2017 Nets Offseason Thread III

[JoseRizal]

Irving on his prime? Heck, I'll even trade Russell for him...

[FlipFlopShot]

What we got?
Lin, LeVert, RHJ, picks and cap space. This should get it done.

we dont have enough to get it done unless we want to add our 2020 and 22 picks unprotected.

Our whole team can't get this done, lol.
Our own draft picks? Forget about it.
Nothing to see here guys.

[KlicKlac]

Feels great that marks didn't crack and blow his cards so early with the wrong deals, so now the Nets can still be in the conversation late game in the trades

[Mkdaman1818]

Would Lin, Kilpatrick, Toronto's first get it done?

[Sleepyazn]

i see all these people here willing to throw away stuff got Kyrie. Kyrie the man who never had a 35 win season when he was the main man. Kyrie the dude that has like 20% win rate when Lebron takes a rest. Do you guys really want to go on the Deron WIlliams ride again? Overhyped non winning big name?

[DartboardT]

I think you'll need to add Dloading, Booker, Mozgov and DMC, heh.

What we got?
Lin, LeVert, RHJ, picks and cap space. This should get it done.

[shakendfries]

i see all these people here willing to throw away stuff got Kyrie. Kyrie the man who never had a 35 win season when he was the main man. Kyrie the dude that has like 20% win rate when Lebron takes a rest. Do you guys really want to go on the Deron WIlliams ride again? Overhyped non winning big name?

dumbass, headass, nutass

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but to answer your question, yes.

[Sleepyazn]

i see all these people here willing to throw away stuff got Kyrie. Kyrie the man who never had a 35 win season when he was the main man. Kyrie the dude that has like 20% win rate when Lebron takes a rest. Do you guys really want to go on the Deron WIlliams ride again? Overhyped non winning big name?

dumbass, headass, nutass


but to answer your question, yes.

Hey I could throw a bunch of Derrick Rose highlights from last season and it'll make him appear like a superstar to you right? It seems like this is how your mind works. Highlights=winning. You ignore the entire career of Irving being a loser when he has to be the main man. When he has a ton shooting around him and Kevin Love but can't even go .500 when Lebron sits.


Also think about this, Kyrie wants the ball so badly that he's willing to leave the second best opportunity to win a ring. This dude is so me first that he ain't even willing to share the ball with LEBRON JAMES. Reports already coming out that Kyrie thought about asking out of Cavs in 2016 when they just won. What kind of isoball mentality is that?

[antique0o0]

Is this why The Cavs talked to Rose?

[Mkdaman1818]

John Wall just signed his max extension, so count him out in going to the lakers to form a lebron super team... maybe lebron is scaring all the point guards

Or wall is seeing the window of opportunity in the east now that the cavs are falling apart

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[ChokeFasncists]

Would Lin, Kilpatrick, Toronto's first get it done?

The Cavs are surely looking for more than a possibly one year rental as the main piece.

[Hello Brooklyn]

i see all these people here willing to throw away stuff got Kyrie. Kyrie the man who never had a 35 win season when he was the main man. Kyrie the dude that has like 20% win rate when Lebron takes a rest. Do you guys really want to go on the Deron WIlliams ride again? Overhyped non winning big name?

dumbass, headass, nutass


but to answer your question, yes.

Hey I could throw a bunch of Derrick Rose highlights from last season and it'll make him appear like a superstar to you right? It seems like this is how your mind works. Highlights=winning. You ignore the entire career of Irving being a loser when he has to be the main man. When he has a ton shooting around him and Kevin Love but can't even go .500 when Lebron sits.


Also think about this, Kyrie wants the ball so badly that he's willing to leave the second best opportunity to win a ring. This dude is so me first that he ain't even willing to share the ball with LEBRON JAMES. Reports already coming out that Kyrie thought about asking out of Cavs in 2016 when they just won. What kind of isoball mentality is that?

Thats such a dumb argument. Kyrie's "career" of losing are his first 3 years in the NBA.

He was only 21 years old when LeBron came.

I forgot all the NBA players leading their team to Championships in Year 3. Especially when they are injured.

[Sleepyazn]

dumbass, headass, nutass


but to answer your question, yes.

Hey I could throw a bunch of Derrick Rose highlights from last season and it'll make him appear like a superstar to you right? It seems like this is how your mind works. Highlights=winning. You ignore the entire career of Irving being a loser when he has to be the main man. When he has a ton shooting around him and Kevin Love but can't even go .500 when Lebron sits.


