Official Scottie Barnes Thread

[blastttOFF]

On the season, his shooting splits are now 49/35/73. His TS% is hovering around league average.

There are a lot of great signs:

1. His willingness to take shots that he might not be comfortable taking. He's not afraid to fail. He misses badly on some 3s, but he keeps shooting them.

2. His shots come within the flow of the offense. He never chucks.

3. He's adding new shots/moves to his game consistently.

4. He's so much further ahead offensively than many expected and he could be an elite player a lot sooner than anticipated.

Apart from skillset development, that Mamba mentality could be the thing which lifts Scottie into top-5 territory. Those players don't always just let the game come to them, they go out and take it.

or more like *Bet on yourself mentality

[OakleyDokely]

On the season, his shooting splits are now 49/35/73. His TS% is hovering around league average.

There are a lot of great signs:

1. His willingness to take shots that he might not be comfortable taking. He's not afraid to fail. He misses badly on some 3s, but he keeps shooting them.

2. His shots come within the flow of the offense. He never chucks.

3. He's adding new shots/moves to his game consistently.

4. He's so much further ahead offensively than many expected and he could be an elite player a lot sooner than anticipated.

Apart from skillset development, that Mamba mentality could be the thing which lifts Scottie into top-5 territory. Those players don't always just let the game come to them, they go out and take it.

or more like *Bet on yourself mentality

I like the Kawhi mentality. I will play within the flow unless my teammates can't make shots and I have to takeover.

[YogurtProducer]

Apart from skillset development, that Mamba mentality could be the thing which lifts Scottie into top-5 territory. Those players don't always just let the game come to them, they go out and take it.

or more like *Bet on yourself mentality

I like the Kawhi mentality. I will play within the flow unless my teammates can't make shots and I have to takeover.

AKA the mentality of a true MVP caliber player.

[T-d0t]

Glad to be wrong on Scottie but people need to admit that the player we saw in college is not the same player we are watching now.

If he had looked this good in college he would have gone higher

[brownbobcat]

I like the Kawhi mentality. I will play within the flow unless my teammates can't make shots and I have to takeover.

Tomato-tomahto, but I thought there were plenty of times in the RS and playoffs when Kawhi looked to attack first on offense. Also, Kawhi and Scottie couldn't be more different in terms of personality.

[libertyYYZ]

or more like *Bet on yourself mentality

I like the Kawhi mentality. I will play within the flow unless my teammates can't make shots and I have to takeover.

AKA the mentality of a true MVP caliber player.

Yep. Watch KD within the Nets. He picks his spots to dominate and can pretty much do it whenever and against anyone.

[bon]

Let Scottie be Scottie. When lebron does his stuff no one complains. Scottie got swag. He is the only reason most of us are watching this team right now. Maybe some folks like the pounding the rock players that take everyone from the flow of the game. Not me.

Exactly. He's full of energy and seems to always create a big scoring run himself coming out of halftime. Obviously he can still get smarter about how does stuff on the court but we shouldn't be looking to put him in a box either. He gets himself going by having fun

[bon]

Glad to be wrong on Scottie but people need to admit that the player we saw in college is not the same player we are watching now.

If he had looked this good in college he would have gone higher

The flashes were all there but a lot of people didn't want to look past the big negative of the shooting (which is a very fixable flaw)

[Yeezus_]

Glad to be wrong on Scottie but people need to admit that the player we saw in college is not the same player we are watching now.

If he had looked this good in college he would have gone higher

The flashes were all there but a lot of people didn't want to look past the big negative of the shooting (which is a very fixable flaw)

It wasn't just the shooting, it was also his finishing ability. He shot really poorly around the rim in college. Also his explosiveness as well.

[gp2015]

Apart from skillset development, that Mamba mentality could be the thing which lifts Scottie into top-5 territory. Those players don't always just let the game come to them, they go out and take it.

or more like *Bet on yourself mentality

I like the Kawhi mentality. I will play within the flow unless my teammates can't make shots and I have to takeover.

I didn't see much of this while he was here, especially in the playoffs.

While it obviously worked, it was give the ball to Kawhi for an ISO and everyone else just stand and watch.

Only when he struggled was when someone else had a chance to take over.

It wasn't pretty to watch but it worked because Kawhi is a superstar.

[Anticon]

Glad to be wrong on Scottie but people need to admit that the player we saw in college is not the same player we are watching now.

If he had looked this good in college he would have gone higher

Which is why we all need to be grateful that we have good enough scouting that Barnes was likely also evaluated based on his pre college play, international and workouts. Partly why it's so hard for those of us at home to scout, unless you're really committees to following the full journey of these guys.

[YogurtProducer]

or more like *Bet on yourself mentality

I like the Kawhi mentality. I will play within the flow unless my teammates can't make shots and I have to takeover.

I didn't see much of this while he was here, especially in the playoffs.

While it obviously worked, it was give the ball to Kawhi for an ISO and everyone else just stand and watch.

Only when he struggled was when someone else had a chance to take over.

It wasn't pretty to watch but it worked because Kawhi is a superstar.

This is not really true. We had two very distinctive offences that year. The ball movement flow offence ran through Lowry/Gasol hitting Green for 3's or Siakam on cuts, and then the Kawhi late clock or the regular offence has stalled I am gonna go ISO offence.

Kawhi only took over when he had to (see Philly series), but he played within the offence most of the time (see Bucks series game 3-6 and the Warriors series)

[Los_29]

I will never understand people wanting to not let cocky players be cocky. It's their personality. Let them be who they are. Christ

He’s not being cocky. He’s being dumb. There is a huge difference.

