Bucks News, Trade Ideas, Transactions - OFF SEASON EDITION

[LuessiT]

Middleton to GSW, CP3 to MIL, Wiggins to NYK, Ersan to OKC then throw a late pick to OKC and a bunch at us. Swap some picks w/ NYK to make it worth their while to take Wiggins. Then package Bledsoe with a bunch of picks to get a Middleton replacement.

Terrible. In terms of value:
Middleton >> CP3 >> a bag of chips >> Wiggins

There is no reason to trade Middleton in a deal for CP3.

[WRau1]

Middleton to GSW, CP3 to MIL, Wiggins to NYK, Ersan to OKC then throw a late pick to OKC and a bunch at us. Swap some picks w/ NYK to make it worth their while to take Wiggins. Then package Bledsoe with a bunch of picks to get a Middleton replacement.

Terrible. In terms of value:
Middleton >> CP3 >> a bag of chips >> Wiggins

There is no reason to trade Middleton in a deal for CP3.

Getting multiple picks and CP3 for Middleton is pretty phenomenal value, especially if we can turn those picks and Bledsoe into a similar level player as Khris. Besides that, trading Middleton might be the only way to make any meaningful changes to the team without having to trade every rotation player.

[raferfenix]

CP3 makes $ 41,358,814 next season. For salary matching purposes we'd have send greater than $ 33,007,051 in cumulatative salary. It would have to be Bledsoe, Ersan, RoLo + DJ ($ 33,428,630) or more.

Does anyone think RoLo is opting out or is he taking the guaranteed $4.7 million in this uncertain environment?

If he were to opt out -- or if the Bucks were to cheap out on including Ersan vs cutting him -- then we might need to include some combination of Donte, Hill, or BroLo to make the numbers work.

[raferfenix]

I highly, highly doubt we trade Rolo unless he's planning on retiring.

Does the bro-love btw BroLo and RoLo matter that much to our franchise?

I mean it is a theme because Giannis loves his brother who is on the team too...but the Bucks just don't have that many other tradeable contracts.

[emunney]

Wings are in short supply and everybody wants them -- if we trade Khris, we're not going to get a comparable wing back unless we speculate on a young player and get lucky. He's dead in his prime and everybody's putting 3 or more wings on the court.

[raferfenix]

Playing with the TradeNBA trade checker, pretty slick.

It shows the Knicks with at least $14.7 million in cap space.

They could increase that substantially, but here's a trade that works contractually if that's only what they have available.

Whether the Thunder would need more value is the main question in my mind. I'm wary to trade Donte in particular if we don't have to.

We don't have a lot of picks left but we could send out some kind of draft assets in theory.

Ideally the Knicks would value Bledsoe enough to also send out assets...but them absorbing that contract might be all they're willing to do. OKC would value that cap relief as well (much less a TPE if they get one), just a question of how much.

[Badgerlander]

Bucks get: Paul
Knicks get: Bledsoe
OKC gets: Kevin Knox, Ersan, RoLo, Wilson, #27 via NY (and a $42 million trade exception)

I like this, but two issues. First, I think OKC will want something additional. Second, if you're sending out Ersan, DJ and Rolo, you're going to be very thin on the front line. Which veterans are you acquiring to shore that up? I'm not sure Harkless fills those roles.

If OKC wants more then we ask for Dort to be included

[giannis and 1]

Playing with the TradeNBA trade checker, pretty slick.

It shows the Knicks with at least $14.7 million in cap space.

They could increase that substantially, but here's a trade that works contractually if that's only what they have available.

Whether the Thunder would need more value is the main question in my mind. I'm wary to trade Donte in particular if we don't have to.

We don't have a lot of picks left but we could send out some kind of draft assets in theory.

Ideally the Knicks would value Bledsoe enough to also send out assets...but them absorbing that contract might be all they're willing to do. OKC would value that cap relief as well (much less a TPE if they get one), just a question of how much.

I think the Knicks could include #38 in this deal. Either have that pick going directly to OKC or it goes to us and we give #24 to OKC.

[WRau1]

I highly, highly doubt we trade Rolo unless he's planning on retiring.

Does the bro-love btw BroLo and RoLo matter that much to our franchise?

I mean it is a theme because Giannis loves his brother who is on the team too...but the Bucks just don't have that many other tradeable contracts.

I personally don't think it matters a ton but that's not the vibe I've got from this front office. They constantly talk up the chemistry and Rolo is a big part of that.