Also think about this, Kyrie wants the ball so badly that he's willing to leave the second best opportunity to win a ring. This dude is so me first that he ain't even willing to share the ball with LEBRON JAMES. Reports already coming out that Kyrie thought about asking out of Cavs in 2016 when they just won. What kind of isoball mentality is that?

Thats such a dumb argument. Kyrie's "career" of losing are his first 3 years in the NBA.

He was only 21 years old when LeBron came.

I forgot all the NBA players leading their team to Championships in Year 3. Especially when they are injured.

Yo where did I say anything about championships, I'm literally asking for .500 ball but Kyrie can't even do that. Kyrie when Lebron doesn't play is 4w-19L.

[NyCeEvO]

i see all these people here willing to throw away stuff got Kyrie. Kyrie the man who never had a 35 win season when he was the main man. Kyrie the dude that has like 20% win rate when Lebron takes a rest. Do you guys really want to go on the Deron WIlliams ride again? Overhyped non winning big name?

dumbass, headass, nutass

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but to answer your question, yes.

Cool it with the personal attacks.

And this goes for everyone. It seems like a lot of posters have quicker triggers these days. There's no need to insult another poster just because they disagree with an opinion that any of us hold.

-NyCe

[NyCeEvO]

Hey I could throw a bunch of Derrick Rose highlights from last season and it'll make him appear like a superstar to you right? It seems like this is how your mind works. Highlights=winning. You ignore the entire career of Irving being a loser when he has to be the main man. When he has a ton shooting around him and Kevin Love but can't even go .500 when Lebron sits.


Also think about this, Kyrie wants the ball so badly that he's willing to leave the second best opportunity to win a ring. This dude is so me first that he ain't even willing to share the ball with LEBRON JAMES. Reports already coming out that Kyrie thought about asking out of Cavs in 2016 when they just won. What kind of isoball mentality is that?

Thats such a dumb argument. Kyrie's "career" of losing are his first 3 years in the NBA.

He was only 21 years old when LeBron came.

I forgot all the NBA players leading their team to Championships in Year 3. Especially when they are injured.

Yo where did I say anything about championships, I'm literally asking for .500 ball but Kyrie can't even do that. Kyrie when Lebron doesn't play is 4w-19L.

I understand your critique but there are only 6 players in the entire league who can lead a team to the playoffs by their lonesome: LBJ, KD, Westbrook, Kawhi, Harden, & Steph. Even Anthony Davis' teams have woefully underachieved. Just because you're not at their level doesn't mean that you aren't a great player.

While hear your complaint about Kyrie's record while LBJ is out, I think it's a bit more complicated than that. LBJ is the core of the offensive system for the Cavs. Expecting the offense to run smoothly without its engine is asking a lot, especially when LBJ's play style doesn't allow for "democratic" sharing of the ball when leading the Cavs offense.

Here is a post I wrote a few months ago on a similar topic:

Kyrie is so criminally underrated and underappreciated. Everyone's still attributing it to the "Lebron factor," implying that any other decent PG in the league would score 38 and 40 points in back to back finals games simply coz he got Lebron as teammate. He utterly outplayed Curry, outscoring him 40 to 14, and people even barely talk about it. If it was the other way around there probably would be at least 5 threads about it. You'd think that after last year's finals, where Kyrie stood toe-to-toe against the 2x MVP, that people would start giving Irving the recognition he deserves, but the truth is by the time the next season starts, there will yet again be another Kyrie vs Lowry debate instead of comparing him against the likes of Curry, Westbrook or Wall.

The problem is that Kyrie is caught between two sides.

The one side is that he simply doesn't possess the gravity that Curry brings to a team on a nightly basis. We all know that from the moment that he crosses half court, he is a threat to bomb from deep. It's the reason why CLE traps him so high, hedges so hard on PnR, and plays physical with him. They are trying to do everything that they can to inhibit the ease with which he can make 3s at an extremely high volume. Kyrie is good but he doesn't have the type of draw nor the ability to open the floor for others that Steph does.

The other side is actually the more compelling one. There is a large contingent of LBJ supporters that need to prop up the narrative that LeBron has the midas touch; any garbage he plays with turns into gold. And by box score measurements and a surface analysis of the game, it would appear to be true.

