Ghost of Kleine wrote:SunsRback4Good wrote:lilfishi22 wrote:I agree with all of that, except I'm ok with Jones staying but working under an experienced and serious POBO. I still think Jones has an eye for late draft talent
Besides Mikal and CamJ who has JJ drafted that is talented since 2018? He’s not a great GM and should be demoted ASAP.
This!
First, Bridges was actually a McDonough pick and not even a jones selection! And although Cam was/ is pretty solid, the same could be said about Coby White too, and that pick really might of negated the pursuit of Beal in trade altogether considering how he turned out for Chicago.
Also, Hachimura being a similar archetype to Johnson too. Also, not to mention how the players he could've traded back for and missed on in that draft too:
PJ Washington, Tyler Herro, Goga Bidatze, Mattise Thybulle, Grant Williams, Brandon Clarke.
And sure he identified Jerome (which some here pointed out too) oddly enough before the draft, so that wasn't so outlier honestly. But what about the players missed there too with picking Jerome over:
Jordan Poole, Keldon Johnson, NIK CLAXTON, DANIEL GAFFORD, Taylor Horton Tucker, Terrence Mann, etc. And most importantly, the man himself the " Bol" ercoaster! BOL BOL.........lol just kidding.
He not only whiffed on Halliburton too in that draft, but also these players in notbtrading back down in thsy draft:
Isiah Stewart, TYRESE MAXEY, IMMANUEL QUICKLY, Precious Achiuwa, JOSH GREEN, JADEN MCDANIELS, PAYTON PRITCHARD, DESMOND BANE, NIK RICHARDS, ISIAH JOE, Paul Reed, Sam Merrill.
Then opted for to trade our pick for Landry "good enough to marry Monty's daughter " Shamet and whiffed on HERB JONES!! But also Day'Ron Sharpe, MILES MCBRIDE, AYO DOSUNMA, Santi Aldama, AARON WIGGINS, BJ Boston, Jericho Sims.
Numerous prospects that are/ were better than Shamet ilana way you slice it.The things about Jones and the draft, he's missed far more than he's hit on prospects. And he himself went on record stating in that article a few years back that he doesn't value the draft at all and would have NOT DRAFTED BOOKER!! Viewing him as just another shooting guard.
Jones was hired as a " Yes man" accountability shield for our previous narcissistic azzhat owner! And has self stated having no interest in the draft. And I'm really dubious of the fact that he really had anything to do with these last two drafts given his overall track record, and the convenience of Ishbia taking possession of the team and installing/ upgrading everything from the jump flaunting his money.
Basically this indicates to me that it's far more likely the new scouts that Ishbia brought in are the reason for identifying Camara and Dunn/ Ighodaro.
Under Sarver/ Jones the scouts were:
John Treloar and Todd Quinter, John Schumate. And a skeleton crew front office and a GM who self admitted to not even caring about the draft!
And under Ishbia you now have:
Daniel Gomez Otero and Pat Zipfel. And alot more resources by virtue of Ishbia being willing to spend significant money and resources upgrading various departments. I for my part just find it really convenient that now suddenly under Ishbia, after Jones entire tenure of numerous glaring misses, he's somehow hit on multiple picks two years in a row??
To me it's clearly the scouts more than Jones having a keen eye for talent. Because if he did actually have that, he wouldn't have missed so much on so many key prospects over so many drafts. But just now under new ownership he's miraculously become an astute draft evaluator. It just doesn't track with everything he's shown over almost a decade now.