[ShootingtheJ]

I highly, highly doubt we trade Rolo unless he's planning on retiring.

Does the bro-love btw BroLo and RoLo matter that much to our franchise?

I mean it is a theme because Giannis loves his brother who is on the team too...but the Bucks just don't have that many other tradeable contracts.

Exactly. RoLo was inactive for numerous playoff games, including a game when DJ Wilson was active. We're clearly moving on from RoLo.

[ShootingtheJ]

Playing with the TradeNBA trade checker, pretty slick.

It shows the Knicks with at least $14.7 million in cap space.

They could increase that substantially, but here's a trade that works contractually if that's only what they have available.

Whether the Thunder would need more value is the main question in my mind. I'm wary to trade Donte in particular if we don't have to.

We don't have a lot of picks left but we could send out some kind of draft assets in theory.

Ideally the Knicks would value Bledsoe enough to also send out assets...but them absorbing that contract might be all they're willing to do. OKC would value that cap relief as well (much less a TPE if they get one), just a question of how much.

The rumor was OKC wants Kevin Knox and a 1st for Paul, but the Knicks aren't that interested in Paul.

I'm sure the Knicks realize Paul wants to be on a contender, and they realize they're not there yet. I doubt the Knicks are bothered to eat up a little of their cap space on Bledsoe, because the free agent class sucks.

[raferfenix]

The rumor was OKC wants Kevin Knox and a 1st for Paul, but the Knicks aren't that interested in Paul.

I'm sure the Knicks realize Paul wants to be on a contender, and they realize they're not there yet. I doubt the Knicks are bothered to eat up a little of their cap space on Bledsoe, because the free agent class sucks.

Bledsoe is only 30 years old.

And his playoff woes would matter way less to a team desperate to get there in the first place.

I could see Thibs viewing him as a potential long term piece that they could get for chump change.

On the other hand, the Bucks are desperate, so both the Knicks as well as the Thunder can play coy and try to extract as much value as possible.

From that vantage point, I could easily see this Mark Berman NY Post article being orchestrated to try and pump up Kevin Knox's value, and of course trading for an in-his-prime Bledsoe is different for a team in their position than a CP3 on his last legs.

Also of note: If Paul wants to go to Milwaukee, his former agent being in charge of the Knicks could be an added bonus to them to help facilitate.

If Knicks president Leon Rose takes the leap for 35-year-old Chris Paul, he may have to give up on Kevin Knox, according to an NBA source.

The Thunder are motivated to deal Paul and his massive contract after deciding upon a rebuilding campaign following Billy Donovan’s firing. Oklahoma City general manager Sam Presti likely will want a first-round pick and a young prospect still on his rookie contract, multiple league officials believe.

According to the source, that young player preferably would be Knox, the ninth pick in the 2018 NBA Draft, who is coming off a disappointing sophomore campaign.

The Knicks have a trove of first-round picks to deal (seven first-round picks in the next four drafts). The belief, however, is that they would prefer to keep the 20-year-old Knox in any Paul scenario and offer up either of their 2017 lottery-pick point guards, Frank Ntilikina or Dennis Smith Jr., both of whom will be restricted free agents in 2021.

The Thunder already have their point guard of the future in Shai Gilgeous-Alexander and are not big fans of Smith.

https://nypost.com/2020/10/06/kevin-knox-is-the-key-to-knicks-prying-chris-paul-off-thunder/

[ShootingtheJ]

The rumor was OKC wants Kevin Knox and a 1st for Paul, but the Knicks aren't that interested in Paul.

I'm sure the Knicks realize Paul wants to be on a contender, and they realize they're not there yet. I doubt the Knicks are bothered to eat up a little of their cap space on Bledsoe, because the free agent class sucks.

Bledsoe is only 30 years old.

And his playoff woes would matter way less to a team desperate to get there in the first place.

I could see Thibs viewing him as a potential long term piece that they could get for chump change.

On the other hand, the Bucks are desperate, so both the Knicks as well as the Thunder can play coy and try to extract as much value as possible.

From that vantage point, I could easily see this Mark Berman NY Post article being orchestrated to try and pump up Kevin Knox's value, and of course trading for an in-his-prime Bledsoe is different for a team in their position than a CP3 on his last legs.

Also of note: If Paul wants to go to Milwaukee, his former agent being in charge of the Knicks could be an added bonus to them to help facilitate.

If Knicks president Leon Rose takes the leap for 35-year-old Chris Paul, he may have to give up on Kevin Knox, according to an NBA source.

