personally, I want Pax to admit like Cle they are a wasteland and sign Dre to multi year instead of missing next AD every yr.

[Chicagoat]

Not sure about the price. But I want to trade for Langford.

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Trade deadline is over..

We could still go for him in the off-season...

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Investing in C's when the league is about guards now, is a bad idea.

Well, you're investing out of a $27m injury reserve. I'm not saying to add FRPs, but Otto and sweetener like Valentine?

I've been 1000% against investing in centers since about 2008. But apples and oranges. An expiring Drummond is halfway worth the risk, you see how he fits. Capela's athleticism would actually allow Boylen to play his wild blitz defense, and he's not exactly an outrageous salary.

Same. No one wants to invest in centers but every Bulls center is injury prone although they invested a ton of resources there.
I would rather invest 25 in Dre and be done with the center position rather than wasting development time on Carter and paying another Felicio since Carter cant play another 30 min.
Bulls just dont have the assets to make a move for a elite guard and Pax said he is making his best assets untouchable atm.

An expiring Drummond is 10 times safer and better investment than Wiggins who has a multi yr contract left or Porter who will miss like 100 games by next year. The Bulls are risk averse except there was no risk involved and only rewards to be had.
Personally, I want Pax to admit like Cle they are a wasteland and sign Dre to multi year instead of missing next AD every yr.

I feel your pain with our injuries, but there are chronic things like Otto's hip and there are fluky things like WCJ's ankle and Gafford's thumb. IMO, you gotta separate those things when looking at our team going forward. IF we had money to spend this offseason (if Otto opts out), I'd sure rather spend it on a wing where we're not deep than a C where we are sorta deep.

[SfBull]

It's confusing to me that basically everyone here (including me, to be clear) wants the decision-makers in charge gone, but so many people are mad because nothing happened at the deadline. If anything, big deadline deals would've basically guaranteed that nothing will change in the FO.

I think people ( including me) feel divided, they really want a FO/ coaching change but would be ecstatic with some great blockbuster trade that could vastly improve the roster( and at same time getting rid of some players ) . That's the nature of the fanbase ,even rooting for losses is very difficult for us.

[MalagaBulls]

Interesting question, would anyone be interested in dumping Lauri this off season for a FRP and resigning Bobby P? Apparently Rose & Co do not see him as a fit going forward. He can space the floor and is hitting 3's at a .360 career clip on low volume. I think he might be better value than Lauri in some aspects but wanted to ask the board at large.

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[Dan Z]

Interesting question, would anyone be interested in dumping Lauri this off season for a FRP and resigning Bobby P? Apparently Rose & Co do not see him as a fit going forward. He can space the floor and is hitting 3's at a .360 career clip on low volume. I think he might be better value than Lauri in some aspects but wanted to ask the board at large.

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I have no interest. The Portis ship sailed for me. He puts up okay stats, but the Knicks aren't very good so it's hard to judge his impact.

[Dresden]

From the SF Chronicle, on D'Angelo Russell's time with the Warriors:


"They were so eager to get rid of him that they are embracing a player considered to be on one of the worst contracts in the league," Thompson wrote in reference to the contract of Andrew Wiggins. "Take that as an indictment on Russell, if you want. It doesn’t seem like he did much to instill confidence. He didn’t play defense and disappeared when off the ball. He didn’t instill confidence in the leaders of the franchise that he would figure it out."

[Arsenal]

Any interest in Al Horford? It's obvious the Embiid + Simmons + Horford experience is a miserable failure, but the front office didn't want to look bad so they're going to ride it out this season. Then I expect Horford to be moved in the summer. He's still been effective when not playing w/both Simmons and Embiid at the same time, so its obvious his best use is as a Center going forward.

If so, what would the Bulls offer? If not, I understand.

[Indomitable]

Any interest in Al Horford? It's obvious the Embiid + Simmons + Horford experience is a miserable failure, but the front office didn't want to look bad so they're going to ride it out this season. Then I expect Horford to be moved in the summer. He's still been effective when not playing w/both Simmons and Embiid at the same time, so its obvious his best use is as a Center going forward.

If so, what would the Bulls offer? If not, I understand.

No, he is old and overpaid. We need a leader and he has not proven capable of it. You can eat that contract.

[Dan Z]

From the SF Chronicle, on D'Angelo Russell's time with the Warriors:


"They were so eager to get rid of him that they are embracing a player considered to be on one of the worst contracts in the league," Thompson wrote in reference to the contract of Andrew Wiggins. "Take that as an indictment on Russell, if you want. It doesn’t seem like he did much to instill confidence. He didn’t play defense and disappeared when off the ball. He didn’t instill confidence in the leaders of the franchise that he would figure it out."

In his defense the Warriors season was lost before it started. He didn't have motivation to really push himself. I'm sure he also knew that he would be traded this year.

[Dresden]

From the SF Chronicle, on D'Angelo Russell's time with the Warriors:


"They were so eager to get rid of him that they are embracing a player considered to be on one of the worst contracts in the league," Thompson wrote in reference to the contract of Andrew Wiggins. "Take that as an indictment on Russell, if you want. It doesn’t seem like he did much to instill confidence. He didn’t play defense and disappeared when off the ball. He didn’t instill confidence in the leaders of the franchise that he would figure it out."

In his defense the Warriors season was lost before it started. He didn't have motivation to really push himself. I'm sure he also knew that he would be traded this year.

So if you thought you would be traded, wouldn't you sort of want to showcase your talents in the hopes that a contending team would want to trade for you? Instead of playing "unmotivated"? I would want players on my team who are going to play hard regardless of the situation.