However, most people honestly do not understand that it isn't easy being LeBron's teammate, especially one as talented as Kyrie.

There is a sacrifice to one's personal game that you have to make in order to play with him. Yes, you do get the benefit of playing in a near elite offensive system, but it surely isn't a democratic one.

LBJ plays free safety on defense which helps him reach rebounding totals very quickly. He brings the ball up, initiates the offense, beats his man off the dribble, and gives you the ball so that you can shoot a 3. (This obviously racks up the assists.) The only time another player runs sets is when LBJ doesn't feel like doing it. Because of this, he will always have tremendous box score numbers. Simply by the nature of running with LBJ, it would be much harder for anyone to put up great numbers consistently considering that plays aren't designed to be run through them often.

Bosh and Wade underwent the same treatment over time. Bosh warned Love ahead of time, yet Love didn't understand it until he experienced himself.

On one hand, you need to attribute it to LBJ's greatness that he is almost always a mismatch when he has the ball in his hands, and thus you can regularly expect the defense to collapse when he inevitably beats his man off the dribble or in PnR.

At the same time, LeBron's teammates are all marginalized in the sense that by letting LBJ do everything, his teammates can't do all that they may want to do. For some like JR, Shumpert, and Korver, it's great because he enables you to just focus on your strengths. But for guys like Wade, Bosh, Love, and Kyrie, it's very tough because you know that you can do so much more, but you're sort of being forced to primarily become just a shooter. They're not really allowed to showcase their strengths as much as they'd like because it doesn't go with the LBJ system. Thus, they're often critiqued for not flourishing in a role that they were never really designed to play in.

Players who are or could be developed into greater talents are by design reduced to shooters. And shooters know that completely wide open in-game shots are actually not easy to hit, since they usually aren't rhythm shots.

The hardest part of the play, which is making the shot, falls on his teammates. LBJ has some of the best spot up shooters surrounding him but it goes to show that it's very hard to always show up on demand like that, especially when you're not allowed to get into your own rhythm.

LBJ kills two birds with one stone with the system that his teams run. He generates all of the action (hence why we don't often see too many hockey assists from them) and can put up fantastic numbers, but his teammates have to be elite marksmen all of the time which is impossible for any one to do. By nature of LBJ's greatness but also by design of the system, his better teammates (who aren't 3&D players by nature) are essentially setup to always come up short.



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[vincecarter4pres]

dumbass, headass, nutass


but to answer your question, yes.

Hey I could throw a bunch of Derrick Rose highlights from last season and it'll make him appear like a superstar to you right? It seems like this is how your mind works. Highlights=winning. You ignore the entire career of Irving being a loser when he has to be the main man. When he has a ton shooting around him and Kevin Love but can't even go .500 when Lebron sits.


Also think about this, Kyrie wants the ball so badly that he's willing to leave the second best opportunity to win a ring. This dude is so me first that he ain't even willing to share the ball with LEBRON JAMES. Reports already coming out that Kyrie thought about asking out of Cavs in 2016 when they just won. What kind of isoball mentality is that?

Thats such a dumb argument. Kyrie's "career" of losing are his first 3 years in the NBA.

He was only 21 years old when LeBron came.

I forgot all the NBA players leading their team to Championships in Year 3. Especially when they are injured.

Exactly what I was going to say.

[TheBrooklynKidd]

Lin to Denver for Jameer Nelson, Direll Arthur and their 2018 1st top 10 protected.

Then

RHJ, Booker, Whitehead, 2018 Den, 2018 Tor

For Kyrie Irving, JR Smith

Get it done Marks

[Prokorov]

Would Lin, Kilpatrick, Toronto's first get it done?

thats gets you like kylie jenner not kyrie irving

[Prokorov]

i see all these people here willing to throw away stuff got Kyrie. Kyrie the man who never had a 35 win season when he was the main man. Kyrie the dude that has like 20% win rate when Lebron takes a rest. Do you guys really want to go on the Deron WIlliams ride again? Overhyped non winning big name?

you dont win with 1 guy surrounded by lotto talent especially when that 1 guy is 21 years old and battling injuries.

Kyrie just turned 25. he still has room to get even better and the tools to be a top 5 or top 10 player.

[Ror1997]

Would Lin, Kilpatrick, Toronto's first get it done?

thats gets you like kylie jenner not kyrie irving

Look. I would 100% take Kylie Jenner in my bed then Kyrie Irving on my team. 100%.