The Thunder are motivated to deal Paul and his massive contract after deciding upon a rebuilding campaign following Billy Donovan’s firing. Oklahoma City general manager Sam Presti likely will want a first-round pick and a young prospect still on his rookie contract, multiple league officials believe.

According to the source, that young player preferably would be Knox, the ninth pick in the 2018 NBA Draft, who is coming off a disappointing sophomore campaign.

The Knicks have a trove of first-round picks to deal (seven first-round picks in the next four drafts). The belief, however, is that they would prefer to keep the 20-year-old Knox in any Paul scenario and offer up either of their 2017 lottery-pick point guards, Frank Ntilikina or Dennis Smith Jr., both of whom will be restricted free agents in 2021.

The Thunder already have their point guard of the future in Shai Gilgeous-Alexander and are not big fans of Smith.

https://nypost.com/2020/10/06/kevin-knox-is-the-key-to-knicks-prying-chris-paul-off-thunder/

Yup, Bledsoe is perfect for a team chasing the 8th seed. He's one of the best regular season players on the market. The Knicks could get competition from Orlando, or a western conference team that wants him to defend Jamal Murray, Steph, Spider Mitchell...

[raferfenix]

Ok so let's say the Bucks make a 3-way trade on draft day with the Knicks and Thunder sending out #24 + Bledsoe + Ersan + RoLo + DJ for CP3.

We'd have plenty of holes to fill (resigning Wes would help a lot) but this foundation could be way worse (particularly if the Thunder insist on us sending them Donte):

PG: Paul, Hill
SG: Donte
SF: Middleton, Giannis Bro
PF: Giannis
C: Lonely BroLo

[Matches Malone]

Reading about the Knicks reminds me of how wrong I was on Dennis Smith Jr. Thought he'd come out and be what Ja Morant is right now. Woof

[ShootingtheJ]

It’d be so much easier to make deals if we had Brogdon to include in deals. Just saying.

Do you think we could get a 1st and 2- 2nd rounders for him, without taking back any salary?

[Rstuedes24]

Ok so let's say the Bucks make a 3-way trade on draft day with the Knicks and Thunder sending out #24 + Bledsoe + Ersan + RoLo + DJ for CP3.

We'd have plenty of holes to fill (resigning Wes would help a lot) but this foundation could be way worse (particularly if the Thunder insist on us sending them Donte):

PG: Paul, Hill
SG: Donte
SF: Middleton, Giannis Bro
PF: Giannis
C: Lonely BroLo

Keeping 24 would be nice, I think we could still get a guy like Ramsey, Tyrell or Desmond

CP3/Hill/24
Donte/Wes/24
Middleton/
Giannis/
Brook/

Few guys that might be worth a look in FA to fill a gap at 4/5?
Nerlens, Crowder, Harkless, Cousins, TT, Gasol, Giles


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[DrWood]

When I was watching the last Heat-Lakers game, I thought: If I could have any one of these players on the Bucks, I'd want it to be Bam. I know there is overlap between his and Giannis's skill sets, but I think those two and 3 legitimate shooters could dominate.
I'd guess LeBron would be the stock answer.
Who would you take?

[bdpecore]

When I was watching the last Heat-Lakers game, I thought: If I could have any one of these players on the Bucks, I'd want it to be Bam. I know there is overlap between his and Giannis's skill sets, but I think those two and 3 legitimate shooters could dominate.
I'd guess LeBron would be the stock answer.
Who would you take?

I honestly think Jimmy Butler would be the perfect fit with our current roster. He plays hard and unselfish but isn’t afraid to take over a game if needed. His game fits in perfectly next to both Giannis and Middleton. Now I know he’s on the wrong side of 30 but if we are looking to add one piece for next season he would get us a championship

[Ruzious]

When I was watching the last Heat-Lakers game, I thought: If I could have any one of these players on the Bucks, I'd want it to be Bam. I know there is overlap between his and Giannis's skill sets, but I think those two and 3 legitimate shooters could dominate.
I'd guess LeBron would be the stock answer.
Who would you take?

I honestly think Jimmy Butler would be the perfect fit with our current roster. He plays hard and unselfish but isn’t afraid to take over a game if needed. His game fits in perfectly next to both Giannis and Middleton. Now I know he’s on the wrong side of 30 but if we are looking to add one piece for next season he would get us a championship

My choice would be Anthony Davis - by far. Granted, I don't normally want my 2 best players to be bigs, but I definitely make an exception for Davis. And he's still just 27! His combo of offense and defense is off the charts.