Re: Felton traded to Knicks; Not matching Lin? (part 3)

[knickabocker88]

Wake up Donnie!

[CoolKids]

Enough of this drama. I'm off to watch True Blood for an hour: probably the only thing that can get me away from refreshing this page for information every 3 seconds.

guess Im missing that. More like speculation and a lot bitchassness

[Shemy]

I think it's obvious guys...Dolan is hoping to beat the islanders In hopes of winning the worst run sports franchise In the state of NY

[21shumpst]

^Felton has holes in his game and donut holes in his locker.

...Sorry, too easy sometimes.

The holes are ok, its the donuts taht are killer.

[NYKat]

exactly, basketball players aren't the most astute people in the world. Im pretty sure what JR said and what he meant to say are two different things.

Guys come from college, spend 4 years getting paid on a rookie deal, they paid the dues to get paid. Lin is going to get a 25 million dollar deal based off of a 30 game sample. What JR said isnt wrong, misguided yes, but def not wrong.

I want lin back so dont take it as a lin hating post.

Uhm, What are you doing?!

Lin fans aren't supposed to use logic on this board! they are supposed to hate on anybody who doesn't toe the line, get it right

[No35]

Frank Isola ‏@FisolaNYDN
J.R. Smith tells http://SI.com that Lin's contract could cause some chemistry issues in the locker room. Got to love J.R.'s honesty

You mean his gross stupidity, which goes with his abysmal shot selection...

All these guys make Russell Westbrook look like a class act. Remember how he handled that reporter when he was asked about Harden potentially getting a max contract.

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Irwm7o5dRXM[/youtube]

[ORANGEandBLUE]

It's not about how good Lin is. It's about the sloppiness of the whole situation. It's only been a day and players are already taking shots.

[Synciere]

Are we a SUBSTANTIALLY better team with Lin than without him?

We as fans talk about how it's only Dolan's money. This is America folks. What you eat don't make me shyt. I'm never going to tell another man how to spend his bread. With that being said, if we don't match Lin, it'll prove to us a couple of things.

1. His off court value to the franchise is not enough to cover for the expense of keeping him. That would mean that if he comes back, Dolan and the Knicks believe he's not likely to continue to increase the value of the franchise. Lin could have been our third string PG and if he didn't explode for that month, the stock would have remained static. In other words, just having Lin isn't enough to guarantee the Knicks unprecedented profits.

2. The Knicks do not believe he makes this team a much better team. Substantially better. If he doesn't improve the team in terms of wins, he doesn't improve the team fiscally either. Is that a fair assessment to make?

We don't know. What we do know is that Felton is just decent and not a difference maker. Lin could be a superstar or a flop. He has shown potential to be a superstar and if he plays out to that potential, it's the ONLY way the Knicks can be title contenders next year.

By not matching, we are taking a risk that he is the real deal. At worst he is a solid bench player and the Knicks are capped out for the next 3 years anyway, so who cares about the luxury tax.

Dolan doesn't care about the luxury tax. He makes a killing off the Knicks. If he decided not to match Lin, it's because of his ego. Not because of the tax.

Felton was an All Star candidate and helped make Amare an MVP candidate during his time here. He is just as proven as Lin, and if Lin is left on the Rockets, I'd like to see how he does on that team of ill fitting players. A superstar PG does not struggle against top level competition the way Lin did. I don't think superstar when I think of Lin. His ceiling IMO is a borderline All Star.

At worst, he's a rotation player who could cost the owner of the team 50 million including his salary. That is a pretty effing big worst case scenario if it were my money. It wouldn't matter if I had a billion dollars; losing 50 million would still hurt. Unless you know Dolan personally, I find it extremely presumptuous to say a 30-50 million dollar tax bill could/would not factor into his decision.

[Thugger HBC]

exactly, basketball players aren't the most astute people in the world. Im pretty sure what JR said and what he meant to say are two different things.

Guys come from college, spend 4 years getting paid on a rookie deal, they paid the dues to get paid. Lin is going to get a 25 million dollar deal based off of a 30 game sample. What JR said isnt wrong, misguided yes, but def not wrong.

I want lin back so dont take it as a lin hating post.

Lin is getting $15m in his 5th season. His pay scale his first 5 seasons is the same as Hibbert, Eric Gordon, and Brook Lopez.

JR's underlying point is wrong and he's even stupider for saying it to the press.

Using those examples actually support what JR is talking about.

Two of those players are infinitely better than Lin.

And really he isn't a 5 year players...two year were essentially cut from him.

[ag3]

Lin not only saved dantonis job for the time being, he gave the knicks season a kick start when the team was in the doldrums

Firing moron Dantoni saved the Knicks season. Not Lin. Knicks went 18-6 with Carmelo playing elite basketball.