[Dan Z]

From the SF Chronicle, on D'Angelo Russell's time with the Warriors:


"They were so eager to get rid of him that they are embracing a player considered to be on one of the worst contracts in the league," Thompson wrote in reference to the contract of Andrew Wiggins. "Take that as an indictment on Russell, if you want. It doesn’t seem like he did much to instill confidence. He didn’t play defense and disappeared when off the ball. He didn’t instill confidence in the leaders of the franchise that he would figure it out."

In his defense the Warriors season was lost before it started. He didn't have motivation to really push himself. I'm sure he also knew that he would be traded this year.

So if you thought you would be traded, wouldn't you sort of want to showcase your talents in the hopes that a contending team would want to trade for you? Instead of playing "unmotivated"? I would want players on my team who are going to play hard regardless of the situation.

Ideally I'd play hard no matter what my situation is. But these are human beings and that doesn't always happen. It's also why people like MJ are rare.

What I mean about Russell is it's possible that he didn't always make the extra hustle on defense or try harder to make a pass. But he still put up good stats so it's not like he was completely slacking.

That quote from the SF Chronicle fails to mention that they also got a good pick in the trade.

[jc23]

Any interest in Al Horford? It's obvious the Embiid + Simmons + Horford experience is a miserable failure, but the front office didn't want to look bad so they're going to ride it out this season. Then I expect Horford to be moved in the summer. He's still been effective when not playing w/both Simmons and Embiid at the same time, so its obvious his best use is as a Center going forward.

If so, what would the Bulls offer? If not, I understand.

there was a time this board coveted Horford; chicago is in no position to contend and has no need for an aging vet.

If things go bad in the playoffs i would look to trade for Beal this summer. Yes Embiid is the better talent but his position is as low in value as it ever has been and he just doesnt fit with Simmons.

[RakimAbdulJabar]

Interesting question, would anyone be interested in dumping Lauri this off season for a FRP and resigning Bobby P? Apparently Rose & Co do not see him as a fit going forward. He can space the floor and is hitting 3's at a .360 career clip on low volume. I think he might be better value than Lauri in some aspects but wanted to ask the board at large.

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I'd rather sign Ed Nealy and current Vinny Del Negro to be our starting backcourt than see Portis back on this team

[Dresden]

In his defense the Warriors season was lost before it started. He didn't have motivation to really push himself. I'm sure he also knew that he would be traded this year.

So if you thought you would be traded, wouldn't you sort of want to showcase your talents in the hopes that a contending team would want to trade for you? Instead of playing "unmotivated"? I would want players on my team who are going to play hard regardless of the situation.

Ideally I'd play hard no matter what my situation is. But these are human beings and that doesn't always happen. It's also why people like MJ are rare.

What I mean about Russell is it's possible that he didn't always make the extra hustle on defense or try harder to make a pass. But he still put up good stats so it's not like he was completely slacking.

That quote from the SF Chronicle fails to mention that they also got a good pick in the trade.

I would say that might be a reasonable excuse for not playing hard if you were a player that wasn't already labeled something of a bust, and a guy that may not be much more than a volume scoring, ball dominating guard. Here he was though, playing for the former world champions, with a chance to prove himself, and be part of the foundation of a renewed Warriors dynasty when Steph and Klay get back, and he blew it. He failed his audition. He was unable to break out of the bad habits that he's had since he came into the league. That tells me a lot about his character and what you can expect out of him going forward.

[samwana]

It's going to be interesting how Wiggins will develop, now that he is in a stronger structure. No excuses left for him either.

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[Dan Z]

So if you thought you would be traded, wouldn't you sort of want to showcase your talents in the hopes that a contending team would want to trade for you? Instead of playing "unmotivated"? I would want players on my team who are going to play hard regardless of the situation.

Ideally I'd play hard no matter what my situation is. But these are human beings and that doesn't always happen. It's also why people like MJ are rare.

What I mean about Russell is it's possible that he didn't always make the extra hustle on defense or try harder to make a pass. But he still put up good stats so it's not like he was completely slacking.

That quote from the SF Chronicle fails to mention that they also got a good pick in the trade.

I would say that might be a reasonable excuse for not playing hard if you were a player that wasn't already labeled something of a bust, and a guy that may not be much more than a volume scoring, ball dominating guard. Here he was though, playing for the former world champions, with a chance to prove himself, and be part of the foundation of a renewed Warriors dynasty when Steph and Klay get back, and he blew it. He failed his audition. He was unable to break out of the bad habits that he's had since he came into the league. That tells me a lot about his character and what you can expect out of him going forward.

Who labeled him as a bust? He was an all-star last year and played well for the Nets.

I don't think the Warriors ever intended to keep him so there was nothing for him to audition for when he was there.

I get it...he's not a perfect player (few are) but he's not bad. Let's see how he does with KAT in Minnesota. I'm skeptical that it'll work out, but only time will tell.

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[PrimzyBulls81]

Damn! That would be very solid return.. But as said many times, Zach aint the problem on Bulls.

But we could make a move for Malik Beasley.

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I am glad we didn't do that deal. Harris has been a disappointment in terms of not continuing to improve upon a good initial trajectory. Beasley could be a nice player, but that deal smelled like one of my quantity over quality fantasy trades that usually gets rebuffed. IMO Zach is a keeper. He is a relatively rare player who has both elite athleticism and shooting ability. He would look even better if he were surrounded by a healthy squad of starters.