I couldn't care less. Don't try changing these guys. It's what got them here. That confidence and style. You can't have it both ways wanting him to be energetic and lively and then not doing the other stuff that comes with the package. Draymond is screaming and acting a fool win or lose. That's who he is. I'm not even disagreeing he did a dumb move. It is by any measure but I cannot stand these weird attacks on character. Or "earning it". F that. Earn what? Be who you are at all times. Nurse ain't mad and he's clearly a stickler. Why is anyone else?

Nick Nurse does care. Didn't he say "as long as he makes them, it's okay." If he does miss one though then he should expect there to be consequences because he's putting himself first ahead of the team. It's a selfish thing to do. And no it's not confidence and style. It's pure stupidity and is something that can cost a team. Winning teams don't have players staring people down on breakaways while they are down 10 points. Draymond is the exact opposite, he's a ferocious competitor who wouldn't lollygag around and jeopardize an easy two points while his team is losing in a game at home. Draymond is cocky and is a competitor but he doesn't showboat to the point that it costs his team points at least to my knowledge. If you can find me a compilation of franchise players on winning teams staring people down while going for an easy two points then I'd love to see it though.

I'm a big fan of Scottie's game but to downplay this is just bizarre.

[PoundTown]

Glad to be wrong on Scottie but people need to admit that the player we saw in college is not the same player we are watching now.

If he had looked this good in college he would have gone higher

The flashes were all there but a lot of people didn't want to look past the big negative of the shooting (which is a very fixable flaw)

It wasn't just the shooting, it was also his finishing ability. He shot really poorly around the rim in college. Also his explosiveness as well.

For me, it was the around the rim stuff. Along with his touch not being what it is now, he had some weird footwork on his drives. It has kind of been shocking the strides he’s made both in his at the hoop scoring game, and his shooting game. His midrange seems close and to automatic and he just hit 7 3s in the last two games, a huge development from a confidence stand point. I would have picked Suggs, but that is why masai and Bobby are at the helm not i. Suggs will still be a solid player, but nowhere near the impact of Scottie. Scottie and Mobley will end up being the best two players in this draft. I’m betting on Scottie personally, but also betting Mobley is a yearly all star type, which I guess tells you how good I now thing Scottie can be.

[vulture]

We all know he's a rookie, but he has to get better defensively. he was drafted for his defensive versatility and yes he can switch 1-5 , but the constant floating around on help defense, getting blown by due to pressuring guards is making him look bad.

He just needs to be more sound there and right now he's a negative on that end.

[Vampirate]

He’s not being cocky. He’s being dumb. There is a huge difference.

I couldn't care less. Don't try changing these guys. It's what got them here. That confidence and style. You can't have it both ways wanting him to be energetic and lively and then not doing the other stuff that comes with the package. Draymond is screaming and acting a fool win or lose. That's who he is. I'm not even disagreeing he did a dumb move. It is by any measure but I cannot stand these weird attacks on character. Or "earning it". F that. Earn what? Be who you are at all times. Nurse ain't mad and he's clearly a stickler. Why is anyone else?

Nick Nurse does care. Didn't he say "as long as he makes them, it's okay." If he does miss one though then he should expect there to be consequences because he's putting himself first ahead of the team. It's a selfish thing to do. And no it's not confidence and style. It's pure stupidity and is something that can cost a team. Winning teams don't have players staring people down on breakaways while they are down 10 points. Draymond is the exact opposite, he's a ferocious competitor who wouldn't lollygag around and jeopardize an easy two points while his team is losing in a game at home. Draymond is cocky and is a competitor but he doesn't showboat to the point that it costs his team points at least to my knowledge. If you can find me a compilation of franchise players on winning teams staring people down while going for an easy two points then I'd love to see it though.

I'm a big fan of Scottie's game but to downplay this is just bizarre.

Scottie imo has a bit of 'villain' side to him.

He just has to know when to turn that side on to the benefit of the team.

[bon]

Glad to be wrong on Scottie but people need to admit that the player we saw in college is not the same player we are watching now.

If he had looked this good in college he would have gone higher

The flashes were all there but a lot of people didn't want to look past the big negative of the shooting (which is a very fixable flaw)

It wasn't just the shooting, it was also his finishing ability. He shot really poorly around the rim in college. Also his explosiveness as well.

No his % at the rim was very good in college and he's always been explosive. What's changed is that he's gotten better going left and that he stopped killing his momentum on drives by pulling up.

[DG88]

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[mdenny]

I like the Kawhi mentality. I will play within the flow unless my teammates can't make shots and I have to takeover.

I didn't see much of this while he was here, especially in the playoffs.

While it obviously worked, it was give the ball to Kawhi for an ISO and everyone else just stand and watch.

Only when he struggled was when someone else had a chance to take over.

It wasn't pretty to watch but it worked because Kawhi is a superstar.

This is not really true. We had two very distinctive offences that year. The ball movement flow offence ran through Lowry/Gasol hitting Green for 3's or Siakam on cuts, and then the Kawhi late clock or the regular offence has stalled I am gonna go ISO offence.

Kawhi only took over when he had to (see Philly series), but he played within the offence most of the time (see Bucks series game 3-6 and the Warriors series)

People forget about that. During the season and leading up to the playoffs there was alot of talk about how our offense "looked better" without kawhi because of ball movement and cutting. Our record without kawhi was pretty good too so that added to the debate.

[YogurtProducer]

We all know he's a rookie, but he has to get better defensively. he was drafted for his defensive versatility and yes he can switch 1-5 , but the constant floating around on help defense, getting blown by due to pressuring guards is making him look bad.

He just needs to be more sound there and right now he's a negative on that end.

A lot of that is our system I think. Listen to quotes from guys like GTJ who mention how much more complicated our system was than Portlands was, and how much better he looked this year with some experience and an off-season.

I fully expect our defence will start to hit stride as the season continues, especially once we have a (somewhat) fully healthy roster that can get used to each other