[Nono]

^Felton has holes in his game and donut holes in his locker.

...Sorry, too easy sometimes.

[Knicker23]

Frank Isola ‏@FisolaNYDN
J.R. Smith tells http://SI.com that Lin's contract could cause some chemistry issues in the locker room. Got to love J.R.'s honesty

Coming from a guy that took 2.8 when he could get a lot more.. I don't think it'd be much different than any other player getting overpaid, like Fields... Although few have made such bank off so few games.

If you're making Tyson Chandler money a lot is expected of you... And to me, it sounds like a lot of players aren't sold on Lin... It's always "he's a good player" or as Kidd said "has the chance to be consistent" etc etc.. You don't often hear "he's going to be a great" "all star" etc etc.. Then again no one expected him to do what he did...

[rocarlos24]

You guys are bugging..............

Jlin while a great story and all he just is not that talented..
he can be a decent pg maybe make a couple of allstar apperarences but his cieling imo
is lower then shumps, ppl hate on fatty felt, but he played hard for us when he was here
this is the knicks, if you are mad at this that much go be a houston rocket fan....
in the words of my ninja shump FOH!!!!

[vinnie_vegas69]

The way the new CBA was done, this is a ridiculous contract and a terrible loophole. Kudos to Morey for finding it. How is it fair that the Rockets pay $8,$8,$8 and the Knicks pay $5,$5,$15? It's not. It's a stupid loophole.

Well actually, the Rockets still pay him in the 5/5/15 sequence, but they have to be able to fit 8/8/8 under their salary cap (so essentially they need $8mil in cap room right now) to be able to make the offer in the first place.

[Mush Man]

The Knicks should have offered Lin their maximum under the Early Bird (4 yr/$24M, 6/6/6/6). That would have been great for the Knicks salary cap/luxury tax, and Lin may very well have taken it. After all, it was better than the reported initial offer by Houston of 3 yr/$20M.

This.

ESPECIALLY if the organization secretly believed that Lin was not the right fit long term. This would have been the easiest contract to flip for a useable player on our entire roster. Think of how many teams with bad records looking for a gate draw would have given up multiple firsts for Lin.

[ORANGEandBLUE]

exactly, basketball players aren't the most astute people in the world. Im pretty sure what JR said and what he meant to say are two different things.

Guys come from college, spend 4 years getting paid on a rookie deal, they paid the dues to get paid. Lin is going to get a 25 million dollar deal based off of a 30 game sample. What JR said isnt wrong, misguided yes, but def not wrong.

I want lin back so dont take it as a lin hating post.

Lin is getting $15m in his 5th season. His pay scale his first 5 seasons is the same as Hibbert, Eric Gordon, and Brook Lopez.

JR's underlying point is wrong and he's even stupider for saying it to the press.

Using those examples actually support what JR is talking about.

Two of those players are infinitely better than Lin.

And really he isn't a 5 year players...two year were essentially cut from him.

Exactly... it's not about Lin getting his too soon or anything. It's about Lin not being good enough to be paid that much. Would you be fine if JR just came out and said that JR isn't as good as Brook Lopez?

[duetta]

All these guys make Russell Westbrook look like a class act. Remember how he handled that reporter when he was asked about Harden potentially getting a max contract.

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Irwm7o5dRXM[/youtube]

That's absolutely the time-tested, correct approach. Stonewall!

[21shumpst]

Lin not only saved dantonis job for the time being, he gave the knicks season a kick start when the team was in the doldrums

Firing moron Dantoni saved the Knicks season. Not Lin. Knicks went 18-6 with Carmelo playing elite basketball.

If you wanna go that logic then it was Woody who was responsible for their run not Melo. Remember Melo was on the team the whole year. The only thing that changed was Woody. Can't have it both ways.

[Red Vines]

I think JR was wrong to say what he said, Lin's success really didn't happen overnight, you have to look at his entire life and see how hard he's had to work to get to this point. Maybe Lin hasnt been in the league as long but he's put in work.

[Nono]

Frank Isola ‏@FisolaNYDN
J.R. Smith tells http://SI.com that Lin's contract could cause some chemistry issues in the locker room. Got to love J.R.'s honesty

Coming from a guy that took 2.8 when he could get a lot more.. I don't think it'd be much different than any other player getting overpaid, like Fields... Although few have made such bank off so few games.

If you're making Tyson Chandler money a lot is expected of you... And to me, it sounds like a lot of players aren't sold on Lin... It's always "he's a good player" or as Kidd said "has the chance to be consistent" etc etc.. You don't often hear "he's going to be a great" "all star" etc etc.. Then again no one expected him to do what he did...

smh . He isn't making Tyson money. 25m in three years is not Tyson money now is it ?